The Failed Presidency.

timberlandko wrote:

It is difficult, from the traditional conservative perspective, to accept or condone the growth of government Bush the Younger has fostered ... how Democratic of him. IMO, while in some part and paticular justified, even prudent, his overall spending record displays a profligacy that is untoward to say the least, though there blame must be shared with the legislators who pass, and pad, the proposed legislation. Not to single out this administration by any means; pork is the staple diet of those within the confines of The Beltway.

Of course. And I'm not writing that I don't understand it, just that I am not pleased. When Bush was elected, I saw an opportunity for Republicans to rally and work towards implementing a real, concrete conservative platform--reduce taxes and government, expand freedom and opportunity, reinstate the Constitution as the blueprint of our system of government--let Americans live with the results and then decide whether they are better or worse off than before. That's how you lead. That's how leaders govern. A number of people here in A2K have made a mantra of calling me a "Bushie", but the reality is that Bush to me has never been more than a better alternative to anything the liberals have to offer.

One could rewrite the quotation from my signature, below, thusly:

"Gore would have run towards socialism while Bush is content to walk there." Either way you'll find me kicking and screaming and pulling in the other direction, but at least with Bush I'm not being dragged quite so quickly. :wink:

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I gotta say I find it amusing that some ascribe to me a love of Bush (something I've clearly not evidenced, IMO) merely because I hold to ridicule the preposterous, confiscatory, unconstitutional notions of governance espoused by those of the leftist persuasion. Fortunately for those of that leaning, I'm a Responsible gun owner Twisted Evil

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What do you propose to do about the irresponsible gun owners, we seem to have a number of them around here (Connecticut).

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I propose we dress them in deerskin clothing and release them on Ted Nugent's hunting ranch in Michigan.

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Not bad. If it doesn't work, dress 'em up as cows.

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A couple years ago near here, a fellow, a city-dweller on his first hunt, shot a domesticated llama he had mistaken for any other 8-foot tall, black-and-white deer. Some local dairymen, in whimsy I'm sure, emblazon in International Orange spraypaint, the word "COW" on the flanks of their stock. Dunno if it does any good.

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Well, at least llamas are tasty. Mean critters too.

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Yeah, they do cook up good. The only saving grace is that the inappropriately deceased llama indeed was a meat critter, not a pet.

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timberlandko wrote:

Lets look at just one of the Opposition allegations concerning Bush the Younger: The claim he is "The Dumbest President Ever". That claim does not square well with the facts. Though apparently no hard IQ number for him is available on the 'net, it is a simple matter to track down his SAT score, which was 1206, placing him in the 84th percentile of all college aspirants. That he placed in the top 16% clearly puts him at the upper end of the category. While not designed as an IQ test, there is a strong corrolary between SAT scores and IQ scores; statistically, the 84th percentile corresponds to an IQ of 115 or higher.

Reference 1 Reference 2 Reference 3

Oh, and knock off the ass grabbin' again, already.

Could be that he scored that high honestly -- or it could be that there is another explanation.

I would prefer not to use test scores to judge Bush's intelligence, unless I personally monitored him taking the test. I prefer to listen to what the guy has to say -- and use what he says to judge whether or not he is intelligent.

Here are a few examples:

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"-Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"The important question is, How many hands have I shaked?"-Answering a question about why he hasn't spent more time in New Hampshire, in the New York Times, Oct. 23, 1999

"Will the highways on the Internet become more few?"-Concord, N.H., Jan. 29, 2000

"That's a chapter, the last chapter of the 20th, 20th, the 21st century that most of us would rather forget. The last chapter of the 20th century. This is the first chapter of the 21st century. "
Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000

"We must all hear the universal call to like your neighbor like you like to be liked yourself."

"I understand small business growth. I was one."
New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

"States should have the right to enact reasonable laws and restrictions particularly to end the inhumane practice of ending a life that otherwise could live."
Cleveland, June 29, 2000

"I think we agree, the past is over."
On his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000

"I don't have to accept their tenants. I was trying to convince those college students to accept my tenants. And I reject any labeling me because I happened to go to the university."
Today, Feb. 23, 2000

"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have, he can't have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."
To reporters in Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000

"How do you know if you don't measure if you have a system that simply suckles kids through?"
Explaining the need for educational accountability in Beaufort, S.C., Feb. 16, 2000

"I do not agree with this notion that somehow if I go to try to attract votes and to lead people toward a better tomorrow somehow I get subscribed to some, some doctrine gets subscribed to me."
Meet The Press, Feb. 13, 2000

"It was just inebriating what Midland was all about then."
From a 1994 interview, as quoted in First Son, by Bill Minutaglio

"Keep good relations with the Grecians."
Quoted in the Economist, June 12, 1999

"This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You gotta preserve." -George W. Bush, speaking during "Perseverance Month" at Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, New Hampshire, Jan. 28, 2000

"Laura and I really don't realize how bright our children is sometimes until we get an objective analysis." -George W. Bush, CNBC, April 15, 2000

I've got dozens more, Timber, but I'll spare you for now.

The man is a moron.

I know I'm an agnotic, but I gota tell ya...

...there is absolutely no way this guy ever legitimately scored in the 84th percentile on an intelligence test of any kind any time in his life.

I doubt I will convince you -- but think about it. How could a guy score that high in comparative intelligence and say any of these things?

He is a moron.

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I dunno, Frank ... he's a powerful, successful moron if so, rather an oxymoron, if ya ask me. He does provide quotes on the order of the emminently memorable spoutings of the late Richard J. Daley, though, don't he? God, I love my Little Green Book ... "The poloice are here to preserve disorder, not create disorder" ahhhh, ya gotta love that sort of loquatiousness in a politician, whatever his stripe.

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timberlandko wrote:

I dunno, Frank ... he's a powerful, successful moron if so...

Yes, he is, Timber. He is indeed. Both a moron and a powerful, successful one at that.

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...rather an oxymoron, if ya ask me.

Nah, not at all. A bit baffling perhaps -- unless you take into consideration his connections.

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He does provide quotes on the order of the emminently memorable spoutings of the late Richard J. Daley, though, don't he? God, I love my Little Green Book ... "The poloice are here to preserve disorder, not create disorder" ahhhh, ya gotta love that sort of loquatiousness in a politician, whatever his stripe.

Another very powerful, successful moron.

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Baffling pretty much says it, Frank. One of life's mysteries, fer sure.

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timberlandko wrote:

I dunno, Frank ... he's a powerful, successful moron if so, rather an oxymoron, if ya ask me. He does provide quotes on the order of the emminently memorable spoutings of the late Richard J. Daley, though, don't he? God, I love my Little Green Book ... "The poloice are here to preserve disorder, not create disorder" ahhhh, ya gotta love that sort of loquatiousness in a politician, whatever his stripe.

Other Richard J. Daley quotations:

"I resent insinuendoes."

"We shall reach greater and greater platitudes of achievement."

On introducing Carl Sandburg: "We are proud to have with us the poet lariat of Chicago."

"They have vilified me, they have crucified me; yes, they have even criticized me."

"Robert's Rules of Order is the greatest book ever written."

"Look at our Lord's disciples. One denied Him; one doubted Him; one betrayed Him. If our Lord couldn't have perfection, how are you going to have it in city government?"

Daley was no Einstein, that's for sure, and he could mangle the English language into such an unrecognizable pulp that even Yogi Berra would be left scratching his head in bewilderment. But he was without question a political genius.

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AFLAC!

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joefromchicago wrote:

timberlandko wrote:
I dunno, Frank ... he's a powerful, successful moron if so, rather an oxymoron, if ya ask me. He does provide quotes on the order of the emminently memorable spoutings of the late Richard J. Daley, though, don't he? God, I love my Little Green Book ... "The poloice are here to preserve disorder, not create disorder" ahhhh, ya gotta love that sort of loquatiousness in a politician, whatever his stripe.

Other Richard J. Daley quotations:

"I resent insinuendoes."

"We shall reach greater and greater platitudes of achievement."

On introducing Carl Sandburg: "We are proud to have with us the poet lariat of Chicago."

"They have vilified me, they have crucified me; yes, they have even criticized me."

"Robert's Rules of Order is the greatest book ever written."

"Look at our Lord's disciples. One denied Him; one doubted Him; one betrayed Him. If our Lord couldn't have perfection, how are you going to have it in city government?"

Daley was no Einstein, that's for sure, and he could mangle the English language into such an unrecognizable pulp that even Yogi Berra would be left scratching his head in bewilderment. But he was without question a political genius.

Daley was a crook -- a charlatan -- and an elected leader who was out of control. He thought his decisions were sacrosanct -- and arbitrarily decided what could and could not be in Chicago.

He was a very, very, very dangerous moron.

Ahhh...so is Dubya.

Thanks for making the comparison.

I truly would have thought you would avoid that kind of thing -- but apparently you are a fair man.

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Fairness calls for recognition where it is due ... Daley , Bush, Mao ... all had their successesses, and all have had their impact ... much which yet is ongoing, not fully realized, and likely of ususpected, unintended, nature.

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Part of an interview with George and Laura Bush, conducted by Peggy Noonan, which appears in the current print edition of Ladies Home Journal:

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Peggy Noonan (the interviewer): You were separated on September 11th. What was it like when you saw each other again?

Laura Bush: Well, we just hugged. I think there was a certain amount of security in being with each other than being apart.

George W. Bush: But the day ended on a relatively humorous note. The agents said, "you'll be sleeping downstairs. Washington's still a dangerous place." And I said no, I can't sleep down there, the bed didn't look comfortable. I was really tired, Laura was tired, we like our own bed. We like our own routine. You know, kind of a nester. I knew I had to deal with the issue the next day and provide strength and comfort to the country, and so I needed rest in order to be mentally prepared. So I told the agent we're going upstairs, and he reluctantly said okay. Laura wears contacts, and she was sound asleep. Barney was there. And the agent comes running up and says, "We're under attack. We need you downstairs," and so there we go. I'm in my running shorts and my T-shirt, and I'm barefooted. Got the dog in one hand, Laura had a cat, I'm holding Laura --

Laura Bush: I don't have my contacts in, and I'm in my fuzzy house slippers --

George W. Bush: And this guy's out of breath, and we're heading straight down to the basement because there's an incoming unidentified airplane, which is coming toward the White House. Then the guy says it's a friendly airplane. And we hustle all the way back up stairs and go to bed.

Mrs. Bush: [LAUGHS] And we just lay there thinking about the way we must have looked.

Peggy Noonan (interviewer): So the day starts in tragedy and ends in Marx Brothers.

George W. Bush: That's right--we got a laugh out of it.

The important thing is, you know, that the day ended on a happy note. Evil or Very Mad

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He hit the trifecta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On occasions like those (I mean it -- it's one of my hugest moral failings) I'm always most concerned about the dogs and cats (and colts etc.). Whatsa coupla brainless humans, after all, in the great scheme...!

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When I asked Diddie whether he knew what the Harvard MBA program was like, he did not answer. I can only assume he did not know.

However, despite my partial description of the program which George W. Bush successfully completed(lest you think that Harvard is easy or corruptble, you are reminded that Ted Kennedy was summarily expelled for cheating on a Spanish Test), I find that some posters, giving no evidence at all, have dubbed president Bush a "moron".

I can understand partisanship but the designation "moron" for President Bush simply does not square with any empirical evidence.

FrankAPisa may, of course, go on believing that President Bush is a moron. If it makes Frank APisa feel better, it is all to his benefit, however, empirical evidence shows that Frank A Pisa and any others who would insist that President Bush is a moron are egregiously mistaken.

Evidence?

Bush scored a 1206 on his SAT test.

That correlates with an IQ of around 115-120.

A Moron is defined as one who has an IQ of 50-69.

I can, of course, be persuaded by documented numbers i may not be aware of but, in the absence of those numbers, I must regretfully indicate that the appelation Moron, as applied to George W. Bush, appears to be an outgrowth of sophomoric nonsense.

Evidence is needed when names are given, of course.

Some on the right have taken to calling former President Clinton a Rapist based on his alleged rape of one Juanita Broadderick more than two decades ago.

There is no empirical evidence to prove that Clinton was indeed a rapist and that charge is as ludicrous as the moron charge for Bush.

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