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20 year marriage down the drain

 
 
Freedomelf
 
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Reply Mon 28 May, 2007 08:34 pm
Well, he phoned and told me he "might have" made a big mistake. He apologized to me for how badly he has treated me, and asked me to see him and talk about our future. I told him that I wasn't ready to talk about it, and to contact me in 2 weeks to see if I'm ready by then. I wasn't sure I would be, but I definitely need at least a couple weeks without communicating with him in order to think it over.

Right now I just don't feel too sure about my feelings, and I think 2 more weeks will give me time to think about this some more. Besides, that will give him time to think about what he has done as well. Who knows? He may change his mind again by then, for all I know. I just don't want to deal with it right now. I also don't want the flip flopping, for the kids' sake. They definitely need stability right now.

Well, I'll probably be back in a couple weeks, to update the thread. In the meantime, thanks for all the wonderful advice. You guys are great. Smile
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 08:53 am
FreedomElf--

He does like having both you and Brenda as audiences, doesn't he?

As far as he's concerned, this is all about him.

Good for you taking two weeks to think about your options and your kids' feelings.
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 05:16 pm
<applause> Good for youu, freedomelf. Your chain shall remain unyanked.
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 11:21 am
Hello again. I mentioned that I would update this thread in about two weeks, for anyone who is interested.

We have not gotten back together, nor do I believe that will happen this time. He has flip-flopped several times. He is still seeing his mistress, although he has decided not to move in with her, much to her chagrin. He has found an apartment near work and taken a 6 month lease. I actually encouraged him to do this, because I really feel like he needs to stop using others, either me or her, as a crutch and figure out what in the HECK he really wants to do with his life.

I fear she will not allow him to learn the lessons he needs to learn in an apartment….like how to be on his own. I fear that she will pester him so much that the whole apartment will just be wasted $$$ down the drain, and he'll spend most of his time over there anyway. She really has his mind so twisted he can't think straight, although I do applaud his decision not to move in with her.

I've been looking back at my life with him and I wonder how I could have loved him so much. I see things in the past that I didn't want to see then. He now tells me that there was an infidelity 3 years ago (the first in our 20 year marriage) that he never told me about. And 10 years before that, he had a spot of trouble with the law for computer fraud, which he insisted he was innocent (and now, when I ask him if he really was, says "Why don't we just forget about that?) I believed him wholeheartedly at the time. Gosh, what a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away…….(yeah, I'm old enough to know that song, LOL!)

I'm incredibly sad and depressed at times, I have to admit. Some days if it weren't for my sons, I don't think I would come out of my room. I go out to play games with them and watch tv with them, but I really am not up to the pretense some days. And I just went to the doctor yesterday and was told I needed more surgery…..a great time for this to be happening. My husband is the one with the health insurance, and if he gets a divorce it will be immediately cancelled on me. I'm worried about that. On top of that, I'm on antibiotics for pneumonia, so I guess you can see I've had a great two weeks! Wink

However, on a bright note, I will be going back to work in the fall at a local school. The kids are managing……but of course they are still upset. My youngest doesn't seem as upset or angry as he was last time, though. He said to me "Mom, is episode three of ?'Liar Liar' going to play next year?" At first I didn't know what he meant, but then he said he was referring to his dad. He said that since episode one was last year and episode two was this year, he hoped that I wouldn't take him back, just to get an installment of episode three next year. That was really, really sad…..but his dad has killed his trust. He still goes out with his dad (which dad is still buying him stuff on weekends) but he doesn't seem to care if he never saw him again. He just takes the stuff, but it isn't buying his affection…..that that worries me. I fear that my son will become jaded. The older one doesn't usually go any more.

We are getting our finances in order, and I did get the financial arrangement notarized. But money will still be tight, at least until fall when I go to work. So we are going to be counting our pennies for the next couple months.

My husband has been having tremendous mood swings in the past month. He ranges from being tender and apologetic to being wildly accusatory, saying that he fears I'm going to trash all his stuff before he can pick it up. He also accused me of planning to never allow him to see the kids again (which since he has never once been denied access to them, nor have I ever even MENTIONED denying access in any way, was totally off the wall.) But, a week after his maniacal, angry accusations, he sends an email begging me to forgive him and at least be his friend, even if he doesn't deserve anything more than that. So, it's been a rollercoaster…..I caught him on the "good end" of that rollercoaster when I got him to notarize the financial agreement. I needed the protection from the document, never knowing if he will swing to the other side again and turn his back on us completely. So, I guess I'm better off than a lot of women in this situation.

Do I still love him? I honestly believe I am still in love with what I THOUGHT he was. I will love that man until the day I die. Either that man is dead now, or he is buried under a huge amount of mental illness that only time and a great deal of therapy can cure. I suppose if he were to beg me to help him get that mental help, I might be stupid enough to take him back (though I am not sure at all about that). The money he is spending on an apartment could be used for therapy. But he isn't…..he is still in "confused" mode. And the longer he is in confused mode, the more I feel like I am drifting away from him, and will be turning my sights to my own life and my own happiness. I'm at the point now where it would take something incredibly radical to believe that we have any chance at all to get back together. And knowing how much my husband has always loved the "easy button", I don't see him ever doing anything radical. He'll probably just offer a lame, "well, I'd like to come back and try...." That's no where near good enough.

She is not asking him for anything other than to BE WITH her……that's easy. That's what he will no doubt pick. I wish them both a lot of luck, knowing that they are doomed from the start, and to be honest, I usually feel lucky that I am out of their mess. The few times when I am still sad and crying are waning…..I will survive.

Much thanks to all who have posted and given me their insight on both sides of the issue. You have helped more than you know, both this year and last year. Bless you.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 11:31 am
Hi FreedomElf, thanks for the update.

FreedomElf wrote:
Do I still love him? I honestly believe I am still in love with what I THOUGHT he was. I will love that man until the day I die. Either that man is dead now, or he is buried under a huge amount of mental illness that only time and a great deal of therapy can cure.


Remember that there's a third option -- that the man you thought he was never really existed. It sounds more and more like that might be the case, unfortunately. The infidelity you didn't know about, the computer fraud, etc.

It sounds like you're doing a fabulous job of getting yourself on your feet -- congratulations on getting the teaching job! Hope that will provide insurance, and that your husband will provide enough child support to tide things over.

Best of luck...
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 11:48 am
Thanks! Yes, the job will provide insurance after my trial is over, but I will be having the surgery just as soon as the pneumonia is totally cleared up. I don't think my husband will be able to cancel the insurance that quickly. Hopefully, he won't try...but of course I always worry about how much influence she has on him. The insurance was not part of our signed agreement, so yes, he could technically cut me off from getting the cyst removed. (They don't believe it is cancerous, but the doctor insists on its removal anyway, so I think I'd better, for the peace of mind.)

His mistress has already expressed "shock" at our financial agreement, saying that she doesn't understand how he could be so generous, knowing the state doesn't require quite so much in payments, according to the published guidelines. He was upset with me, after talking to her, for "suckering him" into signing it, but just a few days later apologized to me for saying that, and reaffirming that he wants to do it for us, and that he cares for us and knows that we need it. Again...flip-flop.

Anyway, I appreciate the moral support and the kind words.

And for anyone else, I do appreciate UNkind words, too.....heck everything is helping me to learn and grow. I take what I can learn from and just let go of the rest. Thanks again.
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Freedomelf
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 11:54 am
By the way, lest anyone thinks that the financial arrangements were TOO generous to me......after all is said and done, I will have to cut out all unnecessary gas, reduce electric use by 20 percent, and cut our food bill down by 25 percent in order to survive the next few months. I can do that.

He, on the other hand, will still have approximately $500 in "blow money" each month after paying for his apartment and all needed expenses, without cutting back on ANYTHING he currently spends.

So, I don't want to give anyone the wrong impression. I didn't "take him to the cleaners" so to speak. I just got a little more than the published guidelines because we desperately needed it. I don't think I could have cut more than I did. After I am working for 6 months, and my trial is over, I've agreed to cut his payments to me.

Just FYI....I'm not being bad to the guy. Smile
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 12:17 pm
He isn't the only one on a roller-coaster, elf. At this point, he is who he is and you've done more than most to try to make things work. Keep your head up and your eyes on your needs and those of your sons.

Best wishes to you on your upcoming surgery and your current health issues. It isn't surprising that you feel like staying in bed all the time. You're sick for pete's sake. Go ahead and wallow if you feel like wallowing.

On a practical note -- I'm not so sure he could drop you from his insurance on a whim. Most insurance plans only allow coverage changes at the time of a life status change. Marriage, divorce, birth of a child, etc. I don't think getting an apartment of his own would qualify as a life status change. You could check with the benefits manager at his company to be sure, but I think you're ok until such time as there is an official divorce decree. AND, if there does come such a time that you are divorced, you can insist that he maintain insurance coverage for your children as part of the agreement.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 12:21 pm
FreedomElf--

Every life has some times when the only way to survive is to endure. I'm not surprised that your husband feels that the divorce is All About Him--after all, your marriage was All About Him.

Practical advice: If you can stomach it, praise his financial generosity at least once a week. Also, tell him that because he is an Honorable Man you know that he will "do the right thing" by his kids. Work his self-image for his advantage.

Worry about the Father/Son relationship if you need a little variety in your Worry Fodder, but remember all you can do is worry. The actual relationship between non-custodial Dad and his sons is up to them.

Of course you aren't being unfair about the financial arrangements or about alienating his sons' affections. He's blaming you because he doesn't want to admit that he's been unfair and dishonorable.

DO NOT rub his back. This is the Other Woman's problem now. Unfortunately she's getting the gravy and you're getting the dirty dishes.

Stress lowers the effectiveness of the immune system. Be prepared for at least three months of "summer" colds--and pamper yourself for every single one of them.

We're here.

Hold your dominion.
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sakhi
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2007 11:56 pm
No advice.

But I really do admire you, Freedomelf. You have handled all this so well....
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 06:38 am
Hang in there, girlfriend.
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 01:19 pm
It will get better. Try to stay busy.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 01:26 pm
What will get better? Hang in there for what or in which way, or hang loose and see? I'm not carping, just trying to figure out what different posters mean... (not that I'm never obscure!)
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 02:56 pm
ossobuco wrote:
What will get better? Hang in there for what or in which way, or hang loose and see? I'm not carping, just trying to figure out what different posters mean... (not that I'm never obscure!)


Life, in general will get better. Freedomelf is going though some depression, it sounds like to me. Quite understandable under the circumstances.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 03:01 pm
I'm seeing some posts as possibly or probably saying hang in re marriage.
My own instincts are to say, fly way. I can see anyone taking posts based on how they are thinking at this point.
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 03:11 pm
That's certainly not what I'm saying. I think Freedomelf is starting to see the path she needs to take. Just offering her some encouragement.
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eoe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 03:37 pm
Please, osso. By now you should know some of us better than that.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 03:38 pm
Right now FreedomElf has lots of paths opening. The number of possibilities is impressive--but also depressing.

The older you are, the more difficult it is to make seamless transitions.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2007 03:56 pm
I think I know you both, me, eoe and swimp, but does freedomelf or a new poster - just clarifying.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2007 07:25 am
ossobuco wrote:
I'm seeing some posts as possibly or probably saying hang in re marriage.


You do? I don't think anyone has been saying that since the latest updates, osso.
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