flaja wrote:Foofie wrote:I said:
"I've never met anyone with German and British ancestry that are Protestant."
Now, how does that "give the impression that no Protestant has ever had both German and British ancestry," as you say above?
This is a logical conclusion to make considering the drift of this thread and your apparent ignorance of the history of German-Americans. You said that you've never met a Protestant with British and German ancestry- implying that you don't think such people don't exist. But even a cursory knowledge of history would demonstrate how wrong you are.
Quote:I only stated what my limited experience is, since in my neck of the woods there are very few people who are either British, German or a combination.
You must not live in America then. One of the Wikipedia articles I cited earlier pointed out that German American live in every county in the U.S. If you live anywhere in the U.S. it is highly unlikely that you haven't encountered someone of German, British or German-British descent.
Quote:I'm also wondering who, other than Jews, claim to be descended from the Hebrews??? I thought only Jews claim descent from the Hebrews?
I didn't say anything about who is claiming what. One of Abraham's ancestors was a man named Eber and historians speculate that this is where the term Hebrew comes from. If this is true, then the children of Eber would have all been Hebrews, but they wouldn't all have been ancestors of Abraham and thus were not all ancestors of the Israelites/Jews. Thus you have Hebrews who are not Israelites or Jews.
Quote:I don't give much veracity to biblical history, as far as who descended from who. I only know that Jews celebrate Passover every year, since the Exodus story from Egypt is their story. It's not the story of Protestants who seem to have adopted these stories?
Protestants accept Jesus Christ as their Passover Lamb. Through His sacrifice on the cross and subsequent resurrection Christ paid the penalty for sin for anyone who accepts Him as their Savior. Thus, Passover does have a place in Protestant theology and custom.
Quote:At that time they (Jews) looked quite Egyptian.
Your documentation for this is what?
Furthermore, if the Hebrews who lived in Egypt looked like Egyptians, how did the Egyptians know which people they could enslave because they were Hebrews?
I don't imply anything; I'm very literal: I never met anyone of German and British mixed ancestry, and I don't know everyone in my city. And, I live in an ethnic city; if there are individuals of British or German descent, or any combination thereof, I avoid them, and they avoid me.
And Hebrew comes from a word, hapiru, in some ancient language that meant something like "outcasts," since the early Hebrews were a loose amalgam of wandering herders that only came to a city's wall when there was a drought. So, they were pretty much not appreciated for only coming to a city when they needed water. Regardless, by coming up with the one god concept (not necessarily the first to do so), they morphed into the eventual Jewish faith. It didn't happen overnight. And you didn't answer the question as to who else with mideast heritage claims Hebrew descent, other than today's Jews? No one I believe.
Yes, I know the Last Supper at Passover is part of the Christian theology; however, the Exodus happened way before that, and the Exodus was a Jewish thing. Please don't turn Passover into a Christian holiday. The Last Supper is what Christians remember, not the Exodus. And, if they do commemorate the Exodus, it's as interested parties, not descendants of those that schlepped behind Moses.
And the Egyptians knew who were Jews to be enslaved, since Egyptians dressed differently than those ragtag Jewish/Hebrews. Didn't you see the Ten Commandments movie?
I think this thread has wandered far from the original question about victory in Iraq.
why would "the Left" have claims about Egyptian Pharaohs? That's a subject for historians, not for "the Left" or "the Right". This may be shocking to you, but not everything on this planet is divided into left and right, conservative and liberal or whatever black and white labels you want to use.