USAFHokie80 wrote:I think you missed my point. I would much rather be a victim of credit card theft or some financial loss than on the wrong end of a murder.
Me too. However, I can garantee I'll experiance fraud in my life.
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I'd agree with that, if we had a choice. But largely on the basis of some white collar lying we are in Iraq. A soldier is as dead from an IED as from a foot pad with a blackjack.
Consequently I suspect that we, as a society and as persons, are more in danger from white thieves and liars than we have ever been from any other subgroup.
Yet we fail to castigate, punish, or remove from society in any meaningful way those who abuse the publics trust. Yet they are the greatest danger
This skews the statistics, and also our perceptions of any particular sub-group that we do not happen to belong to.
IF we, the body politic, could be made aware that the white collar crime is at least as reprehensible as a housebreaker then at least we will have made a start toward correcting the problem (of regarding other subgroups as having more criminal tendencies than ours, whatever it is)
Interesting article.
US city issues immigrant ID card
A city in Connecticut has become the first in the United States to issue identity cards to illegal immigrants.
New Haven - best known as the home of Yale University - is offering the cards to all its residents, including to some 12,000 undocumented immigrants.
City leaders say the plan will enable immigrants to open bank accounts and make them less vulnerable to crime.
But the ID card scheme, which comes as some other cities get tough on illegal immigrants, has also prompted protests.
New Haven Mayor John DeStefano said the cards, which were approved last month, would make immigrants more willing to report crime.
"The simple straightforward purpose here is to build a stronger community," he said.
"You can't police a community of people who won't talk to our cops."
'Welcome mat'
But opponents said the move would encourage illegal immigration.
Bill Farrel, of Southern Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Reform, said: "It's going to be a welcome mat for illegal aliens to come to the region, flood the labour market and dry up working-class and middle-class jobs."
BBC Americas editor Will Grant says the controversial move stands in stark contrast to the approach towards illegal immigrants adopted in other parts of the US.
New laws and proposals in more than 90 cities or counties across the country include prohibiting landlords from renting to illegal immigrants and penalising firms that employ them.
Last month, US President George W Bush's plans for immigration reform collapsed in the Senate amid strong opposition.
I respect your opinions, but I must honestly say that most of you seem pretty ignorant. Can any of you acknowledge the fact that these "illegal immigrants" are beneficial to the United States? They take jobs that others are not willing to do. They come to this country to better themselves- who are we to say anything if we are the ones who took everything they had in the first place? Why must we be so selfish?
Bush hit over his jobs for illegal workers
Bush hit over jobs for illegal workers
August 23, 2007
By Stephen Dinan
Washington Times
If President Bush is serious about getting tough on U.S. employers who hire illegal aliens, he can start with his own administration, which employs thousands of unauthorized workers, says the top Republican on the House immigration subcommittee.
A 2006 audit showed federal, state and local governments are among the biggest employers of the half-million persons in the U.S. illegally using "non-work" Social Security numbers ?- numbers issued legally, but with specific instructions that the holders are not authorized to work in the U.S.
"Let's clean up our own house, let's especially clean up the federal employment of all those working for the federal government," said Rep. Steve King, Iowa Republican and ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee's immigration subcommittee.
The Social Security Administration used to, but no longer does, issue non-work numbers to legal aliens who were not authorized to work but needed a number to obtain a federal or state benefit or service. Still, hundreds of thousands of those immigrants used the numbers to get a job.
According to the 2006 audit by the Social Security inspector general, 17 of the 100 worst employers using employees with non-work numbers were government agencies: seven federal agencies, seven state agencies and three local governments. That means the government knows who those employees are, but usually does not go after them.
Earlier this month, Homeland Security and Commerce departments announced a new crackdown on illegal entry that includes stricter enforcement against employers. The departments said they will encourage businesses to use E-Verify to check employees' Social Security numbers, and said the federal government will write new rules requiring all private contractors and vendors that do business with it to use E-Verify.
Under current law, neither business nor federal agencies are required to use E-Verify, formerly known as the Basic Pilot Program.
Mr. King said the administration shouldn't wait for new rules to begin checking federal employees against the non-work list.
"There's a lot more they can do, but the federal government's at least got to run their non-work Social Security numbers against their own employee database, and then they've got to require states to do that, and local governments to do that," he said.
The problem is broader than just federal hiring. The latest figures from the Social Security Administration, reported in March, found 521,426 non-work Social Security numbers had earnings credited to them for work done in 2005 and credited during calendar year 2006.
Social Security provides a list of those numbers to Homeland Security every year, but the department has been reluctant to use them for enforcement, arguing to Congress in testimony last year it would take a significant amount of resources and could distract from national security priorities. Homeland Security also says a high percentage of the non-work numbers turn out to be clerical errors or workers who later obtained authorization.
The inspector general says those cases do occur, but more often than not ?- about 60 percent of the time ?- the employees are in fact not authorized to work in the U.S. The audit said for government agencies, the percentage is slightly lower: 44 percent of the government workers identified in their sample were unauthorized for employment in the U.S. The inspector general did not name the 100 worst employers on its list.
The inspector general said as long as workers are using invalid numbers, homeland security is threatened, and said telling employers directly about employees using invalid numbers could help stem the flow of illegal workers.
In a sample of 275 individuals using non-work numbers, the inspector general found two were found to have warrants for deportation already lodged against them. The inspector general said it forwarded that information to Homeland Security for action.
Meanwhile, Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican and presidential hopeful, says Mr. Bush is falling behind on construction of the U.S.-Mexico border fence that he signed into law last year.
In a letter to the president, Mr. Hunter said just 17.9 miles of the new double-tier fencing has been constructed as of Aug. 10 ?- putting the administration off the pace he said it needs to build 392 miles by May 30. All told, he said the fence is supposed to reach 854 miles which, because of the region's geography, will seal off about 700 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border.
The Washington Times reported earlier this month the U.S. Border Patrol sent out a memo calling for agents to volunteer to help build fencing because they are going to fall short of their goal.
Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the White House, said they are trying to secure the border by adding Border Patrol agents and vehicle barriers. He said there are 100 miles of fencing on the border, and they want a total of 145 miles by September, though those figures include single-tier fencing and fencing that was built in prior years.
The irony of it all; even our government who's supposed to control illegal immigrant are themselves guilty of hiring illegals. We knew that our government was a big fraud, but they seem to keep their jobs anywhos.
