New roll-out (propaganda campaign) for war with Iran?

mysteryman wrote:

blatham wrote:

MM
You are really going to keep pretending to yourself that Greenspan's understanding of the economics and politics related to the US and middle east oil is inferior to yours?

Absolutely not.

But,what US companies are getting the oil, how much are they getting, and where is it going?

If you and Greenspan are correct,those should be simple questions for you to answer.
Instead, you keep avoiding the question.

"Absolutely not" is where you should have stopped. And then started thinking or reading to try and understand why he has said what he has said.

Anything I might say is completely irrelevant as regards the correctness or credibility of Greenspan's statement and opinion.

It is appropriate that the report is written on recylced paper as it is recycled padding which we are all quite familiar with.

No mention of Suez obviously. That is probably because the short sighted US government in 1956 was not dealing with a "gobble it all up" population of 300,000,000 at that time.

Lord Avon can be forgiven for dying of a broken heart. He predicted the mess we have now and which has hardly got started. Saddam Hussein said it was the "mother of all battles".

Get it wrong and you can kiss goodbye to any oil from the whole region by 2030. And you are "addicted". That's official. And showing every sign of going in for bigger doses.

With a random aggregate of dystopian happenings I don't suppose there is much alternative.

spendius wrote:

It is appropriate that the report is written on recylced paper as it is recycled padding which we are all quite familiar with.

No mention of Suez obviously. That is probably because the short sighted US government in 1956 was not dealing with a "gobble it all up" population of 300,000,000 at that time.

Lord Avon can be forgiven for dying of a broken heart. He predicted the mess we have now and which has hardly got started. Saddam Hussein said it was the "mother of all battles".

Get it wrong and you can kiss goodbye to any oil from the whole region by 2030. And you are "addicted". That's official. And showing every sign of going in for bigger doses.

With a random aggregate of dystopian happenings I don't suppose there is much alternative.

Not all of us are as addicted. Not counting shipping of objects, something I'm preparing to see go up in price, my gasoline usage for this year is right around 7 gallons.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

spendius wrote:

It is appropriate that the report is written on recylced paper as it is recycled padding which we are all quite familiar with.

No mention of Suez obviously. That is probably because the short sighted US government in 1956 was not dealing with a "gobble it all up" population of 300,000,000 at that time.

Lord Avon can be forgiven for dying of a broken heart. He predicted the mess we have now and which has hardly got started. Saddam Hussein said it was the "mother of all battles".

Get it wrong and you can kiss goodbye to any oil from the whole region by 2030. And you are "addicted". That's official. And showing every sign of going in for bigger doses.

With a random aggregate of dystopian happenings I don't suppose there is much alternative.

Not all of us are as addicted. Not counting shipping of objects, something I'm preparing to see go up in price, my gasoline usage for this year is right around 7 gallons.

Cycloptichorn

I notice you said "gasoline" and not oil.
You do know that plastic is a petroleum product,as is kerosene.
You do realize that natural gas is also a petroleum product.

Here is a partial list of petroleum products.
Are you saying that you use none of these?

Products Made from Oil

Ink Dishwashing liquids Paint brushes Telephones
Toys Unbreakable dishes Insecticides Antiseptics
Dolls Car sound insulation Fishing lures Deodorant
Tires Motorcycle helmets Linoleum Sweaters
Tents Refrigerator linings Paint rollers Floor wax
Shoes Electrician's tape Plastic wood Model cars
Glue Roller-skate wheels Trash bags Soap dishes
Skis Permanent press clothes Hand lotion Clothesline
Dyes Soft contact lenses Shampoo Panty hose
Cameras Food preservatives Fishing rods Oil filters
Combs Transparent tape Anesthetics Upholstery
Dice Disposable diapers TV cabinets Cassettes
Mops Sports car bodies Salad bowls House paint
Purses Electric blankets Awnings Ammonia
Dresses Car battery cases Safety glass Hair curlers
Pajamas Synthetic rubber VCR tapes Eyeglasses
Pillows Vitamin capsules Movie film Ice chests
Candles Rubbing alcohol Loudspeakers Ice buckets
Boats Ice cube trays Credit cards Fertilizers
Crayons Insect repellent Water pipes Toilet seats
Caulking Roofing shingles Fishing boots Life jackets
Balloons Shower curtains Garden hose Golf balls
Curtains Plywood adhesive Umbrellas Detergents
Milk jugs Beach umbrellas Rubber cement Sun glasses
Putty Faucet washers Cold cream Bandages
Tool racks Antihistamines Hair coloring Nail polish
Slacks Drinking cups Guitar strings False teeth
Yarn Petroleum jelly Toothpaste Golf bags
Roofing Tennis rackets Toothbrushes Perfume
Luggage Wire insulation Folding doors Shoe polish
Fan belts Ballpoint pens Shower doors Cortisone
Carpeting Artificial turf Heart valves LP records
Lipstick Artificial limbs Hearing aids Vaporizers
Aspirin Shaving cream Wading pools Parachutes

That is from here...
http://www.beloit.edu/~SEPM/Geology_and_the_enviro/Petroleum_need.html

"Addicted" was not meant to apply to individuals. The structure of the state and the financial institutions are addicted.

I don't even own a car but I'm aware of my addiction.

The UN's chief nuclear weapons inspector yesterday warned against the use of force against Iran, in what UN officials said was an attempt to halt an "out of control" drift to war.

His outspoken remarks, which drew a parallel between Iran and Iraq, appeared to take aim at the US and Britain. They followed comments on Sunday night by the French foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, who said: "We have to prepare for the worst," adding "the worst is war".

"We have to prepare for the worst,"

Quote:

"We have to prepare for the worst,"

If "we" means "us" what do we do Steve?

spendius wrote:

Quote:

"We have to prepare for the worst,"

If "we" means "us" what do we do Steve?

prepare for war with the Ironians. Irony is a place the Americans never go.

Why Bush won't attack Iran
Despite saber-rattling, and the Washington buzz that a strike is coming, the president doesn't intend to bomb Iran. Cheney may have other ideas.

By Steven Clemons

Sept. 19, 2007 | WASHINGTON -- During a recent high-powered Washington dinner party attended by 18 people, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft squared off across the table over whether President Bush will bomb Iran.

Brzezinski, former national security advisor to President Carter, said he believed Bush's team had laid a track leading to a single course of action: a military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. Scowcroft, who was NSA to Presidents Ford and the first Bush, held out hope that the current President Bush would hold fire and not make an already disastrous situation for the U.S. in the Middle East even worse.

The 18 people at the party, including former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, then voted with a show of hands for either Brzezinski's or Scowcroft's position. Scowcroft got only two votes, including his own. Everyone else at the table shared Brzezinski's fear that a U.S. strike against Iran is around the corner...