Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread V

Advocate wrote:

I saw McCain over the weekend, and it was pitiful. He thinks we have to have a victory in Iraq because, among other things, it would damage the morale of our military were we to pull out quickly.

I think staying in Iraq is damaging the morale of our military, not to mention the cost in military and civilian casualties, loss of treasury and standing, etc.

McG, at what point do you think we may we leave Iraq?

Some people just refuse to see the obvious signs that morale in the military is not only low, but fewer of them are re-upping even for the $20,000 bonus. They're now recruiting men with criminal records and without a high school diploma. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see that the morale is not only low, but more are getting killed and maimed every day.

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Advocate wrote:

I saw McCain over the weekend, and it was pitiful. He thinks we have to have a victory in Iraq because, among other things, it would damage the morale of our military were we to pull out quickly.

I think staying in Iraq is damaging the morale of our military, not to mention the cost in military and civilian casualties, loss of treasury and standing, etc.

Well, to address your post I must wonder... Who knows more about the military and it's morale... You, an anonymous internet forum user or a former POW Senator running for President.

I'll give you one guess who I give more credibility to.

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Advocate has my vote over McCain any day of the week. McCain came back from Iraq from his last visit and told us it was "safe" in Iraq. If that's credible, your observations are highly questionable if not wrong-headed.

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How about this guy? I think he knows more than you, McG

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18339.htm

what do you say to him?

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Endymion wrote:

How about this guy? I think he knows more than you, McG

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18339.htm

what do you say to him?

Question you should be asking is not does he know more then me, does he know more then McCain?

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McGentrix wrote:

Endymion wrote:
How about this guy? I think he knows more than you, McG

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18339.htm

what do you say to him?

Question you should be asking is not does he know more then me, does he know more then McCain?

The answer, of course, is yes - McCain doesn't know sh*t about sh*t when it comes to Iraq.

Cycloptichorn

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Endymion wrote:

How about this guy? I think he knows more than you, McG

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18339.htm

what do you say to him?

You mean this guy...

Quote:

Kokesh was a Sergeant for most of his enlistment, but was demoted to Corporal immediately before being discharged in late 2006 for illegally bringing a pistol he purchased in Iraq back to the United States

So,he violated USMC orders and US law to bring a souvenir home.

Since I also served in Iraq,does that mean I know as much as Kokesh?
And since my opinions are opposed to his,that makes mine just as correct.
So,since we are both correct,yet we disagree with each other,that means that we cancel each others opinions.

Knowing that,I will trust the generals and the men that are their now before I trust anyone that has never been there.

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mysteryman wrote:

Knowing that,I will trust the generals and the men that are their now before I trust anyone that has never been there.

Bullshit. You are going to trust only the ones who agree with your view.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
Knowing that,I will trust the generals and the men that are their now before I trust anyone that has never been there.

Bullshit. You are going to trust only the ones who agree with your view.

Unlike you and everyone else here?

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mysteryman wrote:

Since I also served in Iraq,does that mean I know as much as Kokesh?

You served in Iraq., mm? What is your assessment right now as to our chances of success?

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I am always interested in the reports that are made by retired generals. I'm not completely informed when it comes to the chains of command, but I assume speaking you mind while on active duty is strictly out of the question....hence the reams of dissent that comes from the retirees once they have fallen out of lock step.

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okie wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Since I also served in Iraq,does that mean I know as much as Kokesh?

You served in Iraq., mm? What is your assessment right now as to our chances of success?

I can hardly wait for MM's "assessment" probably something like "we just need to carpet bomb Cambodia for a weeks to stop the domino effect then nuke Grenada."

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candidone1 wrote:

I am always interested in the reports that are made by retired generals. I'm not completely informed when it comes to the chains of command, but I assume speaking you mind while on active duty is strictly out of the question....hence the reams of dissent that comes from the retirees once they have fallen out of lock step.

candidone, While on active duty, all soldiers must follow the CIC's command, and that happens to be Bush, the most incompetent leader of any country.

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mysteryman wrote:

Kokesh was a Sergeant for most of his enlistment, but was demoted to Corporal immediately before being discharged in late 2006 for illegally bringing a pistol he purchased in Iraq back to the United States

Is that the best you can do?

Adam Charles Kokesh
Branch: United States Marine Corps (USMC)
Rank: Sergeant
Home: Washington D.C.

I was a reservist attending Claremont McKenna College in January 2004 when I volunteered to transfer from November Battery 5/14 (artillery) which was not deploying, to the 3rd Civil Affairs Group which was leaving in less than a month. I served in the Fallujah area from February to September and recieved the Combat Action Ribbon and Navy Commendation medal for my service. While as soldiers who have taken an oath we all have a responsibility to support the system that ensures us the quality of life that we enjoy in America, we also have a responsibility as citizens to ensure that the system is held accountable to the American people and to the highest moral standard. I can be reached at [email protected] See also kokesh.blogspot.com

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18339.htm

I give credit where its due and listening to Kokesh make his speech on the link above WAS f*cking great.

Let's face it - Kokesh stood up and volunteered once to die for his country, because he wanted to protect it - and now he is volunteering to stand up again - for exactly the same reason, and no other. As he sees it - he swore an oath to protect his country and part of that oath includes having the courage to face the truth - for the sake of his country- even if it hurts like hell to have to do it

I watch someone make a brave move like that - a move that we thousands of us wish we had the balls to make and i wonder why any countryman of his would try and slag him with a pathetic attempt to discredit him within his career. Especially over a f*cking war trophy - are you for real?

And don't even start to presume you know anything about me - except this....

I don't care what your judgment of me or of Iraq is
To be honest, these days i couldn't give a flying monkey's what anyone, who has gone on supporting that war criminal in the White House thinks -
about anything.

But I guess at the end of the day, everyone has to make their own mind up who the true patriots are - and who the real terrorist is

Why we're against the war

http://www.ivaw.org/faq

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dyslexia wrote:

okie wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

Since I also served in Iraq,does that mean I know as much as Kokesh?

You served in Iraq., mm? What is your assessment right now as to our chances of success?

I can hardly wait for MM's "assessment" probably something like "we just need to carpet bomb Cambodia for a weeks to stop the domino effect then nuke Grenada."

Actually, I think its time to start coming home.
I am not saying we should abandon Iraq, but General Petraus(sp) has the right idea.
Lets bring the MEU that is there home now and not replace them.
Lets start leaving the areas that we have pacified and let the Iraqi forces do the job we trained them to do.

Would I go back if I could?
ABSOLUTELY!!!!

Do I think we did the right thing?
ABSOLUTELY!Every person I know that is still in Iraq is reporting the same thing..
We are making progress,the people are cooperating with the US,reporting insurgent hideouts and the locations of roadside bombs.

I have a close friend there that has told me of times that locals have eliminated snipers before the marines can find them,leaving the body for the marines.

There are still areas that are trouble,but in more and more areas the locals are cooperating with and actively helping the marines.

Dys,
Why would we need to bomb Cambodia or Grenada?
Cambodia was John Kerry's war,remember?
He has the memory "seared" into his brain of being in Cambodia,even though he later admitted he was never there.
And Grenada is our ally,not our enemy.

Endy,
You think its ok that Kokesh violated both USMC regs and US law?
And these ribbons...Combat Action Ribbon and Navy Commendation medal are meaningless.
EVERY person in the USMC or USN serving in Iraq has gotten them.
I have them also.
With them and $1 I can buy a cup of coffee in the PX.

Every person in Iraq wearing the uniform of the US military volunteered,so Kokesh is not special in that regard.

You apparently have no idea what is going on in Iraq,except from what you see on the news.

I will ALWAYS take the word of someone that is there before I will a politician.

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Man-o-man MM you are just too sharp for me (amazing considering I graduated the 8th grade)

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dys, You lied to me, you said you graduated 9th grade.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

dys, You lied to me, you said you graduated 9th grade.

I lied. I was trying to impress MM.

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Ah soo....

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Not only is Grenada your ally, it's also part of the British Commonwealth.

But that fact didn't bother Mr Reagan's planners much.....

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