General Won't Appologize For Saying Homosexuality Is Immoral

Brandon9000 wrote:

I thought that all law and policy was always based on a combination of what's practical and what's right. It's clear that you wish to form policy based on your ideas of right and wrong. If Pace had said that everyone had the right to his sexual orientation and that policy must reflect that, would you have asked for his ouster because he was advocating a policy based on his own ideas of right and wrong?

Well first I have never asked for his ouster. Second, denying someone the ability to be openly gay in whatever venue for whatever reason is denying someone their civil liberties. You are taking away the freedom of a consenting adult who is not bring harm to another person because of views you hold against their sexuality which is forcing your views onto someone else.

Yes he does, but he does not have the right to force his morals into policy nor does anyone else.

I think the issue wasn't that Pace expressed his opinion, it was that he did so in the context of talking of the issue of the "don't ask don't tell policy" which gave the inference that he formed his stance on the don't ask don't tell policy because he believes homosexuality is immoral.

So much for the right to express unpopular opinions.

The statistics dont lie, yet the media did and wants people to think it actually was popular.

That movie broke back mountain was actually one of the biggest FLOPS in low sales at the box office

Is it all really so popular or is that the illusion / LIE being crammed down everyones throats?

Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. N=1,003 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"As you may know, there has been considerable discussion in the news regarding the rights of homosexual men and women. In general, do you think homosexuals should or should not have equal rights in terms of job opportunities?"

Should 89%

Should not 8%

"Do you think marriages between same-sex couples should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?"

Should 46%

Should not 53%

That's nowhere near 99%, my friend

"Now, thinking about what have been called 'hate crimes' -- those crimes committed because the criminal hates the group of people to which the victim belongs. As you may know, federal law currently allows prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of the victim's race, color, religion or national origin. Do you favor or oppose these laws?"

Favor 78%

Oppose 18%

99% of the population agrees with him it is immoral.

That movie broke back mountain was actually one of the biggest FLOPS in low sales at the box office.

He says "Brokeback" was considered a major financial risk, but has raked in close to $45 million dollars so far, more than triple its modest budget.

They're trying to make the money now selling the DVD. Good luck. The statistics dont lie, yet the media did and wants people to think it actually was popular.

Think of the gay marriages for example, a couple handfuls of crazies actually did go out & get married in california, I think totaling a couple hundred. How many people live in that state?

Is it all really so popular or is that the illusion / LIE being crammed down everyones throats?

The only lies on view here, so far, are the ones you've been attempting to peddle.

I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace said in a wide-ranging discussion with Tribune editors and reporters in Chicago. "I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way.

"As an individual, I would not want [acceptance of gay behavior] to be our policy, just like I would not want it to be our policy that if we were to find out that so-and-so was sleeping with somebody else's wife, that we would just look the other way, which we do not. We prosecute that kind of immoral behavior," Pace said.

Gotta love how the only thing people who don't like gays have to fall back on is the f'n bible. If it wasn't for the greatest fiction of all time, what excuse would they have?

Just as a clarification, I meant, two unmarried heterosexuals committing sexual acts is just as wrong in the Bible as homosexual acts committed by homosexuals.

2) In response to revel, the military has long had fraternization rules against heterosexual sex between soldiers of different ranks. I don't think there was a terrible lot of opposition against this policy.

Thomas it really does not matter if he was arguing from the Bible or not, the fact is that he used his own moral value system as a justification to continue the policy of not allowing gay members to openly be themselves which is forcing his own value system onto others by policy.

If you going to argue you agree with the don't ask don't tell policy because of the morality issue at least be consistent and include all immoral acts.

I think the whole morally issue in the military is outdated and needs to be changed. I mean what are we, the Taliban?

There is a long tradition in the United States which holds that officers on active service keep their political opinions to themselves, and that the ethos of obeying orders means that they do not publicly question policy over which their civilian master have discretion, and not them.