WTF Kiwis are not australian

Why the devil would anyone want to kill me over the name of the continent? As it seems to have slipped some folks' notice, I will explain.

The geographic forums are all named after continents. None of them are named after countries. Hence Australia is the continent. Don't like that? Take it up with Funk & Wagnalls or the Atlas people or God or whoever goes around naming continents.

As for the reference to kiwis, yes, it's a reference to the bird. Which is a native of NZ. You may have noticed (or not) that some of the other continent forums are described with things that aren't -- how exciting! -- countries or people.

Now, stop trying to kill me and go after Funk & Wagnalls. Thanks.

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Francis wrote:

Just like people in other parts of the world don't know what Kiwis are...

Kiwis are a fruit which grows in the south of Landes.

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Now, people from all around the world will know, Walter! Twisted Evil

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jespah wrote:

Now, stop trying to kill me...

Jespah, you should hide in South Branch, NM, he will never find you..

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it's a good thing we live in canada .
we simply call everything in that area of the world "down under" - so much simpler for us unsophisticated canadians :wink:
do i dare ask what those "down under" call those "up above" Question

:wink:
hbg

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jespah wrote:

Why the devil would anyone want to kill me over the name of the continent? As it seems to have slipped some folks' notice, I will explain.

The geographic forums are all named after continents. None of them are named after countries. Hence Australia is the continent. Don't like that? Take it up with Funk & Wagnalls or the Atlas people or God or whoever goes around naming continents.

As for the reference to kiwis, yes, it's a reference to the bird. Which is a native of NZ. You may have noticed (or not) that some of the other continent forums are described with things that aren't -- how exciting! -- countries or people.

Now, stop trying to kill me and go after Funk & Wagnalls. Thanks.

Wanting to kill you is silly, but your response is sort of silly too.

While I have very little investment in the grievance, it is pretty easy to see that "North America" and "Asia" are very different descriptions from "Australia".

This is because Australia is the name of a country.

Citizens of any other country lumped under "Australia" are going to have the same reaction as you might if you came across a website where North America was not called that, but Canada.

Likewise, people fropm Asian countries other than China might object if their region was lumped under "China".

I really don't think Funk and Wagnalls is a discussion closer, and this concern will be raised from time to time because, to non geographer's eyes who care abut such things, (and New Zealanders do...as would the people of the many other islands, if they visited, no doubt) the name of the "Australia" forum is insulting.

While I agree that becoming as foolishly aggressive as what's his name did is ridiculous, dismissing objections as you did is needlessly, well, at the least, dismissive, in my view. Perfectly reasonable New Zealanders have objected in the past.

Thank you.

hamburger wrote:

it's a good thing we live in canada .
we simply call everything in that area of the world "down under" - so much simpler for us unsophisticated canadians :wink:
do i dare ask what those "down under" call those "up above" :wink:
hbg

Lol! Quite.

As for what I call you guys? Down Under.

The planet has no "up" except away from the centre of gravity, and no "down" except towards it....the rest is northern exceptionalism.

http://www.wall-maps.com/World/UpsideDownWorld.gif

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There remains provision within the Australian Constitution for New Zealand to become another State of Australia.

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/general/constitution/chapter6.htm

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I didnt mean anything when I said I'd kill you, it was a joke take it easy and New Zealand will never become a state of aussie, thats plain dumb, the closest that that has ever happened was when we nearly joined our dollar to make one currency

P.s Francis, your a dork
"Well, one is not supposed to know an island of a New Zealand administered territory...
Just like people in other parts of the world don't know what Kiwis are... "
Dude...

The point of this post was pointing out that Kiwis are not australian which dlowan agrees with too, thats all

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jespah wrote:

The geographic forums are all named after continents.

NOOOOOO! Don't start the continents debate again. Europe is not a continent. Antartica is....

Which continent is Tahiti a part of?

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isnt tahiti just an island like New Zealand and not part of one?

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Dartboy wrote:

isnt tahiti just an island like New Zealand and not part of one?

Quote:

Zealandia, also known as the New Zealand continent, is a nearly submerged continent that sank after breaking away from Australia 60-85 million years ago and from Antarctica between 130 and 85 million years ago. It may have been completely submerged about 23 million years ago, and most of it (93%) remains submerged under the Pacific Ocean.

Zealandia is 3,500,000 km² in area; this is larger than Greenland or India, and almost half the size of Australia. It is unusually long and narrow, stretching from New Caledonia in the north to beyond New Zealand's sub-antarctic islands in the south (from latitude 19° south to 56° south, analogous to ranging from Haiti to Hudson Bay or from Sudan to Sweden in the northern hemisphere). New Zealand is the largest part of Zealandia that is above sea level, followed by New Caledonia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia_(continent)

There you go....

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thats simiply amazing, that is awesome, thank you so much for sharing that oldeurope. how long have you known about that?

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old europe wrote:

Dartboy wrote:
isnt tahiti just an island like New Zealand and not part of one?

Quote:
Zealandia, also known as the New Zealand continent, is a nearly submerged continent that sank after breaking away from Australia 60-85 million years ago and from Antarctica between 130 and 85 million years ago. It may have been completely submerged about 23 million years ago, and most of it (93%) remains submerged under the Pacific Ocean.

Zealandia is 3,500,000 km² in area; this is larger than Greenland or India, and almost half the size of Australia. It is unusually long and narrow, stretching from New Caledonia in the north to beyond New Zealand's sub-antarctic islands in the south (from latitude 19° south to 56° south, analogous to ranging from Haiti to Hudson Bay or from Sudan to Sweden in the northern hemisphere). New Zealand is the largest part of Zealandia that is above sea level, followed by New Caledonia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia_(continent)

There you go....

Blow me down, you're a gem.

Out of such rudenesses came knowledge!!!

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Oh, yeah. There's some kind of hairy berry called a Kiwi, isn't there?

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roger wrote:

Oh, yeah. There's some kind of hairy berry called a Kiwi, isn't there?

Oh goddess no...here we go again.

It's a KIWI FRUIT, not a kiwi, got it?

The kiwi means a cute flightless bird that lives in a New Zealand, or a not necessarily cute human who does the same.

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What would happen if it remerged? would it be New Zealand or be part of france? or would aussie even pop in and try and claim it?

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And besides, Kiwi fruit is a marketing term for an imported cultivar

Full wikipedia article

Names

This fruit had a long history before it was commercialised as kiwifruit and therefore had many other older names.

In Chinese[1]:

* Macaque peach (獼猴桃 míhóu táo): the most common name
* Macaque pear (猕猴梨 míhóu lí)
* Vine pear (藤梨 téng lí)
* Sunny peach (阳桃 yáng táo)
* Wood berry (木子 mù zi)
* Unusual fruit or wonder fruit (奇異果 qíyì guǒ): the most common name in Taiwan and Hong Kong (奇異果 kay yee goh). A quasi-transliteration of "kiwifruit", literally "strange fruit".

When introduced to New Zealand by Isabel Fraser it was called yáng táo. People thought it had a gooseberry flavour and began to call it the Chinese gooseberry, but it is not related to the Grossulariaceae (gooseberry) family.

The fruit was exported to the US in the 1950s. Among the exporters was the prominent produce company Turners and Growers, who were calling the berries melonettes, because the name Chinese gooseberry had political connotations due to the cold war. An American importer, Norman Sondag of San Francisco, complained that melonettes was as bad as Chinese gooseberry because melons and berries were both subject to high import tariffs. In June 1959, during a meeting of Turners and Growers management in Auckland, Jack Turner suggested the name kiwifruit which was adopted and later became the industry wide name.[2]

Most New Zealand kiwifruit is now marketed under the brand-name label Zespri which is trademarked by a marketing company domiciled in New Zealand, ZESPRI International. The branding move also served to distinguish New Zealand kiwifruit from fruit produced by other countries who could cash in on the "Kiwi" name, as it was not trademarked. From 2005, Zespri launched a new promotional campaign worldwide featuring Japanese superstar Ayumi Hamasaki as their spokeswoman.

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in official geography, whatever that is, what CONTINENT does Australia the country belong to?

what CONTINENT does New Zealand belong to? I get that when they are called the same, that might rub some people the wrong way, but that don't make it officially wrong (emotionally maybe, but that's a separate subject).

Kinda like 'America' - that's the other way around. America is the whole continent but it's also how most of the world refers to USA colloquially.
I'm sure plenty of people hate that,too, but oh well. It's not going anywhere it seems.

So, I'm wondering...
If there was a rare bird that only lived in Slovakia, it would be correct to also call it a European bird, right? Since it's on the continent of Europe as well.

But if a Kiwi lives in New Zealand, it is also... what... Oceanian? Or Australian (the continent)? Is there any consensus on the official name of the continent? I remember being always taught it's Australia. Doing quick search now that's what I see most often, followed by Australia and New Zealand sort of slapped onto the side on some maps of continents, even though it's not listed among 7 continents when they are written out. Oceania does appear on maps, but not among the names of continents. I'm confused.

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OK. So more detailed search revealed that:

"New Zealand is not on the same continental shelf and so is not part of the continent of Australia but is part of the submerged continent Zealandia and the wider region known as Oceania."

So if I was a poor fifth grader, or whenever the kids are learning continents and was told to put New Zealand into one of the seven continents of the world, what should I do? I have honestly not heard of the continent called Zealandia to this day and I don't think it's taught that way anywhere.
How is this geographical confusion (to me anyway) treated in Australia and New Zealand (the countries...)?

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Thank you, hingehead. That's everything I wanted to know about them. Possibly more.

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