Ticomaya wants it both ways: Bush and his henchmen informed the congress, the American public, and the world, that Saddam had WMDs.
Now, people like Ticomaya wants to argue symantics; not the "conflation" or lies.
Go figure.
Con`fla´tion
n. 1. A blowing together, as of many instruments in a concert, or of many fires in a foundry.
2. a fusing together; merger of two or more things or ideas into one.
It's funny how the media = Bush Administration in the liberal mind.
okie wrote:Ticomaya is exactly correct, Bush never accused Hussein for 9/11. The reason people in this country connect Iraq and 9/11 as a sort of broad context is because people aren't stupid, they understand Hussein's support and connection to terrorist groups, and 9/11 was caused by terrorists. There were many reasons for entering Iraq, but one was the mistrust of Hussein, as he was a rogue dictator that could not be trusted, and had defied the U.N. and the world community, and there was a fear that if he had WMD, it would wind up in the hands of terrorists. He had used them before, and it is possible he was behind the anthrax attacks. People know all of this, and despite the spin of the Democrats for years, you cannot wipe out what people remember in terms of what did happen.
I disagree - the reason people connect Iraq with 9/11 is because they
are stupid. Your logic isn't any better.
You know that the Anthrax attacks came from domestic sources (and were sent to liberals and supposed liberal media members), so why are you still peddling **** that isn't true?
Cycloptichorn
okie wrote:Ticomaya is exactly correct, Bush never accused Hussein for 9/11. The reason people in this country connect Iraq and 9/11 as a sort of broad context is because people aren't stupid, they understand Hussein's support and connection to terrorist groups, and 9/11 was caused by terrorists. There were many reasons for entering Iraq, but one was the mistrust of Hussein, as he was a rogue dictator that could not be trusted, and had defied the U.N. and the world community, and there was a fear that if he had WMD, it would wind up in the hands of terrorists. He had used them before, and it is possible he was behind the anthrax attacks. People know all of this, and despite the spin of the Democrats for years, you cannot wipe out what people remember in terms of what did happen.
WOW okie that's one of the most stupidest post you have ever made.
We invaded Iraq for the following reasons;
1. We couldn't trust Saddam (which means we have the right to invade any country who has a leader we don't trust).
2. He was a rogue dictator (so we can attack any country that has a "rogue" dictator).
3. He defied the U.N. (and Israel has never defied the U.N.).
4. We were afraid he had WMD's but we had very good intelligence that he didn't. So an accusation is all we need to invade any country we choose.
5. It was possible, but not at all probable, that he was behind the anthrax attacks. So just thinking anyone was behind something is all we need to attack someone.
Isn't it nice to know that thousands of Americans died or such stupidity.
blatham wrote:Ticomaya wrote:For c.i., who seems incapable of understanding this sentence:
"Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president."
This comment, though in large sized font, is dishonest, unprincipled and demonstrates a lack of intellectual integrity.
Then your beef is with Linda Feldmann, the author of the article quoted by c.i.
Ticomaya wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:Con`fla´tion
n. 1. A blowing together, as of many instruments in a concert, or of many fires in a foundry.
2. a fusing together; merger of two or more things or ideas into one.
c.i.'s Word O' the Day.
For your benefit, since you seem confused.
cicerone imposter wrote:Ticomaya wants it both ways: Bush and his henchmen informed the congress, the American public, and the world, that Saddam had WMDs.
Now, people like Ticomaya wants to argue symantics; not the "conflation" or lies.
Go figure.
Would you please rephrase your argument to make it less incomprehensible?
This is all quite fascinating between Clinton and Obama, as we now hear Clinton accusing Obama of being soft on Hussein. Hey, I thought all of you guys here have concluded Hussein was absolutely not threat, so how come one of your party's front runners, Ms. Clinton, does not yet know this? Bush made this all up, and yet Clinton still doesn't know it. What is going on here?
Quote:Saudi public leery of Bush
By DONNA ABU-NASR
January 14th, 2008
Saudi Arabia's warm official welcome for President Bush, the scion of a family with close ties to the kingdom's ruling family, masks his deep unpopularity among ordinary Saudis.
A recent poll found only 12 percent here view Bush positively - lower than Iran's president or even al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden - and more think warmly toward Iran than America.
Among the reasons are the chaos in Iraq that followed the U.S.-led invasion and the widespread Arab feeling that the United States is biased in favor of Israel and not serious in seeking Mideast peace. A recent editorial said everything the president touches "turns to dust and ashes."
Quote:Analyst Abdullah al-Fozan said in a recent column in Al-Watan daily that Bush's "black pages" have been piling up.
"You have the opportunity now to decrease that blackness ... by fulfilling the promise you made to help establish a Palestinian state," he wrote.
And an editorial in Saturday's Arab News, a Saudi English-language newspaper, said Bush's record makes it hard for Arabs to believe he can deliver.
"No Palestinian, no Arab believes he will, or can, deliver," the editorial said. "Everything he touches turns to dust and ashes. Iraq, Afghanistan - maybe now even Iran."
http://www.adn.com/24hour/world/story/264508.html
This comes from our good friend who is the least democratic country in the Middle East; less democratic than Saddam's Iraq. This is the country that supplied the most 9/11 terrorist; that supplies the highest percentage (41%) of outside terrorist that come into Iraq to kill Americans; that still finances madrasahs outside of their country that teachs its students to hate America; whose rich citizens still finance Al Qaeda.
This is our good friend. And who did we attack? Iraq the enemy of Iran, a secular nation that Osama hated and couldn't trust.
Oil and Israel are the reasons we attacked Iraq. For some Americans you can never sacrifice to many lives for Israel.
Everything Bush touches turns to ashes. That will be his legecy. One of the worse presidents this country has seen. Hard to believe there are still some out there that support him.
Quote:Turkish FM: U.S. launched war for Iraq oil
Posted : Mon, 14 Jan 2008
WASHINGTON, Jan. 14 Turkey's finance minister says the United States is "after the oil" in Iraq, joining other high-profile officials making the assertion recently.
"The guy from miles away is invading Iraq claiming to put an end to the unfair system," Kemal Unakitan said, referring to U.S. President George W. Bush, the Anka News Agency reports. "But everyone knows they are after the oil. All the rest is just made up stories."
Unakitan's statements last week in Istanbul at an event sponsored by the Turkish business group MUSIAD came while Turkish President Abdullah Gul was meeting with Bush.
A senior Bush administration official said after the meetings that the two sides agreed to work together further on Iraq issues, such as the controversial oil-rich city of Kirkuk and the threat from Kurdish separatists.
Unakitan, however, was blunt in his criticism of the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
"He brings his army forces in the name of bringing freedom and nobody objects. Indeed they support saying that they also were contributing to the peace efforts," he said. "What peace efforts? You all are coming there for your sake, for oil."
Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan caused an uproar after the September release of his book "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World."
"I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil," Greenspan wrote.
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/173468,turkish-fm-us-launched-war-for-iraq-oil.html
This from our other good friend Turkey. This is what they believe. This is what Bush has done to the American image in the world; he has trashed it.
Then we need to go to ANWR instead?
Ticomaya wrote:blatham wrote:Ticomaya wrote:For c.i., who seems incapable of understanding this sentence:
"Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president."
This comment, though in large sized font, is dishonest, unprincipled and demonstrates a lack of intellectual integrity.
Then your beef is with Linda Feldmann, the author of the article quoted by c.i.
Indeed. Along with yourself if you find yourself wishing to echo the sentence, or in prior cases where you've actually said it yourself.
But possibly you reject the sentence as unrepresentative of 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth'?
What was on the Reichsgesetzblatt, oe?
Maybe I can guess.
Here it's, in automatic translation:
Regulation of the Reich President for the Protection of the People and State
28th February 1933
(Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 83)
On the basis of Article 48, paragraph 2 of the Reich constitution is to ward communist staatsgefährdender violence following decrees:
§ 1
Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich to be further ignored. There are restrictions on personal freedom, freedom of expression, including the freedom of the press, of association and assembly law, intervention in the letter, postal, telegraph and Fernsprechgeheimnis, orders of Haussuchungen and seizures, as well as restrictions on property outside otherwise designated statutory limits.
§ 2
Be in a country for the restoration of public security and order necessary measures are not taken, it may reach the government so far the powers of the country's supreme authority temporarily exercise.
§ 3
The authorities of the countries and communities (community associations), on the basis of § 2 adopted orders of the imperial government in the context of its responsibility to be obeyed.
§ 4
(1) Who by the country's highest authorities, or their subordinate authorities for the implementation of this Regulation, or orders adopted by the Imperial Government, in accordance with § 2 adopted measures punished or who asks for such infringement or anreizt, unless the deed to other provisions a more severe punishment, with a prison sentence of no less than one month or a fine of 150 to 15000 Reichsmark punished.
(2) Who infringement by paragraph 1 after a nasty threat to human life brings, with breeding house, in mitigating circumstances, with a prison sentence of no less than six months and, if the infringement of a person's death caused by the death, with mitigating circumstances Prison not less than two years' imprisonment. In addition, on forfeiture detected.
(3) Who to a gemeingefährlichen infringement (paragraph 2) or calling anreizt, with breeding house, in mitigating circumstances, with a prison sentence of no less than three months.
§ 5
(1) With the death of the crimes to punish the Penal Code § § 81 (high treason), 229 (producing poison), 307 (arson), 311 (explosion), 312 (flooding), 315, paragraph 2 (damage of railway equipment), 324 (gemeingefährliche poisoning), with lifelong imprisonment threatened.
(2) With the death, or if not yet a heavier penalty is threatened with life imprisonment or imprisonment of up to 15 years will be punished:
1st Whoever it is taking the imperial president or a Commissioner or a member of the imperial government or a provincial government to kill or who to such killings calling itself offers to such a Erbieten or accepts such a killing with another appointment;
2nd Who in the cases of Section 115, paragraph 2 of the Criminal Code (severe turmoil) or § 125 para 2 of the Criminal Code (severe Country breach of the peace) with weapons, or indeed in bewußtem and gewolltem interaction with an Armed celebrates;
3rd Who is a deprivation of liberty (Article 239 of the Criminal Code) with the intention of committing themselves to the freedom Beraubten hostage in the political struggle to operate.
§ 6
This regulation occurs on the date of promulgation in force.
The Reich President Hindenburg v.
The Reichskanzler: Adolf Hitler
The Swedish Minister of the Interior: Frick
The Reich Minister of Justice: Dr. Gürtner.