US a fading superpower?

History does not support such a contention.

... Anyone who does not, in this age of the internet, arm themselves with historical fact when making stupid comments such as Spurious made is a fool not simply for retailing witless stories, but for not having taken the time (and no trouble at all) to check the facts before posting.

Yeah, right, JTT, i should follow your example, and look for the number of google results for evidence of correct usage--you crack me up.

I have no idea whether it is true or not but I read that Isreal was created because American Jews opposed bringing European Jews to the US. Which is not to say that they might not have had a good reason.

They found somewhere to dump them but not without feeling some responsibility for them.

Since Spurious had no idea whether or not that drivel were true, he ought not to have paraded it here. It would only be distantly germane to the topic of whether or not the United States is "fading" as a "superpower."

They had been emotionally deeply involved in the fate of those European Jews who survived the Nazi massacres and wished to help them reach safer and less tragic havens. But on account of the precariousness of their own position few dared suggest, much less press for, a revision of the American immigration laws, which would otherwise have appeared to be the logical solution; in the earlier years of this century America absorbed more than a million immigrants a year and the country is still sparsely populated. So, to salve their consciences without immediately imperilling their own positions, they used every political device to involve the American Government in the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine; and because their votes are mostly concentrated in politically strategic areas they were able to set one party bidding against the other in promises. By these tactics they undermined the earlier claim that the difference between the Jews and the Gentiles was exclusively one of religion; they forced onto the general public the picture of the Jews as a separate nationality, whatever their country of adoption; and they laid themselves open to the charge of double allegiance with as much justification as it has had when levelled against those hyphenated Americans who have tried to influence the American Government in favour of their former countries.

In an important political pamphlet put out in 1944 by the Congress of Industrial Organizations to induce labour sympathizers to enter local politics, under the title Political Primer for all Americans , the centre page is occupied by a double drawing entitled 'The Politician--How He Grows'. One picture shows a speaker on top of an imposing structure entitled 'Public Office' seen from the front; the second shows the rear elevation with a ladder by which the speaker has reached his eminence. The rungs of the ladder are labelled, starting from the bottom, 'Knowing the neighbourhood--listening but not arguing--knowing names and places--ringing doorbells--doing odd jobs-- working at headquarters-- starting discussions--knowing the "bosses"--speaking up at meetings--doing favours--resolving conflicts--getting votes.' From the lowliest municipal official to the highest offices in the land, these rules, mutatis mutandis, are operative; and a memory for first names and personal hobbies is liable to secure more votes than the wisest legislation.

It is also ludicrous to suggest, as our dear anti-semite Zippy would seem to be doing, that the United States' problems all stem from support of Israel. While it certain does us no good, we've shat in our own nest well enough without appealing to dim-witted conspiracy theories based on an allegation of an international Jewish conspiracy.

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy



J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago's Department of Political Science.

Stephen M.Walt of Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government

harvard.edu

Just a couple of points:

1) I worked in the Intelligence field until 1983. At the time of my retiring from that particular endeavor, it was surmised that Israel MAY have developed nuclear weapons. It was never proven, to my knowledge.

2) That we GAVE them nuclear weapons..... well, I rather doubt it. If we did it was the best kept secret in the US Government. (Not well known for keeping secrets, at best.) Given our policy of non-proliferation, particularly in "unstable" regions...... never happened.

The United States discovered the facility by 1958 and it was a subject of continual discussions between American presidents and Israeli prime ministers. Israel used delay and deception to at first keep the United States at bay, and later used the nuclear option as a bargaining chip for a consistent American conventional arms supply.

Since "Free Trade" has made "labor price competition" a serious matter, the middle class will suffer the worst. We have already seen some of the effects of that.

1) Outsourcing of jobs to other Countries, by the millions!

2) 10 million "illegal" immigrants taking (NOT "stealing") jobs that go asking because Americans won't take them.

3) When you can build a "widget" overseas, ship it across half the planet and STILL undersell a comparable US product, you have "labor price competition".

You, TG, may think what you will of Zippy--i have no doubt at all that he is an anti-semite, and obsessively so.

Zippy, my old Jew-hating cowboy, i pointed out that it is ludicrous to claim that America's problems all stem from support of Israel. You've provided no evidence to counter that claim...

I also believe the US is controlled by Israel and the 6.5 million Jews who live in America.
This is just my opinion and I yearn for the return of the friendly America we used to know.