Why Every Woman Should Carry a Gun

roger wrote:

I'm not going to look at more videos; they just take too long to load.

Some autos, especially those of the blowback design will not reload themselves if held gently/limp wristed. The hand, elbow, and what-have-you adsorb recoil which is needed to cycle the mechanism. I once lent a Walther PPK in the .380 cal to a friend, and advised her to practice. She reported a continuous series of failures. Using the same ammunition, that gun experienced exactly zero failures in my hands.

I suppose I might back off from my support of autos for just this reason. They seem to take a bit more practice, though
I would like to see everyone
with any kind of gun
get some sort of basic training.

That 's what schools r for.
By way of analogy:
my high school wud not grant a diploma
to anyone who cud not swim the width of the pool.

Safety in the water was deemed important.
David

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Here's my take on the gun thing.

Guns don't kill! People kill!

If there were no guns on the planet, the evil bastards would use other means to kill, such as knives, arrows, chemicals, baseball bats and I could go on and on.....

If guns were outlawed and people were forced to turn in their guns, that would leave the psycho bastards as the only ones left with guns and I'm quite sure they would be very happy to know that they won't have to worry about breaking in someones house and being confronted with someone else with a gun.

I wish the world wasn't filled with evil people who think nothing of taking a human life, but it is and I think everyone should have the right to protect themselves and their families.

I also think everyone allowed a permit for any gun should be required to go through training first.

Putting guns in the hands of people who don't know how to use them, is just plain stupid. A gun is a weapon and people need to know how to handle them, clean them, etc....

I feel very strongly about the training.

I have an FID in the states and I could buy mace and rifles with no training what so ever and I'd like to see that change.

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Teach proficiency n safety
in handling guns in the public schools
right next to arithmetic n fonetic spelling.
David

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I gree with Montana , ownership of the gun should not be an issue and Id resist anyone trying to limit my ownership in any fashion. I am, however, adamant about how certain reasonable rules are failing to be placed in law, such as the recently defeated law in Pa where the gun owner whose either lost or had a gun stolen MUST report it to the authorities.
This law failed to pass under heavy lobbying by the gun industry and NRA.

NRA is part of a problem. It is a manufacturers lobby , it has no longer identified itself with the hunter/gun owner interests. (It used to be a valid sportsmens org, not a political power broker)

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Montana wrote:

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If there were no guns on the planet, the evil bastards would use other means to kill, such as knives, arrows, chemicals, baseball bats and I could go on and on.....

Thats what I'm talking about.....

Farmerman wrote:

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I am, however, adamant about how certain reasonable rules are failing to be placed in law, such as the recently defeated law in Pa where the gun owner whose either lost or had a gun stolen MUST report it to the authorities.

I have to agree with Farmerman on this one.

That's just damn for stupid for anyone not to report a stolen gun to start with. I would. But then again, I'm not a criminal already in possession of a stolen gun.

My fear would be that it would turn up as evidence used in a homicide and once the serial numbers were run, it would trace back to me.

So, I don't understand this one....at all.

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About the PA law - it would make it a crime to not report a crime, even if you didn't know the crime had been committed. What if you were away on business or vacation and didn't know your house was robbed?

Silly, gun specific law that has nothing to do with gun ownership and all about gun control.

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Intrepid wrote:

An innocent bystander was killed in Toronto this past weekend by a gunman that tried to kill a bouncer in a hotel.

The killer had a handgun permit and was trained in the use of firearms. The poor innocent fella is still dead and the guy with the legal permit and gun training is in jail. Hopefully, he will get life.

Was the guy drinking?

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cjhsa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
An innocent bystander was killed in Toronto this past weekend by a gunman that tried to kill a bouncer in a hotel.

The killer had a handgun permit and was trained in the use of firearms. The poor innocent fella is still dead and the guy with the legal permit and gun training is in jail. Hopefully, he will get life.

Was the guy drinking?

Don't know. Does it matter? Is drinking a defence for murder? Or, the misuse of a firearm?

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cjhsa wrote:

Silly, gun specific law that has nothing to do with gun ownership and all about gun control.

Sorry to quote my own post but I didn't finish. The other issue is that this law would make a victim a criminal due to the criminal actions of another. This model doesn't fit in our system of justice.

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Intrepid wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
An innocent bystander was killed in Toronto this past weekend by a gunman that tried to kill a bouncer in a hotel.

The killer had a handgun permit and was trained in the use of firearms. The poor innocent fella is still dead and the guy with the legal permit and gun training is in jail. Hopefully, he will get life.

Was the guy drinking?

Don't know. Does it matter? Is drinking a defence for murder? Or, the misuse of a firearm?

Obvoiusly you've never taken concealed carry training.

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cjhsa wrote:

About the PA law - it would make it a crime to not report a crime, even if you didn't know the crime had been committed. What if you were away on business or vacation and didn't know your house was robbed?

Silly, gun specific law that has nothing to do with gun ownership and all about gun control.

The weapons should be secure at all times, imho. Also, why not report it upon return if that is the case. Did it say you must report 10 minutes after the theft? Common sense is required here.

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Intrepid wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
About the PA law - it would make it a crime to not report a crime, even if you didn't know the crime had been committed. What if you were away on business or vacation and didn't know your house was robbed?

Silly, gun specific law that has nothing to do with gun ownership and all about gun control.

The weapons should be secure at all times, imho. Also, why not report it upon return if that is the case. Did it say you must report 10 minutes after the theft? Common sense is required here.

Yes common sense and liberty. Please see my previous post. But what good is a secured weapon when you need it?

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Interesting story about a woman and a gun....

http://nwi.com/articles/2008/01/10/news/lake_county/docc6e7d1ca7dcd2fee862573cc00081d1f.txt

No charges in shooting of accused stalker

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BY STEVE ZABROSKI
Times Correspondent | Thursday, January 10, 2008 | 49 comment(s)

HAMMOND | A Hessville woman will not be charged in the shooting death of a man accused of breaking into her home in November and stalking her.

(Listen to the 911 call)

http://www.nwi.com/extras/audio/011008_911audio.mp3

Lake County Prosecutor Bernard Carter said on Wednesday he was turning down any charges against the woman in the death of Ryan Lee Bergner, 41, considering her actions to be in self-defense and defense of property.

The Nov. 12 shooting of Bergner as he cornered the 51-year-old woman in an upstairs bedroom closet capped a month of escalating terror -- chronicled in a series of police reports filed by the woman -- which included break-ins, vandalism and assaults in her workplace.

They had briefly dated over the summer, but Bergner couldn't accept that she didn't want to be his girlfriend, and wouldn't take "no" for an answer, the woman said.

That fatal Monday night, she was watching television at 10:30 p.m. when she heard a window breaking, and called 911.

An audio recording of her conversation with the emergency dispatcher, from the initial break-in to her escape from the dying Bergner six minutes later, was released by Hammond police on Wednesday.

"I'm so scared," the woman said to the 911 operator, who told her to lock herself in a bedroom until police arrived.

Bergner had already broken into her house two days earlier, she reported to police, destroying a clock-radio and stealing several of her undergarments.

"I heard him turn a light on, a hallway light," she told the dispatcher as she hid in a closet, armed with a pistol a friend had given her for protection.

"What are you doing?" she can be heard asking over the sound of her bedroom door being kicked in. "Stop it! Please stop it! Just stop it!"

Gunshots can clearly be heard on the recording. She later said Bergner was on top of her in the closet, his hands around her throat, choking her.

"What are you trying to do, kill me?" the mortally wounded Bergner asked.

"Are you trying to kill me?"

Police found her in her front yard when they arrived moments later, and found Bergner, wearing black leather gloves and a brown leather jacket, lying partially in the bedroom closet with three bullet wounds to his abdomen, a 9 mm pistol on the bed nearby.

"That tape is absolutely chilling," said Hammond Police Chief Brian Miller, who worked for years as a detective with the department's sex crimes division.

Miller said he is regularly asked to speak at meetings of women's organizations and support groups for victims of domestic violence, and in the future will be taking the recording along with him as an example of what can happen.

"I didn't want it to turn out like this," the woman told The Times the day after the shooting, though she declined to comment for the record on Wednesday's decision by the prosecutor's office.

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farmerman wrote:

I gree with Montana , ownership of the gun should not be an issue and Id resist anyone trying to limit my ownership in any fashion. I am, however, adamant about how certain reasonable rules are failing to be placed in law, such as the recently defeated law in Pa where the gun owner whose either lost or had a gun stolen MUST report it to the authorities.
This law failed to pass under heavy lobbying by the gun industry and NRA.

NRA is part of a problem. It is a manufacturers lobby , it has no longer identified itself with the hunter/gun owner interests. (It used to be a valid sportsmens org, not a political power broker)

Yeah, I can't understand that either. Everyone should have to report a missing gun.

I'm with MMS in thinking you're covering your own ass by doing so, in case the gun is used in a crime, tracing it back to you.

If I had a gun that was missing, I'd be at the RCMP ASAP! I ain't takin the fall for what someone else may do with it.

That needs to change, me thinks.

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cjSorry to quote my own post but I didn't finish. The other issue is that this law would make a victim a criminal due to the criminal actions of another. This model doesn't fit in our system of justice.

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If you have your car stolen and only realize it a month later, do you still not report it? Why are guns any different? A car and a gun are bothe dangerous and can be used in the commission of crimes. One you have no problem with but the other you do? ARe you in the pocket of the NRA? (You dont have to answer I can guess)..The Pa Police were unanimous in favor of the reporting of a lost or stolen gun . Only the NRA and its bootlickers were marching in step.

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gunga, thank god she had the gun and it's monster like this that we need protection from.

My ex attacked me one day. I got away and ran to a neighbours house to call the police. My son was 18 months old and napping upstairs in his crib.
When the police arrived, my ex ran upstairs with a steak knife and a can of mace and he threatened to kill our son if the cops came any closer.
One cop had to climb a ladder and through a second story window to get behind my ex.
He tackled my ex from behind in a way so that they would all fall backwards (baby and all).
My ex was arrested and I was given an emergency restraining order.

Just a few hours later, my ex was released on bail, where he showed up at my door, bare foot, wanting his shoes.

I had a baseball bat in my hands and told him I'd kill him if he tried to get in, so he took off. He was sober by this point (was always drunk when he got crazy), so I knew he wouldn't do anything, but I was still shaking like a leaf from what happened the night before.

Obviously, the restraining order wasn't worth the paper it was written on and we certainly can't depent on the police to keep us safe.

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That's right Farmer. I would report a car stolen for that reason as well. Anyone who steals a car could put you in the same position as someone who steals a gun.

If they run someone down with your car (no witnesses), the car leads police back to the owner of the car, who could very well be charge for murder.

Not a chance I'd want to take.

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You seem to fully grasp at least the one major reason for our 2'nd amendment...

There are a couple of other rationales for the law, one at least even more critical than the question of protecting yourself from criminals and lunatics.

Having a government go crazy is substantially worse than having an ex husband or other lunatic go crazy. Governments are much better organized and armed and they can kill much more efficiently than ex husbands and lunatics can. The most major reason for the 2'nd amendment was to provide the people with a final bulwark against the possibility of government going out of control.

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I never thought of the goverment turning on the people, but it wouldn't surprise me. They can be scary too.

It's the serial killers that I'm most concerned about. They have no motive other than to rape/kill and their victims are often women who live alone.

Either way, I would feel much more secure knowing I had a sufficient means of defense.

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You guys are missing the point. You would report the stolen vehicle because A. It's no longer sitting in the driveway. B. You really need it to get to work. C. It's probably your largest investment aside from your home.

You don't report it because D. It's a crime not to report it.

Follow? The NRA is right on here.

Imagine another scenario. Someone breaks into your home and into your "secured" weapons - maybe in a safe. They leave no trace. It's January. You don't carry and don't hunt again until the fall. Come October you open up the gun safe and - holy ****!

In the meantime your guns have been used to commit a crime. Under that law you would be a criminal for failure to report the loss. Sure it's an extreme example, but certainly possible.

That law punishes legal owners for the actions of criminals. That's why I and the NRA feel it should be shot down.

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