Democrat / Clinton fundraising scandals continue

gungasnake wrote:

Very few things worse than living under rocks, kool-aid overconsumption is one of them.

Like I say, even the real lefties are not denying the sale of H-bomb technology to the chicoms but are rather trying to move it far enough back in time to get Ollie north and George HW Bush involved.

The deals with Loral and China acquiring the ability to target American cities with missiles is pure KKKlintonism and the whole world knows it.

Maybe you should contact the US Congress since they don't know it and said something completely different in the COX report. Or are you trying to imply the GOP congress in 1999 were "real lefties".

http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house/hr105851/index.html

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The 'Cox Report' is kool-aid by another name. The intended audience is people like yourself.

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You know, there's one other little part of the whole Chinagate thing which most people never consider.

If you're going to train somebody in the use of weapons, the least you want to be sure of is that the person is a friend and not an enemy.

All anybody needed to do wrt China starting from 1992 was nothing, and there'd be zero problems today. SlicKKK KKKlintler on the other hand gave the suckers hydrogen bombs and missiles and, then, on the final day of school, gave them a good swift kick in the ass in the form of firebombing their embassy in Yugoslavia.

Pretty ******* stupid when you think about it.

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Parados, sloppy record keeping one thing. Outright intentional fraud another. I am not familiar with all cases, but I am pretty convinced the Americans Coming Together was an intentional scam. And the Clintons are becoming particularly notorious for foreign money finding its way into their campaigns. Not chump change either. You can continue to believe Hillary was and is clueless about what Norman Hsu was doing, but I seriously doubt it and will continue to follow the investigation.

Don't you think its time to roll back the stupid McCain Feingold bill?

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okie wrote:

Parados, sloppy record keeping one thing. Outright intentional fraud another. I am not familiar with all cases, but I am pretty convinced the Americans Coming Together was an intentional scam.

based on what evidence? or just your own personal feelings?

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And the Clintons are becoming particularly notorious for foreign money finding its way into their campaigns. Not chump change either.

I see you still are ignoring where it has been pointed out that Bush and the Republicans have received large sums in illegal contributions. By the way Hillary is returning all the money Hsu raised. Will Bush and all the republicans do the same for contributions they received?

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You can continue to believe Hillary was and is clueless about what Norman Hsu was doing, but I seriously doubt it and will continue to follow the investigation.

And you can continue your double standard of Democrats are responsible for everything while Republicans are clueless.

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Don't you think its time to roll back the stupid McCain Feingold bill?

No

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parados wrote:

okie wrote:
Parados, sloppy record keeping one thing. Outright intentional fraud another. I am not familiar with all cases, but I am pretty convinced the Americans Coming Together was an intentional scam.
based on what evidence? or just your own personal feelings?

Based on watching events for the last 20 years. Clintons are crooked, and cannot be trusted. And George Soros makes no bones about buying the Democrats and trying to turn the party into whatever he wants it to be.

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And the Clintons are becoming particularly notorious for foreign money finding its way into their campaigns. Not chump change either.
I see you still are ignoring where it has been pointed out that Bush and the Republicans have received large sums in illegal contributions. By the way Hillary is returning all the money Hsu raised. Will Bush and all the republicans do the same for contributions they received?

Is there any evidence of Bush receiving funds from Chinese sources or foreign money on the scale of the Clintons?

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You can continue to believe Hillary was and is clueless about what Norman Hsu was doing, but I seriously doubt it and will continue to follow the investigation.
And you can continue your double standard of Democrats are responsible for everything while Republicans are clueless.

Not a double standard. I am in favor of enforcing campaign finance law, but there are differences in how they are broken and which laws are broken, whether it is sloppy bookkeeping or intentional fraud, or whether it is foreign money, which I think is most serious, especially if it is a case of a foreign country influencing our elections and seeking other favors. If quid pro quo is proven, this borders on treason. There is a difference between speeding and highway robbery.

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Don't you think its time to roll back the stupid McCain Feingold bill?

No

I do. I happen to think it is a stupid law, and we've had more campaign finance problems since it went into law. But then again, if you love George Soros and his efforts to buy the country to turn into what he and you desire, then you like what is going on.

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Hsu got alot of his money from a Joel Rosenman, apparently known for instigating Woodstock. 40 million bucks.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118956680238724783.html?mod=blog

Read the above article and apparently the guy has a degree from Yale Law School. Hmmmm.... Keep up the research out there.

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I'm flabbergasted to learn that Joel Rosenman was involved in Woodstock. I think I remember that he wore a beard at the time. This is really important shitt Okie, keep up the good work.

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I will, dys, count on that. Whether you care or not doesn't matter.

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okie wrote:

I will, dys, count on that. Whether you care or not doesn't matter.

Outside of the 30% of Republicans in this country, nobody really cares. It's difficult to monitor the lives of everyone who donates to your campaign...

It's stunning to me, that someone could get so indignant about corruption in one party, and basically completely ignore the corruption in the other party. I've never seen you go after a Republican like this...

Cycloptichorn

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you can't possibly be serious about your "quid pro quo" arguments okie..

Bush donor gets Federal Oil contract

Halliburtion donations to GOP We are all aware of the no-bid contracts that Halliburton got in Iraq.

Yet with less evidence you are prepared to accuse the Clintons of quid pro quo.

If nothing else you are proving that RWers are clueless when it comes to campaign donations.

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Was the oil reserve contract no bid?

Who else besides Halliburton, or Brown & Root, is capable of doing alot of the work they are doing in Iraq?

I have advocated total elimination of donations by corporations.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:
I will, dys, count on that. Whether you care or not doesn't matter.

Outside of the 30% of Republicans in this country, nobody really cares. It's difficult to monitor the lives of everyone who donates to your campaign...

It's stunning to me, that someone could get so indignant about corruption in one party, and basically completely ignore the corruption in the other party. I've never seen you go after a Republican like this...

Cycloptichorn

Ever since Hillary made 100 grand as an apparent political favor, or kickback, on a 1,000 investment, I have wondered why this woman is not in jail, and I continue to be amazed at the fact she and her husband skate. I do not want her as president of this country, and fail to see why the Democrats can't do better. If there is Republican corruption, the party generally turn on their own, but not so with Democrats. William Jefferson is still in office and you don't even hear about the guy anymore.

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parados wrote:

If nothing else you are proving that RWers are clueless when it comes to campaign donations.

No, I guess I don't understand how to play your crooked game, Parados. I admit, I don't understand how you can feel good about George Soros owning your party, but after all he bought it so he expects to own it. Move'on.org, yes Parados, thats the organization you can be proud of, call General Petraeus a betrayer. I admit I don't understand your party.

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okie wrote:

Was the oil reserve contract no bid?

So it is only quid pro quo if it was no bid? What contracts did a Clinton donor get without bidding?

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Who else besides Halliburton, or Brown & Root, is capable of doing alot of the work they are doing in Iraq?

Lots of companies could fail to build what they were contracted to for the price the contracted. However not all companies would commit fraud and over bill the government like Halliburtion and B&R have done.

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I have advocated total elimination of donations by corporations.

Your ignorance of existing laws is showing okie. Corporations can't donate.

But corporations create PACS that employees of that corporation donate to and then give to candidates in the name of the corporation.

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okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
I will, dys, count on that. Whether you care or not doesn't matter.

Outside of the 30% of Republicans in this country, nobody really cares. It's difficult to monitor the lives of everyone who donates to your campaign...

It's stunning to me, that someone could get so indignant about corruption in one party, and basically completely ignore the corruption in the other party. I've never seen you go after a Republican like this...

Cycloptichorn

Ever since Hillary made 100 grand as an apparent political favor, or kickback, on a 1,000 investment, I have wondered why this woman is not in jail, and I continue to be amazed at the fact she and her husband skate. I do not want her as president of this country, and fail to see why the Democrats can't do better. If there is Republican corruption, the party generally turn on their own, but not so with Democrats. William Jefferson is still in office and you don't even hear about the guy anymore.

They can do better, I agree, and his name is Barack Obama.

You may want to ask yourself how much money Bush's brother has earned off of a zero investment, thanks to his 'family connections,' if you're interested in that sort of thing...

Cycloptichorn

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okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
I will, dys, count on that. Whether you care or not doesn't matter.

Outside of the 30% of Republicans in this country, nobody really cares. It's difficult to monitor the lives of everyone who donates to your campaign...

It's stunning to me, that someone could get so indignant about corruption in one party, and basically completely ignore the corruption in the other party. I've never seen you go after a Republican like this...

Cycloptichorn

Ever since Hillary made 100 grand as an apparent political favor, or kickback, on a 1,000 investment, I have wondered why this woman is not in jail, and I continue to be amazed at the fact she and her husband skate. I do not want her as president of this country, and fail to see why the Democrats can't do better. If there is Republican corruption, the party generally turn on their own, but not so with Democrats. William Jefferson is still in office and you don't even hear about the guy anymore.

Funny stuff there okie.. How could you forget GW Bush sold his stake he bought in the Texas Rangers for millions after he bought it for a few hundred thousand. And while Bush only put up enough money for 1.8% of the Rangers he got 12% of the sales price. This was while he was governor of Texas. And you wonder why Hillary isn't in jail?

And before that Bush sold hundreds of thousands of shares of Harken while he was on the audit committee just before they released bad financial news. After they released the news the stock plummeted by 75%. But Bush "forgot" to file the proper paperwork on selling those shares until 8 months later. Bush's daddy was President at the time and the SEC didn't fine him.

And before that Harken bought out Bush Exploration Company which was basically bankrupt with no assets but Harken paid money for no assets because GW's dad's friends ran Harken. GW's dad was the VP of the US at the time. But you are just fine with GW running the country even though his business dealings are more questionable than Hillary's?

If Hillary had done what Bush did you would probably want her put to death.

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parados wrote:

But corporations create PACS that employees of that corporation donate to and then give to candidates in the name of the corporation.

Corporations should not be involved at all. Just my opinion. Corporations are created to do business, and shareholders would hold all kinds of political views, therefore it should not be a corporate function to give money.

Likewise, unions should not be allowed to be involved in campaign donations, since members theoretically have all kinds of political persuasions.

Political parties should be able to raise all kinds of money, as that is the purpose of their existence is to support their candidates.

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parados wrote:

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Funny stuff there okie.. How could you forget GW Bush sold his stake he bought in the Texas Rangers for millions after he bought it for a few hundred thousand. And while Bush only put up enough money for 1.8% of the Rangers he got 12% of the sales price. This was while he was governor of Texas. And you wonder why Hillary isn't in jail?

And how long did he hold his stake to make that kind of money? It is not unusual for owners of sports teams to turn alot of profit after owning a team.

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And before that Bush sold hundreds of thousands of shares of Harken while he was on the audit committee just before they released bad financial news. After they released the news the stock plummeted by 75%. But Bush "forgot" to file the proper paperwork on selling those shares until 8 months later. Bush's daddy was President at the time and the SEC didn't fine him.

And before that Harken bought out Bush Exploration Company which was basically bankrupt with no assets but Harken paid money for no assets because GW's dad's friends ran Harken. GW's dad was the VP of the US at the time. But you are just fine with GW running the country even though his business dealings are more questionable than Hillary's?

If Hillary had done what Bush did you would probably want her put to death.

I have been aware of the Harkin deal. I am not happy about it. If there was something criminal, and senior Bush pulled strings, then Bush should be sitting in jail. Along with Hillary.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

They can do better, I agree, and his name is Barack Obama.

You may want to ask yourself how much money Bush's brother has earned off of a zero investment, thanks to his 'family connections,' if you're interested in that sort of thing...

Cycloptichorn

I agree, I think Obama is a big step up. I am waiting to see if big media decides at some point that Hillary might have too much baggage and shift their support to Obama, at which time the entire dynamics of the Democratic Party could change. I am hoping that happens and they send Hillary and Bill packing. But I don't think there is a great chance for that, but only a slight one. The Clintonistas still have a stranglehold on the power structure.

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