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Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread V

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 07:53 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not sure why congress doesn't impeach the president and all the criminals in his administration. They also broke US and international laws, and crimes against humanity. What are they waiting for? A silver platter?


What legal entity, with the power to prosecute, has said Bush broke any laws?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 11:35 am
People who can't figure out who lies will never figure out what a crime is.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 11:39 am
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not sure why congress doesn't impeach the president and all the criminals in his administration. They also broke US and international laws, and crimes against humanity. What are they waiting for? A silver platter?


What legal entity, with the power to prosecute, has said Bush broke any laws?


There is no legal entity who has the power to do so other then the Legislature, who is still controlled in large part by Republicans who don't care about the law at all.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 11:50 am
Or, as Cyclo points out, a fraudulent government will also allow crimes to go unpunished. A republican congress would rather punish a president accused of having sex over a president who starts an illegal war.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 06:15 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not sure why congress doesn't impeach the president and all the criminals in his administration. They also broke US and international laws, and crimes against humanity. What are they waiting for? A silver platter?


What legal entity, with the power to prosecute, has said Bush broke any laws?


Phuck, you're a blind son of a bitch, MM. How can you stand to be around such a homer? Have you no sense of morality?

So this is that grand legal system that all were crowing about after Nixon was forced out of office; "This just shows that the Constitution works" The phucking constitution isn't worth a piece of dung if action isn't taken against these criminals.

Republican, Democrat, Independent, Communist, whatever, these elected representatives should act according to the rule of law. Acting along party lines simply makes the USA a banana republic, something it's awfully close to being right now.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:57 pm
JTT wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not sure why congress doesn't impeach the president and all the criminals in his administration. They also broke US and international laws, and crimes against humanity. What are they waiting for? A silver platter?


What legal entity, with the power to prosecute, has said Bush broke any laws?


Phuck, you're a blind son of a bitch, MM. How can you stand to be around such a homer? Have you no sense of morality?

So this is that grand legal system that all were crowing about after Nixon was forced out of office; "This just shows that the Constitution works" The phucking constitution isn't worth a piece of dung if action isn't taken against these criminals.

Republican, Democrat, Independent, Communist, whatever, these elected representatives should act according to the rule of law. Acting along party lines simply makes the USA a banana republic, something it's awfully close to being right now.


IF as you say, Bush has broken international law, then why has he not been indicted by the world court or any other legal entity?
I am not saying that laws werent broken, they might very well have been.

But, if they have, why no prosecution?
Even a county DA has the power to indict and prosecute the President if laws have been broken.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 01:08 pm
Let's face it; the president and members of congress swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and all have failed to do so. It's no wonder that the president and congress share a very low performance rating, but much more needs to be done - during election time to remove 99 percent of them. Most have failed to comply with the mandate to protect our Constitutionally protected rights as citizens.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2008 09:27 pm
Quote:


Iraq Conflict Has Killed A Million Iraqis: Survey


LONDON (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.

The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes.

The last complete census in Iraq conducted in 1997 found 4.05 million households in the country, a figure ORB used to calculate that approximately 1.03 million people had died as a result of the war, the researchers found.

The margin of error in the survey, conducted in August and September 2007, was 1.7 percent, giving a range of deaths of 946,258 to 1.12 million.

ORB originally found that 1.2 million people had died, but decided to go back and conduct more research in rural areas to make the survey as comprehensive as possible and then came up with the revised figure.


http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-iraq-deaths-survey.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2008 04:50 pm
Bush would rather spend 2.7 billion every week in Iraq (killing and maiming Iraqis to boot), and cut domestic programs. Makes a whole lot of sense doesn't it from this "compassionate conservative?"


Bush 2009 budget to freeze many programs By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 8 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - President Bush's 2009 budget will virtually freeze most domestic programs and seek nearly $200 billion in savings from federal health care programs, a senior administration official said Thursday. The Bush budget also will likely exceed $3 trillion, this official said.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 02:27 pm
From the paper today:

...a man unburdened by imagination inherited ... a cabinet unburdened by merit.


The web of wealth and family connections that has levered Bush to power and has since characterised his administration is an indictment of America's political culture. "George W Bush was named [after] a father who excelled at everything," argued Bush Jr's former speechwriter David Frum. "He tried everything his father tried - and well into his 40s, succeeded at almost nothing."

Therapy could have dealt with this quite effectively. Instead we have been afflicted with one of the most ostentatious and wrong-headed affirmative action programmes known to the western world, in which a man unburdened by imagination inherited - almost literally - a cabinet unburdened by merit.

His father's secretary of state (James Baker) oversaw the Florida recount in 2000 as chief legal adviser and was instrumental in taking the case to the supreme court. Once installed, Bush took his father's joint chief of staff (Colin Powell) and made him secretary of state; his father's defence secretary (Dick Cheney) became vice-president; his father's special assistant on national security affairs (Condoleezza Rice) became national security adviser; and in a fit of oedipal petulance, he took one of his dad's enemies (Donald Rumsfeld) and made him defence secretary.

Not only did such appointments set new lows for cronyism, sleaze, dysfunction and incompetence. But by drawing leadership from such a tiny gene puddle they reflected an aberration of the very democratic impulses and meritocratic culture with which most Americans identify and apparently cherish.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2251852,00.html
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 03:58 pm
I'm going to have to start using "unburdened" in my arguments. It gives even spurious arguments a touch of flair.

Not that my arguments are ever spurious .....
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:50 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
I'm going to have to start using "unburdened" in my arguments. It gives even spurious arguments a touch of flair.

Not that my arguments are ever spurious .....


Your arguments are always unburdened, Tico. Unburdened by the truth, unburdened by their paucity, unburdened by anything thoughtful.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:40 pm
Argue this.

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Poll respondents were asked which political party they trusted to do a better job on various issues:

* The economy: Dems led Republicans, 52% to 33%

* Immigration: Dems led Republicans, 40% to 37%

* Iraq: Dems led Republicans, 48% to 34%

* The budget deficit: Dems led Republicans, 52% to 31%

* Taxes: Dems led Republicans, 48% to 40%

* The U.S. campaign against terrorism: Dems led Republicans, 44% to 37%

* Health care: Dems led Republicans, 56% to 29%

http://crooksandliars.com/

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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 06:19 pm
sigh

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When Saddam Hussein fell, there were more than 1,000 western reporters in Iraq. Today, at any given time, there are about 50.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/29/pressandpublishing.digitalmedia1/print
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2008 09:20 pm
blatham wrote:
sigh

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When Saddam Hussein fell, there were more than 1,000 western reporters in Iraq. Today, at any given time, there are about 50.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/29/pressandpublishing.digitalmedia1/print


Interesting how you seemed to ignore much of the thread you linked, in favor of that one phrase.
So, lets look at the rest of it...

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To begin with, we have endured nearly seven years of the most press-phobic government in a couple of generations. I don't intend to blame the plight of the newspaper business on George Bush. He did not invent our great disrupter, the internet. (That, you recall, was Al Gore.) The Bush administration has merely fed a current of public antipathy that has been running against us for a long time, a consequence of our own failings and, perhaps, a tendency to blame the messenger when news is bad. But Mr Bush has contributed to that unwelcoming environment in at least two significant ways.


So, Bush is not responsible for the sad shape newspaperes are in today.
Isnt that interesting.

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And then there is the business of our business. As has been widely reported, many daily newspapers are staggering from an exodus of subscribers, a migration of advertisers to the web, and the rising costs of just about everything. Newspapers are closing bureaus and hollowing out their reporting staffs.


Tell us again how this is Bush's fault?

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A journalism professor at the University of North Carolina, named Philip Meyer, has done some studies about the decline of American newspaper readership. His extrapolation of the data shows that, if newspapers do nothing to change their ways, they will lose their very last reader in the year 2044. In October, if you want to mark your calendars.


So,newspapers must fix themselves?
How is this Bush's responsibility?

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When Saddam Hussein fell, there were more than 1,000 western reporters in Iraq. Today, at any given time, there are about 50.


Tell us all how the Bush admin is stopping newspapers from sending reporters to Iraq?
And then tell us how its Bush's responsibility to gaurantee their safety?

So while it was an interesting speech, I fail to see how you can honestly blame Bush for the woes of journalism that the speaker is talking about.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 01:26 pm
mysteryman wrote:




Interesting how you seemed to ignore much of the thread you linked, in favor of that one phrase.
So, lets look at the rest of it...

Tell us all how the Bush admin is stopping newspapers from sending reporters to Iraq?
And then tell us how its Bush's responsibility to gaurantee their safety?

So while it was an interesting speech, I fail to see how you can honestly blame Bush for the woes of journalism that the speaker is talking about.


SIGH Rolling Eyes
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 01:43 pm
You probably didn't mean to crop the article just at this point ...

mysteryman wrote:
But Mr Bush has contributed to that unwelcoming environment in at least two significant ways.

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because now you have to admit that you know there was more in that article.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2008 07:46 pm
Quote:
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 03:51 am
JTT wrote:
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There was a big (prizewinning) documentary shown here on TV recently about this topic which picked over the whole bloody shambles and concluded that as far as the planning for the post-invasion situation in Iraq is concerned, wherever a mistake was possible or an option offered, a mistake was made or the wrong option chosen.

In particular, but by no means solely, the decision to disband the Iraqi Army at the time it was done, with no alternatives in place.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:04 am
ehBeth wrote:
You probably didn't mean to crop the article just at this point ...

mysteryman wrote:
But Mr Bush has contributed to that unwelcoming environment in at least two significant ways.



because now you have to admit that you know there was more in that article.[/quote]

I cropped it at that point on purpose.

"Contributed to" is in no way the equal of "caused".
I agree that Bush has contributed to the demise of journalism,but I wont say he is totally responsible.
The speaker outlined several reasons that journalism (newspapers) are on the demise, and most of them have nothing to do with Bush.
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