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The Failed Presidency.

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:31 pm
My gosh. I return to find that my post was taken seriously. Actually, I was just responding to timber's refrain of Democrat doom.

But I think it is quite arguable that there is a significant portion of the Republican party who actually would say 'liberalism is unamerican'; eg., Bill Bennett, Roberf Bork, George Bush, the entire crowd that worked to remove Clinton, etc. etc. And if Democrats espouse 'liberalism', then it follows that they ought not to be in power, for the good of America.

So perhaps, to those folks, the range of acceptable American political voice might not be terribly wide. We note Scrat's description above of folks here (heard before from others too) as radical leftists. The Weathermen and any remaining Leninists fit that description.

But that has been part of the game going on...redefining terms, suggesting that 'liberal' means something akin to 'commie atheist'.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:39 pm
Speaking of failed presidencies and Ronald Reagan, an article in the NYTimes today followed by the top of the hour news on the radio make mah ol' heart sing, to wit:

CBS will not run a miniseries on the Reagans which is "unflattering," having been pressured by Republicans to sit on it. It's "unflattering," but you can bet yer ol' dissenting ass that if it had been untrue and therefore actionable, the Repubniks would have let it run and then had a ball suing CBS. So (as many of us knew) the "real" Reagans were finally being outed and the Republicans...??? Well, fellow Communists, if the Republican National Party feel they have to put this show out of its misery, it can only be that they are feeling insecure.

This is good. This is a turning point. Nancy Reagan's nastiness eating at them from within and Ron turns out to be an amiable buffoon. The irony is pretty delicious.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:49 pm
"A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
""We will win the war on terror. There is no doubt in my mind." Shrubby
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:53 pm
Oh, it wasn't "Put out of its misery". In fact, it may have gone on to greener pastures. When Showtime airs it, there's going to be a lot of curious folks eager to see it. If it turns out to not be a bomb, it'll run a few times and then show up on video. Of course, if its a bomb, it all becomes moot ... except for the producers of the piece.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:58 pm
Ah so, Timber! I look forward to seeing it on Showtime (lie! I'll avoid it like I avoid all miniseries!). When I heard the news, Showtime was iffy.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 09:26 pm
The writers admitted that they inserted untruth's about the Reagan's. I think they might have gotten less heat by billing it as a parody, but with Ron being in such bad health the timing is not considered prudent.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 09:30 pm
Ron wouldn't know either way, hasn't since about '78 or so Cool
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 11:32 pm
Quote:


Here's from Marist's own site:
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MINDS MADE UP?
38% of registered voters definitely plan to vote to re-elect President Bush in 2004 and 44% definitely plan to vote against him. The remaining 18% are not committed either way.

POTENTIAL DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGERS.
Yet, when matched against the leading Democratic challengers, President Bush outpaces his rivals with margins that range from 5% to 19%. Latest entrant retired General Wesley Clark trails President Bush by the widest margin among these Democrats.

You will notice that it does not seem possible to reconcile the results reported under "Minds Made Up" with those reported under "Potential Democratic Challengers". Citing either result without noting the other is to misrepresent the polls findings.

I was shocked to see that the poll found that 50% of people disapprove of the President's handling of the economy at a time when we just posted the largest growth numbers since 1984. Perhaps there is no pleasing some people. Or perhaps we should wait and see what they think in another couple of months.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 12:08 am
What some people think.
"Or perhaps we should wait and see what they think in another couple of months."

There it is. Some people don't think;they merely react.

In a media saturated culture most people don't read about issues. They get glimpses of images by which they react to. Such it is in this culture of media sound bites,image and fluff. We live in a Plutocracy where the mainstream media floats what is passed off as thought.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 12:46 am
AP: GOP sweeps both Governorships

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GOP Lobbyist Barbour Wins Governor's Race

By ROBERT TANNER, AP National Writer

Washington lobbyist Haley Barbour unseated Mississippi Democratic Gov. Ronnie Musgrove as the GOP swept both governors' races at stake Tuesday and consolidated party gains in the South. Rep. Ernie Fletcher decisively won in Kentucky, ousting Democrats from power after 32 years.

With 84 percent of precincts reporting, Barbour got 53 percent, or 377,508 votes, to Musgrove's 45 percent, or 322,028 votes. Fletcher defeated state Attorney General Ben Chandler, polling 55 percent, or 593,508 votes, to the Democrat's 45 percent, or 484,938 votes.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 06:41 am
Check, timber.

Here in Deep-in-the-Hearta, we're celebrating while the Repubs lick their wounds:


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Houston mayoral candidate Bill White surged into the lead early today and will face former City Councilman Orlando Sanchez in the December runoff, handing state Rep. Sylvester Turner his second defeat in his quest for the office.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting, White had 38 percent of the vote to Sanchez's 33 percent and Turner's 29 percent.

"He came from basically unknown against two people who have run for office many, many times," (campaign manager Michael--no, not that one--) Moore said, attributing White's success to seeking "support in every single neighborhood of this city."

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Support for White, a former Texas Democratic Party chairman, included Anglos, Hispanics, African-Americans, Republicans and Democrats.

Sanchez, was the presumed front-runner at the outset of the race. But polls showed his support slipping, with significant chunks of self-identified Republicans and Hispanics turning to White.

As Sanchez dropped in the polls, he launched an increasingly nasty attack against White. He called him a liberal -- considered a dirty word among some of the GOP voters Sanchez was struggling to hold onto; accused him of trying to block U.S. troops from voting; and linked him to unpopular Mayor Lee Brown, from whom all three candidates worked to distance themselves during the race.

Some Republicans overlooked Harris County Republican Party charges that White is a "liberal Democrat" and last-minute recorded phone messages from popular GOP President Bush in favor of Sanchez. Exit polling showed that 27 percent of self-identified Republican voters said they supported White. Fifty-eight percent of Republicans voted for Sanchez, a Republican, and 8 percent for Turner, a Democrat.


So not only did Bush toadie Sanchez get whipped a second time, but Tom DeLay also got a rare spanking:

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By a narrow margin, voters resisted a multimillion-dollar campaign to reject rail expansion and approved Metro's ambitious $7.5 billion regional transit plan.

With all precincts reporting, Metropolitan Transit Authority's proposition was passing 51 percent to 49 percent.

The next step for Metro is to obtain federal matching funds. Otherwise it won't be able to afford to build the rail lines. U.S. Rep. John Culberson and fellow rail critic House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land, vowed during the campaign to fight for federal dollars on behalf of Metro if voters endorsed the plan.


Emphasis in the quotations mine; links from the Houston Chronicle.

No national trends or mandates from last night.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 06:52 am
Yo, PDiddie. I like White very much. I see him as a potential Lanier -esque figure. He will have to try to do more with less money than Lanier did, but he should pull it off.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 07:22 am
White will sweep Sanchez in the runoff next month with the support of the Dems who voted for Turner. Game over already (and watch the Repubs pour more money down the drain trying to smear White over something, anything).

The rail initiative was actually the sweetest, ed.

All those negative ads that filled the airwaves for the past week? Millions of Republican dollars--authorized to be spent by Pestilence DeLay-- wasted.

And what will Houston get? 72 miles of light rail, stretching to both airports from downtown and out the Katy to Hwy 6. This city will change dramatically--just in time for your grandchildren to enjoy it. :wink:
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 08:41 am
Of course, I haven't seen the Texas ads, but I'd heard of them, and all in all I'm actually glad negative ads backfired. The same sort of thing is going on in Louisiana's Blanco-Jindal match, which goes to the polls the 15th. The nasty back-and-forth has become an issue in itself. Nationally, last night's local results were mixed, but the GOP picked up two significant Governorships. In Kentucky, Fletcher reversed 3 decades of Democrat rule, and in Mississippi, Barbour's victory is a clear boost for Bush.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 08:44 am
It's interesting that where the Repubs invested money (and how!!) -- in Mississippi and Kentucky -- they won but where they invested dirty tricks (Philly) it backfired. Remove the ability of the wealthy to corrupt campaigns with $$$ and you start to get democracy back. So campaign finance continues to be top of my list.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 09:03 am
And I be more likely to call those two insignificant statehouses, timber, without intending to insult any of the good folk of Kentucky or Mississippi.

(Because if KY and MS aren't insignificant, then who is?) :wink:

Haley Barbour? What a wad.

Tart: the GOP invested major moolah in the mayoral campaign and the rail initiative here and lost.

George W. Bush and Tom DeLay got punked in their own backyard. That's significant.

Watch carefully the shenanigans in the Bayou State.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 09:09 am
Damn, PDiddie, I had KTRH on last night as I was falling asleep and... fell asleep! Glad to hear it. I'm like Houston more and more...

As for Mississippi, one of the first NAFTA nasties occurred there -- where corporations were allowed by NAFTA to override local environmental laws very easily. I'd like to bookmark Miss, keep an eye on Barbour + Bush + corporate power...
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 09:51 am
PDiddie wrote:
And I be more likely to call those two insignificant statehouses, timber, without intending to insult any of the good folk of Kentucky or Mississippi.

Of course if we won them, then you never really wanted them anyway, right? Cool
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 10:54 am
Lets see here ... Houston population roughly 2 million, combined populations of Mississippi and Kentucky, roughly 7 million. While a major-metro mayorality is an influential position, a governorship, in the long run, is a bit more significant.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 03:58 pm
You must've forgotten (or conveniently overlooked) Philadelphia, as well as the sweeps by the Dems in both houses of the New Jersey statehouse:

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Democrats won full control of the New Jersey Legislature yesterday for the first time since 1991, bucking 48 years of election history and a Republican campaign that tried to capitalize on an unpopular Democratic governor.

Democrats picked up at least six seats in the Assembly in yesterday's elections to build a 47-33 advantage, and they gained at least one seat in the Senate to take the majority after two years of sharing power in the upper house.

In the state's most closely watched race, Democrat Ellen Karcher toppled Senate Co-President John Bennett, ending the 24-year Statehouse career of New Jersey's top Republican after relentlessly questioning his ethics.


We won't even count San Francisco. Even in the wake of the Gropenator, some places are still no contest. Cool

What's the population tally up to now? :wink:

Repeating: you starboard-siders just keep on believing yours is the only opinion that matters.

It is exactly that detached, elitist, self-righteous existence that is going to do you in.
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