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foofie wrote:

I'll bet I've met more Jewish people than you.

bizarre

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And now for something completely different...than demographics:

Victory in Iraq

An Iraq that is no more subject to politically induced violence than countries like England, Spain, Israel, Egypt, Indonesia etc

An Iraq that is a generally reliable international ally of America

An Iraq that is not a safe-haven for terrorists.

And the most difficult achievement:

An Iraq that provides people in the region with the example of an alternative to despotic or theocratic rule.

All of this is achievable.

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Re: Question for the left and right:

flaja wrote:

Who in Hell are you to tell me or anyone else what we may and may not accept as victory in Iraq?

My name is OZYMANDIAS, King of Kings,
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

flaja wrote:

No matter what GWB or conservatives say is victory, liberal idiots like you will always find some way to say that no victory was attained.

In your haste, you typed "liberal idiots" when you meant "realists."

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

there is no victory.

there was never victory or any chance of it.

I dissent from that, Bear.
We went there to take out Saddam.

He is now dead n rotted.
Our victory was complete when we caught Saddam.

Anything that happened after we captured Saddam
is alien to the reason that we went there.

David

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dyslexia wrote:

foofie wrote:
I'll bet I've met more Jewish people than you.
bizarre

Are there any Protestants, Catholics, or Jews in Iraq? When they can live there peacefully, that will be victory.

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Foofie wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
foofie wrote:
I'll bet I've met more Jewish people than you.
bizarre

Are there any Protestants, Catholics, or Jews in Iraq? When they can live there peacefully, that will be victory.[/color]

not to be picking nits but please connect the above statements for me.

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dyslexia wrote:

Foofie wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
foofie wrote:
I'll bet I've met more Jewish people than you.
bizarre

Are there any Protestants, Catholics, or Jews in Iraq? When they can live there peacefully, that will be victory.[/color]
not to be picking nits but please connect the above statements for me.

No connection, unless you like Monty Python.

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Foofie wrote:

No, Passover is a Jewish thing.

Passover does play a role in Christian theology. Get over it.

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

An Iraq that is no more subject to politically induced violence than countries like England, Spain, Israel, Egypt, Indonesia etc

Israel is subjected to routine terrorist attacks for political reasons- as Egypt and Indonesia are as well and England used to be (courtesy of the IRA). I would hope for something better than this.

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An Iraq that is a generally reliable international ally of America

Throughout history the only generally reliable international allies the U.S. has had have been the U.K. and Israel. As long as Iraq is an Islamic country it will not be a reliable ally for the U.S.

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An Iraq that is not a safe-haven for terrorists.

Then what do we do about Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Iran?

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An Iraq that provides people in the region with the example of an alternative to despotic or theocratic rule.

Correct me if I'm wrong: Isn't Iraq an Islamic country and aren't Islamic countries known for their intolerance of Jews and Christians? By definition an Islamic country cannot be a truly democratic country.

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

And now for something completely different...than demographics:

Victory in Iraq

An Iraq that is no more subject to politically induced violence
than countries like England, Spain, Israel, Egypt, Indonesia etc

An Iraq that is a generally reliable international ally of America

An Iraq that is not a safe-haven for terrorists.

And the most difficult achievement:

An Iraq that provides people in the region with the example of an alternative to despotic or theocratic rule.

All of this is achievable.

W thinx so.

I don 't believe that its worth the trouble,
nor the expense.

David

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
And now for something completely different...than demographics:

Victory in Iraq

An Iraq that is no more subject to politically induced violence
than countries like England, Spain, Israel, Egypt, Indonesia etc

An Iraq that is a generally reliable international ally of America

An Iraq that is not a safe-haven for terrorists.

And the most difficult achievement:

An Iraq that provides people in the region with the example of an alternative to despotic or theocratic rule.

All of this is achievable.

W thinx so.

I don 't believe that its worth the trouble,
nor the expense.

David

Yes and no. I thoroughly believe that we could not continue with even the slightest possibility that Hussein had WMD. In a post-911 world we could not run the risk that may have had WMD and thus may have put them into the hands of terrorists. His However, I do not support our ongoing nation-building activities in Iraq. Hussein's removal, the verification that he didn't have WMD and the subsequent concentration of terrorists in a single battlefield were all worthwhile outcomes of our effort in Iraq.

But, even if Iraq is never stabilized, Iraq will never been a friend to the U.S. Since the days of the Barbary Pirates the Islamic world has been hostile to the U.S. Our only options are to either totally annihilate the Islamic world or simply institute a policy of neutralizing the most obvious threat of the day and then move on to the next one.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
And now for something completely different...than demographics:

Victory in Iraq

An Iraq that is no more subject to politically induced violence
than countries like England, Spain, Israel, Egypt, Indonesia etc

An Iraq that is a generally reliable international ally of America

An Iraq that is not a safe-haven for terrorists.

And the most difficult achievement:

An Iraq that provides people in the region with the example of an alternative to despotic or theocratic rule.

All of this is achievable.

W thinx so.

I don 't believe that its worth the trouble,
nor the expense.

David

OK --- One vote expressed.

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Re: Question for the left and right:

flaja wrote:

What, in your view, would constitute victory in Iraq
and how would you go about achieving it?

Victory was achieved when we overthrew Saddam
and arrested him.

What is going on now is only a giant foreign aid project
by which W seeks to glorify himself in the history books,
as the President who brought peace to the mid-east.

Its not worth it.
Its not our business to bring peace anywhere,
unless we are threatened or menaced ( as we were by Saddam ).

David

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How were you threatened or menaced by Suddam?

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Intrepid wrote:

How were you threatened or menaced by Suddam?

How were you threatened or menaced by Samoza, or Pinochet, to name but two?

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
How were you threatened or menaced by Suddam?

How were you threatened or menaced by Samoza, or Pinochet, to name but two?

Not pertinent to my question to OmSigDavid.

However, I was not threatened or menaced by anyone, to answer your question.

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Intrepid wrote:

How were you threatened or menaced by Suddam?

I knew that he was a homicidal maniac
with a grudge against us for humiliating him
by kicking him out of Kuwait.

I live in a large American port city.
I was apprehensive that he 'd avenge himself
by slipping a nuke in on us, perhaps on a little boat, detonating it as it approached,
maybe on Pearl Harbor Day, if he had a sense of humor n irony.

He is not menacing us now. Quoth the Raven: nevermore.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
How were you threatened or menaced by Suddam?

I knew that he was a homicidal maniac
with a grudge against us for humiliating him
by kicking him out of Kuwait.

I live in a large American port city.
I was apprehensive that he 'd avenge himself
by slipping a nuke in on us, perhaps on a little boat, detonating it as it approached,
maybe on Pearl Harbor Day, if he had a sense of humor n irony.

He is not menacing us now. Quoth the Raven: nevermore.

In other words...... Speculation????

Fear is a terrible thing.

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
How were you threatened or menaced by Suddam?

How were you threatened or menaced by Samoza, or Pinochet, to name but two?

Pinochet was my kinda guy;
I wish I had taken his hand in warm friendship, admiration and gratitude.

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Intrepid wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
How were you threatened or menaced by Suddam?

I knew that he was a homicidal maniac
with a grudge against us for humiliating him
by kicking him out of Kuwait.

I live in a large American port city.
I was apprehensive that he 'd avenge himself
by slipping a nuke in on us, perhaps on a little boat, detonating it as it approached,
maybe on Pearl Harbor Day, if he had a sense of humor n irony.

He is not menacing us now. Quoth the Raven: nevermore.

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In other words...... Speculation????

Yes;
I did not know that he 'd do it with certainty.
He was an intolerable risk.

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Fear is a terrible thing.

Yes; a constant low-grade apprehension.

I made it a point to leave the city, on New Year 's Eve;
went to see my girlfriend

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