80
   

When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
roger
 
  2  
Sat 1 Aug, 2015 04:00 pm
@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

The emails reported by McClatchy which were from five different intelligence agencies were not classed as classified but were classed as secret. So far Hillary is correct when she says she didn't use her personal server for classified information.


I'm not quite sure what this means. When I was in the service, there were only three levels of security clearance: Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. There could be enhancements like Top Secret/Crypto as an example. Civilian agencies such as DOE might use different systems, but within the military, a document classed as secret would clearly be a classified document.
revelette2
 
  3  
Sat 1 Aug, 2015 04:04 pm
@roger,
Well, you already know more than me. I am just going by what was reported and what the officials said.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sat 1 Aug, 2015 04:13 pm
Its ironic. If she'd just get it out open and in front and on top of and said that she had put some classified information up, she'd be seeking forgiveness and not having a loooong series explanations over how she didn't know classified stuff got on that server!

Instead of doing what she and Bill did when they gave the interview where she said said she forgave Bill for infidelity she did what Ronald Reagan did when he claimed he may have armed the Nicaraguans but he didn't remember.

I can't believe with Bill Clinton and all his crew behind her she bobbled this one so badly. And she was by law allowed to use an outside server.
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sat 1 Aug, 2015 04:29 pm
@snood,
My first problem was when Hillary announced that the US had gotten two Presidents with one vote when we elected Bill Clinton. I had just voted for GHW Bush and that po'd me.

I do think if she had chilled some of the arrogance of being young, liberal, white and always one of the smartest people in every room we missed an opportunity to have some sort of single payer health care. Instead she po'd everybody and we nothing till we got the half loaf of ACA.

But I think she thinks the average person is slow and stupid and that in the end everybody will have no choice but accede her brilliance. And I just don't buy it.

The sick part is I voted to re-elect President Clinton and the eight years he led were golden. At the same time his was the administration that deregulated banks so we got low interest, high fees,derivatives; NSA access all e-mails, the beginning of serious frackery, the design of Keystone, three strike laws, manditory sentencing, the rise of the private prison industry, NAFTA.......

And I'd vote to give him another four or eight.

But Hillary? No way.

Go figure.
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sat 1 Aug, 2015 04:37 pm
@izzythepush,
I think if we had to deal directly with the human misery we wouldn't be trying so hard to maintain political borders set up after world war I by UK and France cutting up Ottoman Empire - with mythical "royal" families that were set up to maximize oil profits US, UK, Franco Corporations by destabilizing each regime enough to keep them from demanding too much and without bringing the entire middle east into collapse.

Sound about right?
roger
 
  2  
Sat 1 Aug, 2015 04:42 pm
@revelette2,
I'm quite familiar with the difference between professional and common use of identical terms, and I'm sure that's what's going on here. People often say their new car depreciated by $2,000 as soon as they drove it off the lot. This would drive an accountant nuts.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sat 1 Aug, 2015 04:50 pm
Judge wants Clinton certification on emails
Source: Politico

A federal judge has ordered the State Department to ask Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to certify under penalty of perjury that she has turned over some of the work-related emails she kept on a private server during the four years she served as secretary of state.

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan issued the order Friday in connection with a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit the conservative group Judicial Watch filed in 2013 seeking records about the employment status of Clinton aide Huma Abedin, who worked as Clinton's deputy chief of staff but later transferred to a part-time job as a so-called "special government employee."

The State Department told Judicial Watch last year that all records about the arrangement had been disclosed, but after Clinton's use of a private email account for official business was revealed earlier this year, Judicial Watch moved to reopen the lawsuit. Abedin was also revealed to have used an account on the same server.

Sullivan's order is just the latest in a flurry of legal moves turning up the heat on Clinton over the email controversy. Another federal judge who is handling a FOIA lawsuit brought by the Associated Press, Richard Leon, has repeatedly lashed out at the department over its handing of requests for Clinton's records. State now faces about 30 lawsuits seeking some or all of the Clinton emails and playing out in front of a variety of different judges.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/08/judge-wants-clinton-to-certify-shes-turned-over-some-211652.html
RABEL222
 
  2  
Sat 1 Aug, 2015 11:16 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:

This story is the perfect example of how facts are twisted to try to attack Clinton.
Lack of facts are not facts. Guilt by association is not something we normally do in the US but when it comes to politics, everything seems to be OK.


Especially if your a republican who dosent care for facts.
0 Replies
 
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 01:10 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Yes, but you've got so much room and so many religious nutters in America as it is, you'd barely notice.

They'd probably vote Republican though.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 02:22 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Do as you say - not as you do, huh? No thanks. You're no icon of decency or measured opinions. Not sure why you think you're in a position to tell people what to do.

Step off the behavior police routine or I'll relieve myself of seeing your posts and you can school the echo chamber.


Do what you want, Lash.

If you start to ignore me...I will try to live with it...hard as that might be.

I was responding to your post.

You are the one who has escalated the negative tone of the discussion between us...not I.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 03:44 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

I'm quite familiar with the difference between professional and common use of identical terms, and I'm sure that's what's going on here. People often say their new car depreciated by $2,000 as soon as they drove it off the lot. This would drive an accountant nuts.

Pardon my ignorance, but why would this drive an accountant nuts?
Lash
 
  1  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 06:32 am
@bobsal u1553115,
What??? Someone actually expects a straight answer from the most prolific liar in American politics??? Please pass me some popcorn.
Lash
 
  1  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 06:36 am
@Frank Apisa,
Well, let's just bump it. I won't be seeing you. I'm tired of seeing huge bolded blocks of page filled with you saying the same thing ad nauseum.

For others interested in how Hillary plays to progressives: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

She's a FIRO. Feminist in Rhetoric Only.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 07:37 am

WASHINGTON—After several seconds spent sitting motionless and glaring directly into the camera, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reportedly began Sunday’s video announcing her 2016 presidential bid by warning the nation not to **** this up for her.

“Listen up, assholes, ’cause I’m only saying this once: I’ve worked way too goddamn hard to let you morons blow this thing for me,” said Clinton, repeatedly jabbing her index finger toward the viewers at home while adding that if they thought she was going to simply sit back and watch them dick her over like they did in 2008, they were out of their ******* minds.

“Seriously, don’t you dare even think about it. If you shitheads can just get in line, we can breeze through this whole campaign in 19 months and be done with it. Or, if you really want, we can do this the hard way. Because make no mistake, I’m not ******* around. Got it?” Clinton then ended her announcement by vowing to fight for a better future for all working-class families like the one she grew up in.

http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-to-nation-do-not-****-this-up-for--38416
0 Replies
 
revelette2
 
  4  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 07:42 am
@Lash,
I haven't went to the page, for some reason, my computer seems to freeze up when I press on links, I need to see what the problem is soon.

But, anyway, Hillary has always been a feminist even through times it isn't popular. Look at her record for feminist issues she either promoted, supported or voted for.

Hillary On The Issues
bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 09:55 am
Sanders’ run is good for Democrats in long run, Klobuchar says at La Vista dinner
Source: Omaha World Herald

By Robynn Tysver

U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar may be in Hillary Clinton’s corner, but that doesn’t mean she has anything negative to say about Bernie Sanders.

Klobuchar, who was the keynote speaker Saturday at a Democratic dinner in La Vista, said Sanders’ campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination was good for Clinton’s campaign as well as for Democrats in general.

“Bernie has a heartfelt message. He has something to say, and I don’t think it’s all that much different from Hillary,” said Klobuchar, the senior senator from Minnesota whose name was bandied about earlier this year as a possible presidential contender.

However, instead of running, Klobuchar chose to back Clinton, who is considered the front-runner in the five-person race for the Democratic nomination for president next year.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/sanders-run-is-good-for-democrats-in-long-run-klobuchar/article_0321647f-cf4c-5c12-ae44-734f3147f314.html
0 Replies
 
Lash
 
  0  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 10:02 am
@revelette2,
I think your ability to evaluate political candidates would improve dramatically if you see what they've DONE rather than what they say. You've given me no evidence that helps me believe Hillary is a true feminist.

I expect someone in politics who claims to be a feminist to have voted for policies that strengthen equality for women and directly affects women in a positive way. When they see injustice toward women, the *least* I expect them to do is to stand up and be heard condemning those acts - not be quiet and profit from it as Hillary did on the board of WalMart...

Let's take a look at some of the things she has done. I brought the article for others who may be click-impaired.

(all bolded for emphasis, mine)

A group of 250 academics and activists calling themselves “Feminists for Clinton” praised her “powerful, inspiring advocacy of the human rights of women” and her “enormous contributions” as a policymaker.

Since then, NOW and other mainstream women’s organizations have been eagerly anticipating her 2016 candidacy. Clinton and supporters have recently stepped up efforts to portray her as a champion of both women’s and LGBT rights.

Such depictions have little basis in Clinton’s past performance. While she has indeed spoken about gender and sexual rights with considerable frequency, and while she may not share the overtly misogynistic and anti-LGBT views of most Republican politicians, as a policymaker she has consistently favored policies devastating to women and LGBT persons.

Why, then, does she continue to enjoy such support from self-identified feminists? Part of the answer surely lies in the barrage of sexist attacks that have targeted her and the understandable desire of many feminists to see a woman in the Oval Office.

But that’s not the whole story. We suggest that feminist enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton is reflective of a profound crisis of US liberal feminism, which has long embraced or accepted capitalism, racism, empire, and even heterosexism and transphobia.

Making Profit and War

All issues of wealth, power, and violence are also women’s and LGBT rights issues. For instance, neoliberal economic policies of austerity and privatization disproportionately hurt women and LGBT individuals, who are often the lowest paid and the first workers to be fired, the most likely to bear the burdens of family maintenance, and the most affected by the involuntary migration, domestic violence, homelessness, and mental illness that are intensified by poverty.

Clinton’s record on such issues is hardly encouraging. Her decades of service on corporate boards and in major policy roles as first lady, senator, and secretary of state give a clear indication of where she stands.

One of Clinton’s first high-profile public positions was at Walmart, where she served on the board from 1986 to 1992. She “remained silent” in board meetings as her company “waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers,” as an ABC review of video recordings later noted.

Clinton recounts in her 2003 book Living History that Walmart CEO Sam Walton “taught me a great deal about corporate integrity and success.” Though she later began trying to shed her public identification with the company in order to attract labor support for her Senate and presidential candidacies, Walmart executives have continued to look favorably on her, with Alice Walton donating the maximum amount to the “Ready for Hillary” Super PAC in 2013. Walton’s $25,000 donation was considerably higher than the average annual salary for Walmart’s hourly employees, two-thirds of whom are women.

After leaving Walmart, Clinton became perhaps the most active first lady in history. While it would be unfair to hold her responsible for all of her husband’s policies, she did play a significant role in shaping and justifying many of them. In Living History she boasts of her role in gutting US welfare: “By the time Bill and I left the White House, welfare rolls had dropped 60 percent” — and not because poverty had dropped.

Women and children, the main recipients of welfare, have been the primary victims. Jeffrey St Clair at Counterpunch notes that prior to welfare reform, “more than 70 percent of poor families with children received some kind of cash assistance. By 2010, less than 30 percent got any kind of cash aid and the amount of the benefit had declined by more than 50 percent from pre-reform levels.”

Clinton also lobbied Congress to pass her husband’s deeply racist crime bill, which, Michelle Alexander observes in The New Jim Crow, “escalated the drug war beyond what conservatives had imagined possible,” expanding mass incarceration and the death penalty.

Arguably the two most defining features of Clinton’s tenures as senator (2001–2009) and secretary of state (2009–2013) were her promotion of US corporate profit-making and her aggressive assertion of the US government’s right to intervene in foreign countries.

Reflecting on this performance as Clinton left her secretary post in January 2013, Bloomberg Businessweek commented that “Clinton turned the State Department into a machine for promoting U.S. business.” She sought “to install herself as the government’s highest-ranking business lobbyist,” directly negotiating lucrative overseas contracts for US corporations like Boeing, Lockheed, and General Electric. Not surprisingly, “Clinton’s corporate cheerleading has won praise from business groups.”

Clinton herself has been very honest about this aim, albeit not when speaking in front of progressives. Her 2011 Foreign Policy essay on “America’s Pacific Century” speaks at length about the objective of “opening new markets for American businesses,” containing no fewer than ten uses of the phrases “open markets,” “open trade,” and permutations thereof.

A major focus of this effort is the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which involves twelve Pacific countries and is being secretly negotiated by the Obama administration with the assistance of over six hundred corporate advisers.

Like Bill Clinton’s North American Free Trade Agreement, the deal is intended to further empower multinational corporations at the expense of workers, consumers, and the environment in all countries involved. Lower wages and increased rates of displacement, detention, and physical violence for female and LGBT populations are among the likely consequences, given the results of existing “free trade” agreements.

Clinton’s Foreign Policy article also elaborates on the role of US military power in advancing these economic goals. The past “growth” of eastern Asia has depended on “the security and stability that has long been guaranteed by the U.S. military,” and “a more broadly distributed military presence across the region will provide vital advantages” in the future.

Clinton thus reaffirms the bipartisan consensus regarding the US’s right to use military force abroad in pursuit of economic interest — echoing, for instance, her husband’s secretary of defense, William Cohen, who in 1999 reserved the right to “the unilateral use of military power” in the name of “ensuring uninhibited access to key markets, energy supplies, and strategic resources.”

In the Middle East and Central Asia, Clinton has likewise defended the US’s right to violate international law and human rights. As senator she not only voted in favor of the 2003 invasion of Iraq — a monstrous crime that has killed hundreds of thousands of people while sowing terror and sectarianism across the region — she was an outspoken advocate of the invasion and a fierce critic of resistance within the United Nations (UN).

Since then she has only partially disavowed that position (out of political expediency) while speaking in paternalistic and racist terms about Iraqis. Senator Clinton was also an especially staunch supporter — even by the standards of the US Congress — of Israel’s illegal military actions and settlement activity in the occupied territories.

As Barack Obama’s secretary of state, she presided over the expansion of illegal drone attacks that by conservative estimates have killed many hundreds of civilians, while reaffirming US alliances with vicious dictatorships. As she recounts in her 2014 memoir Hard Choices, “In addition to our work with the Israelis, the Obama Administration also increased America’s own sea and air presence in the Persian Gulf and deepened our ties to the Gulf monarchies.”

Clinton herself is widely recognized to have been one of the administration’s most forceful advocates of attacking or expanding military operations in Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria and of strengthening US ties to dictatorships in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Morocco, and elsewhere. Maybe the women and girls of these countries, including those whose lives have been destroyed by US bombs, can take comfort in knowing that a “feminist” helped craft US policy.

Secretary Clinton and her team worked to ensure that any challenges to US–Israeli domination of the Middle East were met with brute force and various forms of collective punishment. On Iran, she often echoes the bipartisan line that “all options must remain on the table” — a flagrant violation of the UN Charter’s prohibition of “the threat or use of force” in international relations — and brags in Hard Choices that her team “successfully campaigned around the world to impose crippling sanctions” on the country.

She ensured that Palestine’s UN statehood bid “went nowhere in the Security Council.” Though out of office by the time Israel launched its savage 2014 assault on Gaza, she ardently defended it in interviews. This context helps explain her recent praise for Henry Kissinger, renowned for bombing civilians and supporting governments that killed and tortured hundreds of thousands of suspected dissidents. She writes in the Washington Post that she “relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state.”

Militarization and Its Benefits

In another domain of traditional US ownership, Latin America, Clinton also seems to have followed Kissinger’s example. As confirmed in her 2014 book, she effectively supported the 2009 military overthrow of left-of-center Honduran President Manuel Zelaya — a “caricature of a Central American strongman” — by pushing for a “compromise” solution that endorsed his illegal ouster.

She has advocated the application of the Colombia model — highly militarized “anti-drug” initiatives coupled with neoliberal economic policies — to other countries in the region, and is full of praise for the devastating militarization of Mexico over the past decade. That militarization has resulted in eighty thousand or more deaths since 2006, including the forty-three Mexican student activists disappeared (and presumably massacred) in September 2014.

In the Caribbean, the US model of choice is Haiti, where Clinton and her husband have relentlessly promoted the sweatshop model of production since the 1990s. WikiLeaks documents show that in 2009 her State Department collaborated with subcontractors for Hanes, Levi’s, and Fruit of the Loom to oppose a minimum-wage increase for Haitian workers. After the January 2010 earthquake she helped spearhead the highly militarized US response.

Militarization has plentiful benefits, as Clinton understands. It can facilitate corporate investment, such as the “gold rush” that the US ambassador described following the Haiti earthquake. It can keep in check nonviolent dissidents, such as hungry Haitian workers or leftist students in Mexico. And it can help combat the influence of countries like Venezuela that have challenged neoliberalism and US geopolitical control.

These goals have long motivated US hostility toward Cuba, and thus Clinton’s recent call for ending the US embargo against Cuba was pragmatic, not principled: “It wasn’t achieving its goals” of overthrowing the government, as she says in her recent book. The goal there, as in Venezuela, is to compel the country to “restore private property and return to a free market economy,” as she demanded of Venezuela in 2010.

A reasonable synopsis of Clinton’s record around the world comes from neoconservative policy adviser Robert Kagan, who, like Clinton, played an important role in advocating the 2003 Iraq invasion. “I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Kagan told the New York Times last June. Asked what to expect from a Hillary Clinton presidency, Kagan predicted that “if she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue, it’s something that might have been called neocon.” But, he added, “clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”

Narrowly Defined Rights

What about Clinton’s record on that narrower set of issues more commonly associated with women’s and LGBT rights — control over one’s reproductive system and freedom from discrimination and sexual violence?

Perhaps the best that can be said is that Clinton does not espouse the medieval view of female bodily autonomy shared by most Republicans, and does not actively encourage homophobia and transphobia. She has consistently said that abortion should remain legal (but “rare”) and that birth control should be widely available, and when in office generally acted in accord with those statements. She has recently voiced support for gay marriage rights. These positions are worth something, even if they are mainly a reflection of pressure from below.

But nor does her record on these rights merit glowing praise. In addition to partly capitulating to the far-right anti-choice agenda in Congress, with disproportionate harm to low-income parents, Clinton and other Democrats have also actively undermined these rights. Some observers have argued that Clinton’s repetition of the Democratic slogan that abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare”reinforces the stigmatization of those who choose that option.

Her narrow definition of reproductive rights — as abortion and contraception only — does not allow much in the way of material support for parents or young children. She insists that abortion must remain “rare,” but has also helped deprive poor expecting parents of the financial support they would need to raise a child (for instance, through the 1996 welfare reform and the fiscal austerity for social programs that has become the bipartisan consensus in Washington).

She has supported the further militarization of the Mexico border and the arrest of undocumented immigrants, undermining the reproductive rights of women who give birth in chains in detention centers before being deported back to lives of poverty and violence.

Regarding non-discrimination, Clinton’s record is also worse than her reputation suggests. Her old company Walmart, widely accused of discriminating against women employees, was recently praised by the Clinton Foundation for its “efforts to empower girls and women.”

Clinton has given little serious indication that she opposes discrimination against LGBT individuals in the workplace (which is still legal in the majority of US states). Her very recent reversal of her opposition to gay marriage came only after support for the idea has become politically beneficial and perhaps necessary for Democrats. At best, Clinton in these respects has been a cautious responder to progressive political winds rather than a trailblazing leader.

Clinton’s foreign policy record is even more at odds with her reputation as a champion of women’s and LGBT rights. Her policy of support for the 2009 coup in Honduras has been disastrous for both groups. Violent hate crimes against LGBT Hondurans have skyrocketed. In mid-2014, leading LGBT activist Nelson Arambú reported 176 murders against LGBT individuals since 2009, an average of about 35 per year, compared to just over 1 per year from 1994–2009.

Arambú located this violence within the broader human rights nightmare of post-coup Honduras, noting the contributions of US-funded militarization and the post-coup governments’ pattern of “shutting down government institutions charged with promoting and protecting the human rights of vulnerable sectors of the population — such as women, children, indigenous communities, and Afro-Hondurans.” Clinton has been worse than silent on the situation, actively supporting and praising the post-coup governments.

In a review of her work as secretary of state, Middle East scholar Stephen Zunes concludes that while “Hillary Clinton has been more outspoken than any previous Secretary of State regarding the rights of women and sexual minorities,” this position is “more rhetoric than reality.”

As one example he points to the US-backed monarchy in Morocco, which has long occupied Western Sahara with US support. Two weeks after Secretary Clinton publicly praised the dictatorship for having “protected and expanded” women’s rights, a teenage girl named Amina Filali committed suicide by taking rat poison. Filali had been raped at age fifteen and then “forced to marry her rapist, who subsequently battered and abused her.”

Although Clinton’s liberal supporters are likely to lament such details as exceptions within an impressive overall record (“She’s still much better than a Republican!”), it is quite possible that her actions have harmed feminist movements worldwide. As Zunes argues:

Given Clinton’s backing of neo-liberal economic policies and war-making by the United States and its allies, her advocacy of women’s rights overseas . . . may have actually set back indigenous feminist movements in the same way that the Bush administration’s “democracy-promotion” agenda was a serious setback to popular struggles for freedom and democracy. . . .

Hillary Clinton’s call for greater respect for women’s rights in Muslim countries never had much credibility while US-manufactured ordinance is blowing up women in Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Base Building

This summary of Clinton’s “enormous contributions” (as Feminists for Clinton puts it) is just a partial sampling. On almost all other major issues, from climate change to immigration to education to financial regulation, President Hillary Clinton would likely be no better than President Obama, if not worse.

As in the case of Obama, it is of course necessary for Clinton to “call it something else,” in Robert Kagan’s words. The stark disjunction between rhetoric and policies reflects a well understood logic. Mainstream US political candidates, particularly Democrats, must find ways to attract popular support while simultaneously reassuring corporate and financial elites.

The latter, for their part, usually understand the need for a good dose of “populism” during a campaign, and accept it as long as it stays within certain bounds and is not reflected in policy itself. One former aide to Bill Clinton, speaking to The Hill last July, compared this rhetorical strategy to threading a needle, saying that “good politicians — and I think Hillary is a good politician — are good at threading needles, and I think there’s probably a way to do it.”

Hillary Clinton faces the challenge of convincing voters that she is a champion of “people historically excluded,” as she claims in her 2014 memoir. Last year, The Hill reported that “Clinton is now test-driving various campaign themes,” including the familiar progressive promises to “increase upward mobility” and “decrease inequality.” Her memoirs, for those who dare to suffer through them, include invocations of dead leftists like Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman (“one of my heroines”), and Martin Luther King Jr (referenced nine times in Clinton’s 2003 book).

This public relations work requires that her past record be hidden from view, lest it create a credibility problem. Here Clinton has enjoyed the assistance of many liberal feminists. One former Obama staffer, speaking to The Hill, notes Clinton’s successful efforts “to co-opt the base groups in the past eight years.”

Rhetoric is not totally meaningless. The extent to which politicians like Clinton have been compelled to portray themselves — however cynically — as champions of the rights of workers, women, LGBT people, and other “historically excluded” groups is an indication that popular pressures for those rights have achieved substantial force.

In the case of LGBT rights this rhetorical shift is very recent, and reflects a growth in the movement’s power that is to be celebrated. But taking politicians’ rhetoric at face value is one of the gravest errors that a progressive can make.

The Feminists Not Invited

Liberal feminists’ support of Clinton is not just due to credulousness, though. It also reflects a narrowness of analysis, vision, and values. In the US feminism is often understood as the right of women — and wealthy white women most of all — to share in the spoils of capitalism and US imperial power. By not confronting the exclusion of non-whites, foreigners, working-class people, and other groups from this vision, liberal feminists are missing a crucial opportunity to create a more inclusive, more powerful movement.

Alternative currents within the feminist movement, both in the US and globally, have long rejected this impoverished understanding of feminism. For them, feminism means confronting patriarchy but also capitalism, imperialism, white supremacy, and other forms of oppression that interlock with and reinforce patriarchy.

It means fighting to replace a system in which the rights of people and other living things are systematically subordinated to the quest for profits. It means fighting so that all people — everywhere on the gender, sexual and body spectrum — can enjoy basic rights like food, health care, housing, a safe and clean environment, and control over their bodies, labor, and identities.

This more holistic feminist vision is apparent all around the world, including among the women of places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran, whose oppression is constantly evoked by Western leaders to justify war and occupation.

The courageous Pakistani teenager Malala Yousafzai, awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for her feminist advocacy, has also criticized US drone attacks for killing civilians and aiding the Taliban. Yousafzai’s opposition to the Taliban won her adoring Western media coverage and an invitation to the Obama White House, but her criticism of drones has gone virtually unmentioned in the corporate media. Also unmentioned are her comments about socialism, which she says “is the only answer” to “free us from the chains of bigotry and exploitation.”

The Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) has equally opposed the Taliban, US-backed fundamentalist forces, and the US occupation. While liberal groups like Feminist Majority have depicted the US war as a noble crusade to protect Afghan women, RAWA says that the United States “has empowered and equipped the most traitorous, anti-democratic, misogynist and corrupt fundamentalist gangs in Afghanistan,” merely “replacing one fundamentalist regime with another.”

The logic is simple: US elites prefer the “bloody and suffocating rule of Afghanistan” by fundamentalist warlords “to an independent, pro-democracy, and pro-women’s rights government” that might jeopardize “its interests in the region.” Women’s liberation, RAWA emphasizes, “can be achieved only by the people of Afghanistan and by democracy-loving forces through a hard, decisive and long struggle.” Needless to say, Clinton and Obama have not invited the RAWA women to Washington.

A group of Iranian and Iranian-American feminists, the Raha Iranian Feminist Collective, takes a similar position in relation to their own country. In 2011 they bitterly condemned the Ahmadinejad government’s systematic violations of women’s rights (and those of other groups), but just as forcefully condemned “all forms of US intervention,” including the “crippling sanctions” that Clinton is so proud of her role in implementing.

The group said that sanctions “further immiserate the very people they claim to be helping,” and noted that few if any genuine grassroots voices in Iran had “called for or supported the US/UN/EU sanctions.”

In Latin America, too, many working-class feminists argue that the fight for gender and sexual liberation is inseparable from the struggles for self-determination and a just economic system. Speaking to NACLA Report on the Americas, Venezuelan organizer Yanahir Reyes recently lauded “all of the social policy” that has “focused on liberating women” under Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro, those evil autocrats so despised by Clinton.

This tradition of more holistic feminisms is not absent from the United States. In the nineteenth century, black women like Ida B. Wells and Sojourner Truth linked the struggles for abolition and suffrage and denounced the lynching campaigns that murdered black men and women in the name of “saving” white women. In contrast, leaders of the white suffrage movement like Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony refused to include people of color in the struggle for citizenship rights.

Unfortunately this history continues to be distorted. In 2008 Gloria Steinem, the standard-bearer of liberal feminism, said that she supported Clinton’s campaign over Obama’s in part because “black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot.”

The assumption that all women are equally oppressed by patriarchy (and that all men are equal oppressors) was fiercely challenged by US women of color, working-class women, and lesbians in the 1970s and 1980s. Feminists of color analyzed their gender and sexual oppression within the larger history of US slavery, capitalism, and empire.

In New York, the women of the Young Lords Party pushed their organization to denounce forced sterilizations of women of color, to demand safe and accessible abortion and contraception, and to call for community-controlled clinics. They redefined reproductive rights as the right to abortion and contraception and the right to have children without living in poverty.

In recent years, the radical LGBT movement has condemned the state, from prisons to the military, as the biggest perpetrator of violence against gender and sexual non-conforming peoples, particularly trans women of color and undocumented queers.

These queer radicals reject the logic that casts the United States and Israel as tolerant while characterizing occupied territories, from US to Palestinian ghettoes, as inherently homophobic and in need of military and other outside intervention. They condemn US wars and the Obama administration’s persecution of whistleblowers like Chelsea Manning (who helped expose, among other US crimes, military orders to ignore the sexual abuse of Iraqi detainees and the trafficking of Afghan children).

A more robust vision of feminism doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t defend women like Hillary Clinton against sexist attacks: we should, just as we defend Barack Obama against racist ones. But it does mean that we must listen to the voices of the most marginalized women and gender and sexual minorities — many of whom are extremely critical of Clintonite feminism — and act in solidarity with movements that seek equity in all realms of life and for all people.

These are the feminists not invited to the Hillary Clinton party, except perhaps to serve and clean up.
parados
 
  5  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 10:11 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I think your ability to evaluate political candidates would improve dramatically if you see what they've DONE rather than what they say.

An interesting argument Lash. So what exactly has your candidate of choice DONE?


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357
Other than naming a couple of Post Offices and a resolution to collect items for donation, I don't see much he's done that has managed to get passed in Congress.
revelette2
 
  3  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 10:23 am
@Lash,
Long list with a slanted version to boot.

I see nothing at all wrong with pro-business and a supporter of women rights, equality in the work place.

I thought the Clinton years welfare reform was a good thing as it had programs for women to obtain training or education for a job and had a program for day care services. (both my children have participated in it the past and have benefited from it.)

I see nothing wrong with her views on abortion, it should be rare as well a personal choice.

I am not sure the trade agreement is such a bad thing, it might be worse to be the only ones not participating in it. I understand that is an unpopular view. Unions need to be reformed or revamped so they don't promote negative things such as bad teachers or bad police officers. But I agree with Sanders we need to fight for unions.

Wal-Mart was an unfortunate choice for her but I don't see it as something that will make or break her.

I am not wild about Clinton for her Hawkish stance and her strong ties to Israel, I don't see her as objective between Israel and Palestine. However, any republican is worse. Bernie is better but I am not sure his ideas would ever get passed unless there was some kind of massive movement in the country and I am also not sure but some of his ideas are too extreme. There has to be a balance between the conservative view and an extreme liberal view.
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 11:48 am
Why Bernie Sanders can win.
First two paragraphs:

Recently there has been a lot of debate about whether Bernie Sanders can win the presidency. Beginning right around the time he started campaigning a number of articles have appeared in which the viability of his candidacy has been defended and, in my view, much that has been said in these articles is basically correct. In the past few weeks, however, the most noteworthy contributions to this debate have been articles in which it has been argued that Sanders cannot win. These include a July 8 article by New York Times columnist Nate Cohn in which Cohn argues that Sanders current momentum is not "built to last" and a July 22 article by former Massachusetts Representative Barney Frank in which Frank argues that progressives who support Sanders are guilty of "wishful thinking".

The Cohn and the Frank articles are thoughtful and they are worthwhile reading for anyone who is interested in the Democratic primary process. However, the conclusions that Cohn and Frank argue for are wrong: It is not true that Sanders momentum is not "built to last", nor is it true that those who support him are guilty of "wishful thinking". And the problem, it seems to me, is that Cohn and Frank both fail to take into consideration crucial facts about Sanders (and his message) that have the potential to be game changing.

http://wescammenga.com/2015/08/02/why-bernie-sanders-can-win/
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

The Pro Hillary Thread - Discussion by snood
get this woman out of my view/politics - Discussion by ossobuco
Hillary Clinton hospitalized - Discussion by jcboy
Has Hillary's Time Come? - Discussion by Phoenix32890
I WANT HILLARY TO RUN IN 2012 - Discussion by farmerman
Hillary's The Secretary Of State..It's Official - Discussion by Bi-Polar Bear
Hillary the "JOKESTER"?? - Discussion by woiyo
Hillary Rebuked by Iraqi Leader - Discussion by gungasnake
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.06 seconds on 04/26/2024 at 01:46:49