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New roll-out (propaganda campaign) for war with Iran?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 4 Oct, 2007 09:04 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Do you also fault Israel for not holding discussionwith Iran?


Do you have info that Israel won't speak to Iran, and that Iran is willing to speak to Israel?
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2007 08:43 pm
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Bolton calls for bombing of Iran

Sunday September 30, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

John Bolton, the former US ambassador to the United Nations, told Tory delegates today that efforts by the UK and the EU to negotiate with Iran had failed and that he saw no alternative to a pre-emptive strike on suspected nuclear facilities in the country.

Mr Bolton, who was addressing a fringe meeting organised by Lord (Michael) Ancram, said that the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was "pushing out" and "is not receiving adequate push-back" from the west.

"I don't think the use of military force is an attractive option, but I would tell you I don't know what the alternative is.

"Because life is about choices, I think we have to consider the use of military force. I think we have to look at a limited strike against their nuclear facilities."

He added that any strike should be followed by an attempt to remove the "source of the problem", Mr Ahmadinejad.

"If we were to strike Iran it should be accompanied by an effort at regime change ... The US once had the capability to engineer the clandestine overthrow of governments. I wish we could get it back."

The fact that intelligence about Iran's nuclear activity was partial should not be used as an excuse not to act, Mr Bolton insisted.

"Intelligence can be wrong in more than one direction." He asked how the British government would respond if terrorists exploded a nuclear device at home. "'It's only Manchester?' ... Responding after they're used is unacceptable."

Mr Bolton, now a fellow at the conservative thinktank the American Enterprise Institute and the author of a forthcoming book called Surrender is Not an Option, was applauded by delegates when he described the UN as "fundamentally irrelevant". [..]
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 10:02 am
David Frum, former Bush speechwriter and AEI fellow writing at National Review...
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You want realism? It's this: The emerging US-Iranian confrontation is a confrontation of Iran's choice and Iran's making. It is Iran that has determined to seek nuclear weapons, Iran that has declared it will use those weapons aggressively against its neighbors, and Iran that has made a nonsense of the long negotiations with the UK, France, and Germany. We are rapidly reaching the point - maybe we have reached it already - where Iran has succeeded in reducing our choices to two: acquiesce in a nuclear bomb or stop it by force. As for the idea that the present Iranian regime can be a negotiating partner - a constructive force in the region - or anything other than a menace to its neighbors or its own people, well we need another term for that. How about "fantasy"?
http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTVmNjdmN2ExODc3YjRkZDQ0MmMzMjA0NTA5YzM1ZTU=

No citations, quite normal for these insane warmonger types at AEI, for that bit in red.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 01:19 pm
Pakistan has these weapons they say and it is having a little wobble just now. If it wobbles too much Iran will become a distant memory.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 03:08 pm
Frum says that Iran is threatening to nuke its neighbors. That is news to me.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 04:52 pm
Just finished the Hersh article. <shudder>
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 06:00 pm
Was that news to you ossie?

Have you been hibernating during the summer?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 06:25 pm
No, the developed plans to hit Iran aren't news to me.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 06:27 pm
Iran is always saying that their research is for peaceful purposes. Does Frum have secret info?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Oct, 2007 06:36 pm
ossobuco wrote:
No, the developed plans to hit Iran aren't news to me.
I should add, nor is the burgeoning enthusiasm for using the plans.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 09:27 am
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"Seven countries in five years"
Wesley Clark's new memoir casts more light on the Bush administration's secret strategies for regime change in Iran and elsewhere.

By Joe Conason

Oct. 12, 2007 | While the Bush White House promotes the possibility of armed conflict with Iran, a tantalizing passage in Wesley Clark's new memoir suggests that another war is part of a long-planned Department of Defense strategy that anticipated "regime change" by force in no fewer than seven Mideast states. Critics of the war have often voiced suspicions of such imperial schemes, but this is the first time that a high-ranking former military officer has claimed to know that such plans existed.

The existence of that classified memo would certainly cast more dubious light not only on the original decision to invade Iraq because of Saddam Hussein's weapons and ambitions but on the current efforts to justify and even instigate military action against Iran.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 12:28 pm
Defence planners do not recognise lines on maps Bernie except when it suits them to do so. Not when they are thinking Offence as the best form of Defence at least.

There's no such thing as seven mid-east states to a General. There's an area of sand with oil under it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 10:13 am
Going back to the Packer piece which leads up this thread, we see his prediction that the war mongering will be forwarded by the ususal suspects, eg Fox, Weekly Standard, etc

And that certainly is happening. One can view the WS commentary at their site. Fox is also doing its best to pump up the hatred and fear along with the joys of bombing people... http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/22886/1/fns_roundtable_iran_102807.wmv/
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 10:25 am
blatham wrote:
Quote:
"Seven countries in five years"
Wesley Clark's new memoir casts more light on the Bush administration's secret strategies for regime change in Iran and elsewhere.

By Joe Conason

Oct. 12, 2007 | While the Bush White House promotes the possibility of armed conflict with Iran, a tantalizing passage in Wesley Clark's new memoir suggests that another war is part of a long-planned Department of Defense strategy that anticipated "regime change" by force in no fewer than seven Mideast states. Critics of the war have often voiced suspicions of such imperial schemes, but this is the first time that a high-ranking former military officer has claimed to know that such plans existed.

The existence of that classified memo would certainly cast more dubious light not only on the original decision to invade Iraq because of Saddam Hussein's weapons and ambitions but on the current efforts to justify and even instigate military action against Iran.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/


Interesting. Makes the Rafik Hariri assassination look like someone was going for a two-fer.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 10:39 am
blatham wrote:
Quote:
"Seven countries in five years"
Wesley Clark's new memoir casts more light on the Bush administration's secret strategies for regime change in Iran and elsewhere.

By Joe Conason

Oct. 12, 2007 | While the Bush White House promotes the possibility of armed conflict with Iran, a tantalizing passage in Wesley Clark's new memoir suggests that another war is part of a long-planned Department of Defense strategy that anticipated "regime change" by force in no fewer than seven Mideast states. Critics of the war have often voiced suspicions of such imperial schemes, but this is the first time that a high-ranking former military officer has claimed to know that such plans existed.

The existence of that classified memo would certainly cast more dubious light not only on the original decision to invade Iraq because of Saddam Hussein's weapons and ambitions but on the current efforts to justify and even instigate military action against Iran.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/


Wes Clark makes a fool of himself on Bill Maher.
by Common Cents
Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 08:31:48 AM PDT

Did anyone see him triangulating for Hillary (aka TweedleDUMB)? He actually argued that a uniform military division is a terrorist organization. He said that women liked being in burkas and that we should respect that. Wes Clark is a f'n moron!

I had no idea he was this dumb! Women love the burkas and declaring military units as terrorists is a diplomatic action!? What kind of triangulating foolhardy madness is this? Oh....he endorsed Hillary.


Now I don't know about you, but this nonsense about naming a military wing of the Iranian army terrorists is absurd. Last night Bill Maher begged Clark to define the term terrorist and he refused. Then he said Hillary would use diplomacy...with a nation whose military she just named a terrorist organization. This is Clark and Clinton's idea of skilled diplomacy? Why not label the House of Saud terrorists? Oh wait...our military is their military. Anyway, Clark is defending Hillary standing with LIEberman and the neocons about Iran while claiming this isn't a pretext for war with Iran. Yeah, claiming their military is a terrorist organization with Bush/Cheney in the White House is not a pretext for war at all general.

Now in case you missed it, last night on his show Maher was mocking Laura Bush going to the UAE to promote breast cancer awareness. He showed this image of Laura smiling like a Stepford wife in the headlights with two liberated free-thinking muslim women. Wes Clark, the liberated genius that he is, actually makes the case that Bill shouldn't mock those women. No, no. You see he has spoken with these women and they like being in the burkas. He actually scolded Andrew Sullivan and Bill Maher for saying it was repressive. Is Clark mad? They don't have a choice in the matter. The supposed women in burkas Clark spoke with are probably dead now for talking to a man other than their husband. Those women aren't choosing to be in burkas. They walk five steps behind their husband and have no identity. Does Clark actually believe the bullshit he is spewing? It seemed like it. The worst thing about Clark on this one his seeming sincerity.

Good thing Clark fizzled in 04 and was persuaded by facts to avoid another sad run in 08. I think Gravel has the crazy coot niche already filled. The last thing we need is a general up there arguing for women in burkas and declaring militaries as terrorists is a dovish action.

Clark endorsed Clinton and last night if she has any sense she'll ask him to defend someone else. Of course she won't because this sort of moderate triangulating is her bread and butter. Make no mistake though. If we elect Hillary Clinton and Clark gets that inevitable SecO'State gig then this nation gets only what they deserve.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/27/11714/080
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 11:00 am
Not all Muslim countries are repressive.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 11:32 am
Brand X
Speaking of Morons. What should Anyone who voted for Bush and contiues to support him be labeled as. Yeah, I am talking to you. Crying or Very sad
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 11:58 am
au1929 wrote:
Brand X
Speaking of Morons. What should Anyone who voted for Bush and contiues to support him be labeled as. Yeah, I am talking to you. Crying or Very sad



You are behind the times.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 02:24 pm
I wager there are many women who like the burkas. These are exceedingly ugly women, including those who don't wish to keep up with, and invest in, the latest fashions.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 02:26 pm
BrandX wrote:
They walk five steps behind their husband and have no identity.


Sounds like a good idea.

Women Who Know Their Place

Barbara Walters of Television's 20/20 did a story on gender roles in Kabul, Afghanistan several years before the Afghan conflict. She noted that women customarily walked 5 paces behind their husbands.

She recently returned to Kabul and observed that women still walk behind their husbands. From Ms. Walter's vantage point, despite the overthrow of the oppressive Taliban regime, the women now seem to walk even
further back behind their husbands and are happy to maintain the old custom.

Ms. Walters approached one of the Afghani women and asked, "Why do you now seem happy with the old custom that you once tried so desperately to change?"

The woman looked Ms. Walters straight in the eyes, and without hesitation, said, "Land Mines."

MORAL OF THE STORY:

BEHIND EVERY MAN IS A SMART WOMAN.
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