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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 01:57 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

What??? Someone actually expects a straight answer from the most prolific liar in American politics??? Please pass me some popcorn.


BSC!
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Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 01:58 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Well, let's just bump it. I won't be seeing you. I'm tired of seeing huge bolded blocks of page filled with you saying the same thing ad nauseum.

For others interested in how Hillary plays to progressives: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-feminism/

She's a FIRO. Feminist in Rhetoric Only.


Be careful of the door!
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roger
 
  2  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 03:28 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

roger wrote:

I'm quite familiar with the difference between professional and common use of identical terms, and I'm sure that's what's going on here. People often say their new car depreciated by $2,000 as soon as they drove it off the lot. This would drive an accountant nuts.

Pardon my ignorance, but why would this drive an accountant nuts?


Sorry for the delay. A close definition of depreciation is the allocation of the cost of an asset over it's expected useful life. It has nothing to do with value or resale price. For federal tax purposes, a passenger car can be depreciated over seven years, so a day or two of use/ownership is truly negligible. Do keep in mind that depreciation can not be used by individuals for tax purposes.
oralloy
 
  0  
Sun 2 Aug, 2015 04:00 pm
@roger,
New kitten??? (I notice your avatar.)
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Mon 3 Aug, 2015 12:23 pm
@roger,
Ah. Thank You.

So, what is the term, if there is one, for the decrease in value of people's cars once they drive them off of the dealers' lots?
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Mon 3 Aug, 2015 12:45 pm
@InfraBlue,
Depreciation. Don't make him explain it again!
RABEL222
 
  1  
Mon 3 Aug, 2015 03:06 pm
In answer to the title of this topic, when we decide we want a republican president.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Mon 3 Aug, 2015 03:58 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
HA, I meant the accountants' professional term. The one that wouldn't drive them nuts.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Mon 3 Aug, 2015 04:04 pm
@InfraBlue,
Do you know the secret accountants handshake or the password?
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bobsal u1553115
 
  5  
Mon 3 Aug, 2015 05:53 pm
"Bernie Sanders Discovers His Inner #BlackLivesMatter"--Interesting Read

by Evan McMorris-Santoro
BuzzFeed News Reporter


The man who put up a defensive front against black protesters at Netroots has discovered he has a record that appeals directly to their issues.

HOOKSETT, N.H. — This time, when Bernie Sanders got a direct question about what he can do to assist the growing Black Lives Matter movement, the Vermont senator was ready.

“As a white ally, what should we start doing tomorrow?” asked a young woman in the large and overwhelmingly white crowd at a town hall, held at Southern New Hampshire University. “In terms of political revolution?” she added.

Without a beat, Sanders ticked off the kind of focused answer that eluded him at Netroots in June. He spoke of fighting against the “absurdity” of the number of minorities in prison.

He took direct aim at police.

“Support a number of police reforms,” Sanders said to the young woman. “And it’s not just body cameras and so forth. It’s also issues of use of force. Being a cop is not an easy job, but force should be a last resort. Too often, it is almost the first resort.”

There’s nothing especially new about Sanders publicly questioning police tactics or railing against the American prison infrastructure and its outsize impact on young men of color. But after a careful listening tour with activists after the brouhaha at Netroots, a person familiar with Sanders’ thinking said the self-described Democratic Socialist learned he had to do more to tell his story to a movement uninterested in Civil Rights Movement nostalgia or being lectured to about the enduring economic divides that are the heart of Sanders’ campaign message.


So now, Sanders is trying to retell his story for a new audience.

On the campaign trail across six stops in New Hampshire this weekend, that meant a careful reading out of the names of black Americans who have died either at the hands of police or in police custody and are mentioned often by #BlackLivesMatter activists. The Sanders source said the candidate is as moved by these stories as anyone — when he was told a speech he had already scheduled in Texas was situated just 60 miles from the county jail where Sandra Bland died, he mentioned her death in his speech. A few days later, he told a crowd in Washington that Bland would not have died if she were white.

That kind of rhetoric has continued on the trail, and ramped up before the mostly white crowds in New Hampshire. At a stop in Exeter, Sanders said the police “were responsible” for Bland’s death. Throughout the weekend, he added mentions of Samuel Dubose to his stump, speaking repeatedly of his death as well as that of the half-dozen or so others.

“The police must be held accountable,” Sanders said at the SNHU stop.

Sanders supporters argue this is no pander. It’s Sanders being Sanders now that he understands the contours of a protest movement that clearly caught him off-guard at Netroots, they say. There, he responded to a #BlackLivesMatter disruption of a town hall event by chastising protesters that he had “spent 50 years fighting for civil rights and dignity.” That did not go over well among activists looking for specific, actionable solutions for ending the phyisical risk for black Americans that the activists say is caused by white supremacy.

Sanders is now trying very hard to project that he gets it. And that he always has gotten it.

A key part of Sanders’ brand is consistency — at a stop in Franklin, Ben Cohen (the Ben of Ben & Jerry’s and a frequent Sanders surrogate) told the crowd that he’s heard Sanders say the same things for so long “that if it wasn’t so inspiring, it would be boring.” The #BlackLivesMatter moment at Netroots and the ensuing backlash against Sanders from young black activists was jarring for Sanders supporters who generally view him as the lodestar for progressive values and are not used to leftists calling him anything less.


So Sanders has tweaked his stump speech by digging around into his record.

While mayor of Burlington, he said at one stop, he helped to create a community policing program like the ones now popular nationally among political leaders hoping to foster a better relationship between police and the people they serve. When executed properly, Sanders said in his last stop of the tour, police “are not seen as oppressors.”

Militarized police, “like the ones we saw in Ferguson,” Sanders said in a repeated line, are a danger to black lives and must be curtailed. Sanders has been talking about that since the fires in the Missouri town raged on TV in August 2014.

The private prison industry, long a Sanders target, gets a prominent mention in all of his stump speeches now, and is tied directly to a criminal justice structure that he says unfairly targets blacks.

But everything still comes back to the economic message. More than one month before Netroots, Sanders gave a speech about unemployment called “Youth Unemployment and Dr. King’s Dream,” which centered around a 51% black youth unemployment rate he found in a study he commissioned from the labor-backed Economic Policy Institute. (The figure has come under some scrutiny from fact-checkers.) The figure is now a central part of Sanders’ economic messaging as he talks about better jobs and better wages.

The billionaire class, which Sanders has forever said is stealing the country from the working Americans, is also one of the forces continuing to create a racial divide in the country, Sanders often argues.

“These guys are so powerful today. I know them. I know what Wall Street is about. I know what the Koch Brothers are about and the influence that they have,” he said at one stop in a version of a line he delivers at every stop. “But we have something they don’t. We have the people. And when the people stand together, when we do not allow them to divide us up on race, when we do not allow them to divide us up on gender, when we do not allow them to divide us up on sexual orientation, when we do not allow them to divide us up on whether we were born in America or born in Mexico. When we stand together, there is nothing that we cannot accomplish.”

Sanders is very careful to reach out to #BlackLivesMatter in every speech. He stops, reads the names off his printed notes, and says “Black lives matter” aloud often. He speaks of racism, he speaks of police. The Netroots protesters were heard, his team insists. Their cry is his cry.

“We have made progress,” Sanders said at the Exeter stop, “but we should all be aware that in terms of racism in terms of sexism, in terms of homophobia, we still have a long way to go.”

Sanders said that #BlackLivesMatter was a movement for all races to embrace.

MORE..GOOD READ AT.............

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-discovers-his-inner-blacklivesmatter#.xdDPgZJnZ
snood
 
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Mon 3 Aug, 2015 08:13 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
That's good stuff, bobsal. Good to see Sanders is facile enough to adjust fire - he needs to have strong outreach to blacks and latinos if he is going to have a prayer, and that's primaries OR general.
bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Mon 3 Aug, 2015 08:23 pm
@snood,
He's finally starting to engage. He's not a polished politician, nowhere as slick as Hillary Clinton.
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roger
 
  2  
Mon 3 Aug, 2015 09:18 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Ah. Thank You.

So, what is the term, if there is one, for the decrease in value of people's cars once they drive them off of the dealers' lots?


Sorry, there may be such a term but I would just call it loss of resale price.
Lash
 
  -1  
Tue 4 Aug, 2015 05:12 am
@parados,
Here's how he's spent his time - compared with Hillary Clinton profiting by employment with the richest corporations and cutting aid to families and supporting war. If you vote for Hillary, you're in fact a Republican. You just use the connotatively-favorable word to describe it.
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http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/20_examples_of_bernie_sanders_powerful_record_on_civil_and_human_rights_partner/
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 4 Aug, 2015 06:12 am
@roger,
Buyer's premium for "brand new".
snood
 
  5  
Tue 4 Aug, 2015 06:24 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

If you vote for Hillary, you're in fact a Republican.


All due respect Lash, but in the context of productively furthering the debate this has about the same effect as "Your momma wears combat boots".
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revelette2
 
  3  
Tue 4 Aug, 2015 06:54 am
Clinton hits Bush, Walker for 'full-on assault on women’s health'

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parados
 
  3  
Tue 4 Aug, 2015 07:44 am
@Lash,
So travelling somewhere to condemn war is an act you can get behind? What if someone has travelled more than one place to condemn war?

It's funny how much of that list tells us what Bernie SAID about something.
Bernie spoke up for Palestinians.
Bernie protested sending arms to Nicaragua.
Bernie called for abolishing anti gay laws
Bernie vocally condemned the death penalty
Bernie took the Clinton administration to task in a committee hearing.
Quote:
Sanders went further, saying that the “death and destruction caused” would “not be forgotten by the poor people of the Third World.”
(He went so far as to say something further than anyone else.)
Bernie condemned police violence.
Bernie called for expanding voting rights.


What was it you said again?

Quote:
I think your ability to evaluate political candidates would improve dramatically if you see what they've DONE rather than what they say.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 4 Aug, 2015 05:49 pm
http://s10.postimg.org/6h6knodc9/favorable.jpg
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roger
 
  1  
Tue 4 Aug, 2015 06:08 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
If sold at a loss, I could handle the loss.

That's all my digressions for this thread.
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