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New roll-out (propaganda campaign) for war with Iran?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:25 pm
ROFL
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 9 Nov, 2007 06:40 am
Cheney Tried to Stifle Dissent in Iran NIE

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WASHINGTON, Nov 8 (IPS) - A National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran has been held up for more than a year in an effort to force the intelligence community to remove dissenting judgments on the Iranian nuclear programme, and thus make the document more supportive of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney's militarily aggressive policy toward Iran, according to accounts of the process provided by participants to two former Central Intelligence Agency officers.

But this pressure on intelligence analysts, obviously instigated by Cheney himself, has not produced a draft estimate without those dissenting views, these sources say. The White House has now apparently decided to release the unsatisfactory draft NIE, but without making its key findings public.

A former CIA intelligence officer who has asked not to be identified told IPS that an official involved in the NIE process says the Iran estimate was ready to be published a year ago but has been delayed because the director of national intelligence wanted a draft reflecting a consensus on key conclusions -- particularly on Iran's nuclear programme.

The NIE coordinates the judgments of 16 intelligence agencies on a specific country or issue.

There is a split in the intelligence community on how much of a threat the Iranian nuclear programme poses, according to the intelligence official's account. Some analysts who are less independent are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the alarmist view coming from Cheney's office, but others have rejected that view.

The draft NIE first completed a year ago, which had included the dissenting views, was not acceptable to the White House, according to the former intelligence officer. "They refused to come out with a version that had dissenting views in it," he says.

As recently as early October, the official involved in the process was said to be unclear about whether an NIE would be circulated and, if so, what it would say.

Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi provided a similar account, based on his own sources in the intelligence community. He told IPS that intelligence analysts have had to review and rewrite their findings three times, because of pressure from the White House.

"The White House wants a document that it can use as evidence for its Iran policy," says Giraldi. Despite pressures on them to change their dissenting conclusions, however, Giraldi says some analysts have refused to go along with conclusions that they believe are not supported by the evidence.

In October 2006, Giraldi wrote in The American Conservative that the NIE on Iran had already been completed, but that Cheney's office had objected to its findings on both the Iranian nuclear programme and Iran's role in Iraq. The draft NIE did not conclude that there was confirming evidence that Iran was arming the Shiite insurgents in Iraq, according to Giraldi.

Giraldi said the White House had decided to postpone any decision on the internal release of the NIE until after the November 2006 elections.

Cheney's desire for a "clean" NIE that could be used to support his aggressive policy toward Iran was apparently a major factor in the replacement of John Negroponte as director of national intelligence in early 2007.

Negroponte had angered the neoconservatives in the administration by telling the press in April 2006 that the intelligence community believed that it would still be "a number of years off" before Iran would be "likely to have enough fissile material to assemble into or to put into a nuclear weapon, perhaps into the next decade."

Neoconservatives immediately attacked Negroponte for the statement, which merely reflected the existing NIE on Iran issued in spring 2005. Robert G. Joseph, the undersecretary of state for arms control and an ally of Cheney, contradicted Negroponte the following day. He suggested that Iran's nuclear programme was nearing the "point of no return" -- an Israeli concept referring to the mastery of industrial-scale uranium enrichment.

Frank J. Gaffney, a protégé of neoconservative heavyweight Richard Perle, complained that Negroponte was "absurdly declaring the Iranian regime to be years away from having nuclear weapons".

On Jan. 5, 2007, Pres. George W. Bush announced the nomination of retired Vice Admiral John Michael "Mike" McConnell to be director of national intelligence. McConnell was approached by Cheney himself about accepting the position, according to Newsweek.

McConnell was far more amenable to White House influence than his predecessor. On Feb. 27, one week after his confirmation, he told the Senate Armed Services Committee he was "comfortable saying it's probable" that the alleged export of explosively formed penetrators to Shiite insurgents in Iraq was linked to the highest leadership in Iran.

Cheney had been making that charge, but Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defence Robert M. Gates, as well as Negroponte, had opposed it.

A public event last spring indicated that White House had ordered a reconsideration of the draft NIE's conclusion on how many years it would take Iran to produce a nuclear weapon. The previous Iran estimate completed in spring 2005 had estimated it as 2010 to 2015.

Two weeks after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced in mid-April that Iran would begin producing nuclear fuel on an industrial scale, the chairman of the National Intelligence Council, Thomas Fingar, said in an interview with National Public Radio that the completion of the NIE on Iran had been delayed while the intelligence community determined whether its judgment on the time frame within which Iran might produce a nuclear weapon needed to be amended.

Fingar said the estimate "might change", citing "new reporting" from the International Atomic Energy Agency as well as "some other new information we have". And then he added, "We are serious about reexamining old evidence."

That extraordinary revelation about the NIE process, which was obviously ordered by McConnell, was an unsubtle signal to the intelligence community that the White House was determined to obtain a more alarmist conclusion on the Iranian nuclear programme.

A decision announced in late October indicated, however, that Cheney did not get the consensus findings on the nuclear programme and Iran's role in Iraq that he had wanted. On Oct. 27, David Shedd, a deputy to McConnell, told a congressional briefing that McConnell had issued a directive making it more difficult to declassify the key judgments of national intelligence estimates.

That reversed a Bush administration practice of releasing summaries of "key judgments" in NIEs that began when the White House made public the key judgments from the controversial 2002 NIE on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction programme in July 2003.

The decision to withhold key judgments on Iran from the public was apparently part of a White House strategy for reducing the potential damage of publishing the estimate with the inclusion of dissenting views.

As of early October, officials involved in the NIE were "throwing their hands up in frustration" over the refusal of the administration to allow the estimate to be released, according to the former intelligence officer. But the Iran NIE is now expected to be circulated within the administration in late November, says Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst and founder of the anti-war group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

The release of the Iran NIE would certainly intensify the bureaucratic political struggle over Iran policy. If the NIE includes both dissenting views on key issues, a campaign of selective leaking to news media of language from the NIE that supports Cheney's line on Iran will soon follow, as well as leaks of the dissenting views by his opponents.

Both sides may be anticipating another effort by Cheney to win Bush's approval of a significant escalation of military pressure on Iran in early 2008.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 9 Nov, 2007 08:24 am
I am more than ever convinced that Bush and Cheney are our greatest enemies not Iran.
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 9 Nov, 2007 12:59 pm
Severe" consequences if US bombs Iran -- US Senator Hagel
Politics 11/8/2007
By Ronald Baygents

WASHINGTON, Nov 8 (KUNA) -- There would be "severe" consequences in many forms if the United States bombs Iran, Senator Chuck Hagel, a Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and Senate Intelligence Committee, said on Thursday.

During a brief question-and-answer session following his speech, "The United States and Iran: At a Dangerous Crossroads," Hagel was asked by KUNA what consequences might ensue if the U.S. takes military action against Iran.

Hagel predicted a significant level of retaliation by Iran "in many forms," particularly the unleashing of terrorism, which "giant armies are not very effective against".

"We could see inflamed religious dynamics in the Islamic world," Hagel told KUNA. U.S. military action against Iran also could undermine other U.S. efforts in the Middle East, he added.

During his speech at the Capital Hilton in Washington, hosted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, Hagel said that in the Middle East of the 21st century, Iran will be a key center of gravity and remains a significant regional power.

"The United States cannot change that reality," he said. "Americas strategic thinking and policies for the Middle East must acknowledge the role of Iran today and well into the future".

U.S. officials must be clear that the United States does not seek regime change in Iran, Hagel said.

"There can be no ambiguity on this point," he said. "We must be clear that our objections are to the actions and policies of the Iranian government, not the Iranian people, and that improved U.S.-Iran relations are a real possibility and clearly in the interests of the Iranian people, the Middle East and the United States".

Now is the time for the United States to actively pursue an offer of "direct, unconditional and comprehensive talks with Iran," Hagel said. "We cannot afford to refuse to consider this strategic choice any longer. We should make clear that everything is on the table -- our issues and Irans, similar to the opportunity that we squandered in 2003 for comprehensive talks with Iran".

This should include offering Iran a credible way back in from the fringes of the international community and security guarantees if it is willing to give up nuclear weapons ambitions, as well as other incentives, he said. This will require the day-to-day efforts and presence of a very senior administration official, higher ranking than the American Ambassador to Iraq, he added.

This offer should be made even as the United States continues other elements of its strategy -- working with allies on multilateral sanctions applying financial pressure; working in the UN Security Council on a third sanctions resolution; and working in the region to support those Middle East countries which share U.S. concerns about Iran, he said.

"We should seek to work in concert with Russian President Putin, who traveled to Tehran last month to visit the Supreme Leader of Iran, Grand Ayatollah Khamenei, and propose a new initiative to help resolve the standoff over Irans nuclear program," Hagel said.

The United States also should seriously explore the proposal from the Arab Gulf States, announced by Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal, to establish a nuclear consortium to provide any Middle East state with enriched nuclear fuel, including Iran, Hagel said. Initial Iranian reactions could provide an opening for common interests, he added.

"Creative approaches like these, rather than war speeches and talk of World War III, would strengthen our ability across the board to deal with Iran," the senator said. "Our friends and allies and international institutions would be more confident to stand with us, not just because of our power, but rather because they trusted our purpose, our words and our actions".

This could create a new dynamic in U.S.-Iran relations, in part by providing the Iranians with incentives to react to the possibility of better relations with the West because it is in their interests, Hagel said, adding, "We should be prepared that any dialogue with Iran will take time and diplomatic effort, focus and discipline".

It may be that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants to take his country into conflict with the United States, Hagel said. Ahmadinejad may believe that baiting the United States into striking Iran will allow him to consolidate clear control over the Iranian government, including by undermining the influence of Irans Supreme Leader, Hagel said.

"We must not play the Iranian Presidents game by allowing ourselves to recklessly ricochet into a conflict that could help unite Iran and the Muslim world behind the very extremists that we should be isolating," Hagel said. "Our strategy must be smarter, wiser and get above the Iranian President. We must demonstrate to the rest of Irans leaders, the Iranian people, the Middle East and the world that it is an irresponsible Iranian President who could take Iran into conflict, not the United States". (end) rm.ajs KUNA 082155 Nov 07NNNN
http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesPublicSite/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=1855742&Language=en
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 9 Nov, 2007 01:28 pm
spendius wrote:
...There's no such thing as seven mid-east states to a General. There's an area of sand with oil under it.
A phrase invoving nails heads and hammers springs to mind.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 9 Nov, 2007 10:42 pm
Experts cast doubt on reality of Iran nuclear threat
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You know I am no big fan of Iran; from what I can understand they do not have good humanitarian conditions for women and dissenters to say the least.

However, I am not sure that everything which has been attributed to Ahmadinejad as saying is factual but a (may be deliberate) mistranslation(s).

Its too long and complicated to leave but here it is if anyone is interested.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 09:19 am
thanks revel
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:38 pm
Revel, you managed to sneak in an an unrelated anti-Israel screed, and you are blessed for this by Bernie. But this is nothing new in A2K.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 10:17 pm
Advocate wrote:
Revel, you managed to sneak in an an unrelated anti-Israel screed, and you are blessed for this by Bernie. But this is nothing new in A2K.


I assume you are referring to the link at the bottom. I hadn't clicked on it and I was referring to the Houston Chronicle piece.

I haven't bothered reading much of the Clearing House piece. Don't know who they are. But my readings make it fairly clear that the dangers presented by Iran or by its president are being exaggerated in Washington and Tel Aviv.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 11 Nov, 2007 06:49 am
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But my readings make it fairly clear that the dangers presented by Iran or by its president are being exaggerated in Washington and Tel Aviv.


You may be right, and I hope you are.
But may I remind you that the same thing was said by many when Churchill started warning people about Nazi Germany.

He was laughed at and the "experts" at the time said Hitler was no threat either.

Guess who was right.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 11 Nov, 2007 07:06 am
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:
But my readings make it fairly clear that the dangers presented by Iran or by its president are being exaggerated in Washington and Tel Aviv.


You may be right, and I hope you are.
But may I remind you that the same thing was said by many when Churchill started warning people about Nazi Germany.

He was laughed at and the "experts" at the time said Hitler was no threat either.

Guess who was right.


And may I remind you that the argument you just presented was used to invade Iraq. That argument can be used to invade any country we choose. Just make an unfounded accusation and tell naysayers about Germany.

Or to put it another way, lets use Cheney's 1% rule. If a country is 1% guilty of what we accuse it of that gives us the right to invade it.

You know the old sayings....

Can't be to sure; don't want to wait until New York is a smoking ruin; what if your wrong; do you want to take the chance; remember Germany and Chamberlin; yada yada yada.

The Germany argument appeals to cowards (run, run the sky is falling) and stupidity (duh, will it hurt me if it falls).
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 11 Nov, 2007 07:12 am
xingu wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:
But my readings make it fairly clear that the dangers presented by Iran or by its president are being exaggerated in Washington and Tel Aviv.


You may be right, and I hope you are.
But may I remind you that the same thing was said by many when Churchill started warning people about Nazi Germany.

He was laughed at and the "experts" at the time said Hitler was no threat either.

Guess who was right.


And may I remind you that the argument you just presented was used to invade Iraq. That argument can be used to invade any country we choose. Just make an unfounded accusation and tell naysayers about Germany.

Or to put it another way, lets use Cheney's 1% rule. If a country is 1% guilty of what we accuse it of that gives us the right to invade it.

You know the old sayings....

Can't be to sure; don't want to wait until New York is a smoking ruin; what if your wrong; do you want to take the chance; remember Germany and Chamberlin; yada yada yada.

The Germany argument appeals to cowards (run, run the sky is falling) and stupidity (duh, will it hurt me if it falls).


Actually, the point I was making is that sometimes the person saying something unpopular actually is correct.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 11 Nov, 2007 10:02 am
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Actually, the point I was making is that sometimes the person saying something unpopular actually is correct.

Or, to rephrase, sometimes people's opinions are wrong. Not terribly helpful or revealing.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 11 Nov, 2007 10:07 am
blatham wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Revel, you managed to sneak in an an unrelated anti-Israel screed, and you are blessed for this by Bernie. But this is nothing new in A2K.


I assume you are referring to the link at the bottom. I hadn't clicked on it and I was referring to the Houston Chronicle piece.

I haven't bothered reading much of the Clearing House piece. Don't know who they are. But my readings make it fairly clear that the dangers presented by Iran or by its president are being exaggerated in Washington and Tel Aviv.


Bernie, I am sorry that I misunderstood. I agree with you regarding the exaggeration regarding the Iranian threat.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 11 Nov, 2007 10:28 am
No problem at all. My fault, really, for not being more clear.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2007 04:26 pm
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http://thinkprogress.org/
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jan, 2008 08:28 am
Anti-war Soros funded Iraq study

A STUDY that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.

Soros, 77, provided almost half the £50,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.

The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.

New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people - less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate - have died since the invasion in 2003.

"The authors should have disclosed the [Soros] donation and for many people that would have been a disqualifying factor in terms of publishing the research," said Michael Spagat, economics professor at Royal Holloway, University of London.

The Lancet study was commissioned by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and led by Les Roberts, an associate professor and epidemiologist at Columbia University. He reportedly opposed the war from the outset.

His team surveyed 1,849 homes at 47 sites across Iraq, asking people about births, deaths and migration in their households.

Professor John Tirman of MIT said this weekend that $46,000 (£23,000) of the approximate £50,000 cost of the study had come from Soros's Open Society Institute.

Roberts said this weekend: "In retrospect, it was probably unwise to have taken money that could have looked like it would result in a political slant. I am adamant this could not have affected the outcome of the research."

The Lancet did not break any rules by failing to disclose Soros's sponsorship.

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Well, how about that.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jan, 2008 09:14 am
Beat, beat, beat the war drum.


(CNN) -- Top Iranian officials heaped scorn on President Bush's visit to the Middle East, with one of them saying the American leader was attempting to stir up "Iranophobia," a state-run Iranian news agency reported Monday.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/14/bush.mideast/index.html
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jan, 2008 09:45 am
McGentrix wrote:
Anti-war Soros funded Iraq study

A STUDY that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.

Soros, 77, provided almost half the £50,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.

The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.

New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people - less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate - have died since the invasion in 2003.

"The authors should have disclosed the [Soros] donation and for many people that would have been a disqualifying factor in terms of publishing the research," said Michael Spagat, economics professor at Royal Holloway, University of London.

The Lancet study was commissioned by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and led by Les Roberts, an associate professor and epidemiologist at Columbia University. He reportedly opposed the war from the outset.

His team surveyed 1,849 homes at 47 sites across Iraq, asking people about births, deaths and migration in their households.

Professor John Tirman of MIT said this weekend that $46,000 (£23,000) of the approximate £50,000 cost of the study had come from Soros's Open Society Institute.

Roberts said this weekend: "In retrospect, it was probably unwise to have taken money that could have looked like it would result in a political slant. I am adamant this could not have affected the outcome of the research."

The Lancet did not break any rules by failing to disclose Soros's sponsorship.



___________________________________________________________

Well, how about that.



This seems to be a cheap shot at Soros. He helped fund a study of a subject on which there are different opinions. Soros is a great philanthropist, and he has been right in his opposition to the war into which Bush lied us.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jan, 2008 09:58 am
Quote:
This seems to be a cheap shot at Soros. He helped fund a study of a subject on which there are different opinions. Soros is a great philanthropist, and he has been right in his opposition to the war into which Bush lied us.


Would you say the same thing if Rupert Murdoch funded a study that came to conclusions that disagrees with the left?
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