I hope they keep doing it!
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/26/612028.aspx
Quote:Looking at the exit polls Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:03 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Primaries
From MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell and Adam Verdugo
The South Carolina Democratic primary has been a bitter, hard-fought contest with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama taking jabs at each other in Monday's televised debate. In the exit polls, we asked voters in this primary if the candidates were attacking each other unfairly. Fifty-six percent of those voting so far think Obama attacked Clinton unfairly, and while that is a high number, more people thought Clinton unfairly attacked Obama -- 70%.
The Clintons have been accused of playing the race card in this contest. We do see some potential fallout for the Clintons in the African-American community: 74% of African-American voters think that Clinton unfairly attacked Obama. But when we look at the same question among white voters, a comparable number thought Clinton unfairly attacked Obama -- 68%.
Also worth mentioning, a majority of the voters -- 56% -- said that Bill Clinton's campaigning was important to their vote today.
Bill Clinton gave Hillary's concession speech tonight.
He really is making an ass of himself and hurting her. It's as if he is running for prez all over again; his speech was nearly entirely in the first person.
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn wrote:Bill Clinton gave Hillary's concession speech tonight.
He really is making an ass of himself and hurting her. It's as if he is running for prez all over again; his speech was nearly entirely in the first person.
Cycloptichorn
I especially liked the intro where he thanked them for giving him the key to the city, but wondered if people were concerned that he'd go into houses he shouldn't go into.
I don't think the audience laughed as hard as he thought they should.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_robocalls_hit_Edwards.html
Quote:Clinton robocalls hit Edwards
Guess he's still relevant enough to merit a robocall from Hillary that hits him on policy and character.
Here's the call (.mp3), and here's the transcript, from The Page:
Hello, This is the Hillary Clinton for President Campaign.
Before you vote on Saturday, you should know that John Edwards voted for permanent trade relations with China. That's right, John Edwards voted for the bill that cost thousands of jobs. Like the ones in the textile mills he talks about so much down here.
You should also know that John Edwards made nearly a half a million dollars working for a Wall Street investment fund. A fund that's been profiting on foreclosing on the homes of families; including 100 homes right here in South Carolina. That's according to The State newspaper. Here in South Carolina, Edwards says he's one of us, but up on Wall Street he was just another one of them.
Can you trust John Edwards?
John, you shouldn't of turned your back on Hillary to double-team Obama at the last debate. Hope you're able to remove that knife from your back soon.
Butrflynet wrote:John, you shouldn't of turned your back on Hillary to double-team Obama at the last debate. Hope you're able to remove that knife from your back soon.
Oh, bull. He attacked Hillary as often as Obama in that debate.
There's an Op-Ed in the NY Times - Two Presidents are Worse than One .
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/opinion/26wills.html?ei=5087&em=&en=a8a5adeed80652e3&ex=1201582800&pagewanted=all
Has interesting points, among which are:
One problem with the George W. Bush administration is that it has brought a kind of plural presidency in through the back door. Vice President Dick Cheney has run his own executive department, with its own intelligence and military operations, not open to scrutiny, as he hides behind the putative president.
No other vice president in our history has taken on so many presidential prerogatives, with so few checks. He is an example of the very thing James Wilson was trying to prevent by having one locus of authority in the executive. The attempt to escape single responsibility was perfectly exemplified when his counsel argued that Mr. Cheney was not subject to executive rules because he was also part of the legislature.
We have seen in this campaign how former President Clinton rushes to the defense of presidential candidate Clinton. Will that pattern of protection be continued into the new presidency, with not only his defending her but also her defending whatever he might do in his energetic way while she's in office? It seems likely. And at a time when we should be trying to return to the single-executive system the Constitution prescribes, it does not seem to be a good idea to put another co-president in the White House.
Compares all the candidates - democrat and republican using Candidates' Web sites and news wires as sources
http://www.sacbee.com/111/v-print/story/664783.html
Where the candidates stand: Farm guest workers
Maybe the reasons she is not smiling is because she won't receive any delegates from fl. becasue of the dispute of moving the primaries up this year. She was virtually uncontested.
She's still trying, though. It's not completely resolved as to whether she will get those delegates or not.
Oh and thanks for that overview, Cycloptichorn, that was something I was very curious about. What kind of response the Hillary "win" was getting.
FYI,
CNN is saying that both Edwards and Guilani are dropping out of the race today.
John Edwards To Drop Out Of Race
I'm so sad. John and Elizabeth Edwards are good people. ---BBB
John Edwards To Drop Out Of Race
by NEDRA PICKLER
January 30, 2008
DENVER ?- Democrat John Edwards is exiting the presidential race Wednesday, ending a scrappy underdog bid in which he steered his rivals toward progressive ideals while grappling with family hardship that roused voters' sympathies, The Associated Press has learned.
The two-time White House candidate notified a close circle of senior advisers that he planned to make the announcement at a 1 p.m. EST event in New Orleans that had been billed as a speech on poverty, according to two aides. The decision came after Edwards lost the four states to hold nominating contests so far to rivals who stole the spotlight from the beginning _ Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.
The former North Carolina senator will not immediately endorse either candidate in what is now a two-person race for the Democratic nomination, said one adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity in advance of the announcement. Both candidates would welcome Edwards' backing and the support of the 56 delegates he had collected.
Edwards waged a spirited top-tier campaign against the two better-funded rivals, even as he dealt with the stunning blow of his wife's recurring cancer diagnosis. In a dramatic news conference last March, the couple announced that the breast cancer that she thought she had beaten had returned, but they would continue the campaign.
Their decision sparked a debate about family duty and public service. But Elizabeth Edwards remained a forceful advocate for her husband, and she was often surrounded at campaign events by well-wishers and emotional survivors cheering her on.
Edwards planned to announce his campaign was ending with his wife and three children at his side. Then he planned to work with Habitat for Humanity at the volunteer-fueled rebuilding project Musicians' Village, the adviser said.
With that, Edwards' campaign will end the way it began 13 months ago _ with the candidate pitching in to rebuild lives in a city still ravaged by Hurricane Katrina. Edwards embraced New Orleans as a glaring symbol of what he described as a Washington that didn't hear the cries of the downtrodden.
Edwards burst out of the starting gate with a flurry of progressive policy ideas _ he was the first to offer a plan for universal health care, the first to call on Congress to pull funding for the war, and he led the charge that lobbyists have too much power in Washington and need to be reigned in.
The ideas were all bold and new for Edwards personally as well, making him a different candidate than the moderate Southerner who ran in 2004 while still in his first Senate term. But the themes were eventually adopted by other Democratic presidential candidates _ and even a Republican, Mitt Romney, echoed the call for an end to special interest politics in Washington.
Edwards' rise to prominence in politics came amid just one term representing North Carolina in the Senate after a career as a trial attorney that made him millions. He was on Al Gore's short list for vice president in 2000 after serving just two years in office. He ran for president in 2004, and after he lost to John Kerry, the nominee picked him as a running mate.
Elizabeth Edwards first discovered a lump in her breast in the final days of that losing campaign. Her battle against the disease caused her husband to open up about another tragedy in their lives _ the death of their teenage son Wade in a 1996 car accident. The candidate barely spoke of Wade during his 2004 campaign, but he offered his son's death to answer questions about how he could persevere when his wife could die.
Edwards made poverty the signature issue of both his presidential campaigns, and he led a four-day tour to highlight the issue in July. The tour was the first to focus on the plight of the poor since Robert F. Kennedy's trip 40 years earlier.
But even as Obama and Clinton collected astonishing amounts of money that dwarfed his fundraising effort, Edwards maintained a loyal following in the first voting state of Iowa that made him a serious contender. He came in second to Obama in Iowa, an impressive feat of relegating Clinton to third place, before coming in third in the following three contests.
The loss in South Carolina was especially hard because it was where he was born and he had won the state in 2004.
Re: John Edwards To Drop Out Of Race
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:I'm so sad. John and Elizabeth Edwards are good people. ---BBB
John Edwards To Drop Out Of Race
by NEDRA PICKLER
January 30, 2008
DENVER ?- .........
The loss in South Carolina was especially hard because it was where he was born and he had won the state in 2004.
That says alot. He couldn't even come close to winning his home state. He came in a distant third.
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
" Don't think of this election as a choice between candidates
but between battlefields.
Would you rather spend the next four years fighting Republicans or Democrats?"---------------------Sam Smith----------------
It is significant, I think, that Hill, in a somewhat meaningless election, got more votes that did McCain. It shows that the Dems are really mobilized this time.
sozobe wrote:Oh and thanks for that overview, Cycloptichorn, that was something I was very curious about. What kind of response the Hillary "win" was getting.
Yes, thank you Cyclo, that was useful.
Advocate wrote:It is significant, I think, that Hill, in a somewhat meaningless election, got more votes that did McCain. It shows that the Dems are really mobilized this time.
Huh? How is that significant when Obama didn't campaign, and the Republican election was hotly contested between 4 candidates??
