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Schwarzenegger Announces : Running for CA Gov.

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 04:02 am
Sofia wrote:
I think more farmers, plumbers,... should edge into public office. Of course, in this country, the crappiest reality is you have to have ungodly sums of money to do it. [..]

My fondest dream is for this country to reform campaign finance, and enable the school teacher, pharmacist, social worker to get a hearing from the public and have a chance for national public office.


<applause!>
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 04:16 am
nimh wrote:
<applause!>


Let me clarify - I can well imagine the desire for more "normal folk" to enter into politics. Politics here tends to be dominated by former teachers and civil servants and career politicians, and they get so locked up into their own world with their own language that total estrangement between people and parliament is the result. Thats what happened in the nineties, and as a result, disgusted, the people turned to Pim Fortuyn.

The subsequent episode showed that more "normal people" in the political profession has its risks - excruciating amateurism, petty personal infighting, a degree of chaos - but I think its important. I dunno about electing them straight into the political leader's chair - that seems a bit much, but - yeh.

Its the suggestion that there is something specific about actors and other Hollywood celebrities going on - the suggestion of Americans investing them with some specific trust in matters of the country's government - as if the roles they've played have somehow bled through to the people's perceptions of their personal capacities, a kind of bleed-through of fact and fiction - that would baffle me (but intrigues me, too).
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 07:51 am
There really is a difference between someone (farmer, plumber, actor) who is dedicated to his/her profession. I don't quite equate Arnold with a plumber or a farmer. I don't think of him as an actor, but as a celebrity and spouse of a rich celebrity, an iron pumper -- but mostly as a celebrity whose main aim is not a profession but visibility and personal gain. I guess I just don't think of Arnold (or any whose life revolves around being a celebrity -- per definition given) as a person of character, a leader, do you?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 08:31 am
He's losing points not appearing the any debate so far so he's elected to appear in one where the questions are pre-determined. After his "pumping" comment on Oprah, I think we have another who can't handle himself in an extemporaneous position. His handlers obviously feel something not flattering to their candidate would be revealed if he "let's it all hang out." His supporters are now constantly trying to assure everyone how smart Ahnold is. Somehow that doesn't seem necessary if that were actually a fact.
His agent gets him to do good films and bad films and they're almost always succesful with the popcorn crowd -- I wouldn't pay $9.00 to go out of my way to see any of his films, especially "Terminator III" which is not doing so well. He's now campaigning that he is an immigrant and when he first became a citizen, he ran home and wrapped himself in a huge American flag. Fine -- the he doesn't look like a condom full of doorknobs, he looks like an American flag full of doorknobs.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 09:19 am
Arnold's after school bill hasn't resulted in any programs
I wish some smart journalist would ask Schwarzenegger about how many schools have after school programs authorized by his 2002 Proposition 49 after-school initiative that he keeps bragging about?

As I understand it, not a single program has been funded and there are NO children benefiting from his initiative. Why? Because his Prop 49 initiative did not provide for any funding.

Another Bill that won the hearts of the people but came to nothing because it wasn't funded. Politicians love playing these sort of tricks on the naive electorate.

---BumbleBeeBoogie
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 10:31 am
More like Davis and his cronies decided not to give it any funding, rather, they pump money into their beloved criminal justice system (i.e. prisons).
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 10:32 am
BBB, Prop 49 and "leave on child behind" are worthless on the paper they're written on; without the necessary funding, our schools are being decimated by funding cuts. Most Americans do not seem to be able to equate the money spent in Iraq vs what it has done to the financial health of our country. Many social and capital programs normally funded by federal and state funds have all but disappeared. The next victim will be the people retiring in a few years; because there won't be enough money to fund social security and medicare while our government increases the deficit and the ratio between workers and retirees goes out of kilter.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 12:38 am
Perhaps this quote explains everything. I can't decide if it is the first completely honest description of us Californians to come from a politician in a long long time or if Governor MoonBeam has returned to Sacramento.

http://www.dositey.com/images/alien.gif
Vote for me for Governor.
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Davis answered some questions with personal stories, including one about his ill mother, and with apt anecdotes from the past, but, surprisingly, he got caught up when someone asked him to explain his "vision for the state."

"My vision is to make the most diverse state on earth, and we have people from every planet on the earth in this state. We have the sons and daughters of every, of people from every planet, of every country on earth," he said.

Davis' stumbling on this question may have come from fatigue, after dealing over the past few days with the end of the legislative session, a visit from former President Bill Clinton and other top Democrats, and a surprising federal court ruling Monday that could delay the Oct. 7 election.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/18/MN253560.DTL
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 03:18 am
<giggles>

people from every planet, huh?

that sounds about like california, doesnt it?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 07:18 am
Tartarin said--

Quote:
I guess I just don't think of Arnold (or any whose life revolves around being a celebrity -- per definition given) as a person of character, a leader, do you?


Honestly, I think it is a mistake to judge a person's character, based on their job. You have to have a pattern of personal choices and behavior to make such a judgement, IMO, and should still expect some (a few) imperfections and mistakes... I can't so easily throw a person in a rubbish heap. There are some things about this man I like. There are things I've read, that I didn't respect. I don't know enough about him to categorize him as 'good' or 'bad'.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 07:31 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
BBB, Prop 49 and "leave on child behind" are worthless on the paper they're written on; without the necessary funding, our schools are being decimated by funding cuts. Most Americans do not seem to be able to equate the money spent in Iraq vs what it has done to the financial health of our country. Many social and capital programs normally funded by federal and state funds have all but disappeared. The next victim will be the people retiring in a few years; because there won't be enough money to fund social security and medicare while our government increases the deficit and the ratio between workers and retirees goes out of kilter.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 10:48 am
BrandX, I'm a member of the Grand Jury in Santa Clara County. All of the schools in our area are experiencing budget cuts. This is the "REAL" world of education, and I'm sure it's not an isolated case. You see, the "leave no child behind" is a federal mandate without the funding to support it. In California, the state has worked on a $38 billion dollar deficit which directly impacts our schools, while this president spends $1 billion a week in Iraq.
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fealola
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2003 09:30 am
Decision announcement coming up in 10 minutes.

(See you at the polls...)
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2003 09:59 am
Darrell Issa is urging CA to vote 'No' on the recall, now?

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The GOP congressman whose money put the recall on the ballot urged Republicans Monday to keep Democratic Gov. Gray Davis in office if neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor Tom McClintock pulls out of the race by election day.

"If two major Republicans remain on the ballot, I'd advise you to vote 'no' on the recall," said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista (San Diego County), who spent more than $1.6 million of his own money to help gather signatures to recall Davis.


SF Chronicle

WTF ? Shocked Rolling Eyes
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2003 10:07 am
Because Bustamonte is worse than the status quo.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2003 10:19 am
So the Issa line of argument is - it's really worth to spend all this public money on a recall vote to replace Davis - as long as he's replaced by a Republican.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2003 10:24 am
Read the article. Issa's argument is that he wants a no-tax-increase solution to California's budget problems. Bustamonte plans to raise taxes immediately.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2003 10:30 am
cjhsa wrote:
Read the article. Issa's argument is that he wants a no-tax-increase solution to California's budget problems. Bustamonte plans to raise taxes immediately.

Any solution that includes a tax increase will not be a solution, unless Bustamonte wants to pass a law barring high-income earners from moving out of CA.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2003 10:37 am
Just curious; not trying to provoke partisan platitudes:

How would you Republicans propose that the state cover its $38 billion dollar shortfall?

(Your answer portends how we might address the national budget deficit...)
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2003 10:44 am
I think their solution is to declare war on Oregon!
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