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Information Control or how to get to Orwellian governance II

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 17 Feb, 2008 10:39 am
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The Pentagon has now designated "information operations" as its fifth "core competency" alongside land, sea, air and special forces. Since October 2006, every brigade, division and corps in the US military has had its own "psyop" element producing output for local media. This military activity is linked to the State Department's campaign of "public diplomacy" which includes funding radio stations and news websites. In Britain, the Directorate of Targeting and Information Operations in the Ministry of Defence works with specialists from 15 UK psyops, based at the Defence Intelligence and Security School at Chicksands in Bedfordshire.
http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/02/12/how-the-spooks-took-over-the-news/
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 17 Feb, 2008 01:23 pm
blatham wrote:
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The Pentagon has now designated "information operations" as its fifth "core competency" alongside land, sea, air and special forces. Since October 2006, every brigade, division and corps in the US military has had its own "psyop" element producing output for local media. This military activity is linked to the State Department's campaign of "public diplomacy" which includes funding radio stations and news websites. In Britain, the Directorate of Targeting and Information Operations in the Ministry of Defence works with specialists from 15 UK psyops, based at the Defence Intelligence and Security School at Chicksands in Bedfordshire.
http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/02/12/how-the-spooks-took-over-the-news/

Good! The profligate liberal media has a little more competition now.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2008 07:47 am
Brit military takes propaganda into the schools...

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Iraq: teachers told to rewrite history

MoD accused of sending propaganda to schools

Friday, 14 March 2008

Britain's biggest teachers' union has accused the Ministry of Defence of breaking the law over a lesson plan drawn up to teach pupils about the Iraq war. The National Union of Teachers claims it breaches the 1996 Education Act, which aims to ensure all political issues are treated in a balanced way.

Teachers will threaten to boycott military involvement in schools at the union's annual conference next weekend, claiming the lesson plan is a "propaganda" exercise and makes no mention of any civilian casualties as a result of the war.

They believe the instructions, designed for use during classroom discussions in general studies or personal, social and health education (PSE) lessons, are arguably an attempt to rewrite the history of the Iraq invasion just as the world prepares to mark its fifth anniversary.

Steve Sinnott, the general secretary of the NUT, said: "This isn't an attack on the military - nothing of the sort. I know they've done valuable work in establishing peace in some countries. It is an attack on practices that we cannot condone in schools. It is a question of whether you present fair and balanced views or put forward prejudice and propaganda to youngsters."

At the heart of the union's concern is a lesson plan commissioned by an organisation called Kids Connections for the Ministry of Defence aimed at stimulating classroom debate about the Iraq war.

In a "Students' Worksheet" which accompanies the lesson plan, it stresses the "reconstruction" of Iraq, noting that 5,000 schools and 20 hospitals have been rebuilt. But there is no mention of civilian casualties.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/iraq-teachers-told-to-rewrite-history-795711.html
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 08:56 am
Boy; I had to go back quite a few pages to get this one; I guess the US elections has been consuming a lot of minds (including mine). But there is other news sometimes and a whole world out there which has nothing to do with US elections.

Behind Military Analysts, the Pentagon's Hidden Hand

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[the rest at the source]

I know folks like Ican think it is good to do this; but it is not. A free press is different than a government manipulating the press. What this administration does is akin to a press found in Saddam Hussein's regime or other places where they suppress and censor and even plant distorted good news in the press sanctioned and created by the government. Sometimes it may even be true news; but how can a person trust it when it has been manipulated by the government to say what they want it to say? While a free press acting independently might not always report something you want to hear or even report with their own biases; at least the reports are arrived at in a free manner and not some trumped up puppet press parroting messages from the government.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 01:33 pm
revel wrote:

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I know folks like Ican think it is good to do this; but it is not. A free press is different than a government manipulating the press. What this administration does is akin to a press found in Saddam Hussein's regime or other places where they suppress and censor and even plant distorted good news in the press sanctioned and created by the government. Sometimes it may even be true news; but how can a person trust it when it has been manipulated by the government to say what they want it to say? While a free press acting independently might not always report something you want to hear or even report with their own biases; at least the reports are arrived at in a free manner and not some trumped up puppet press parroting messages from the government.

Malarkey!

I don't think it good for anyone to manipulate the press into publishing falsity no matter who--whether it be the military, Liberals, Conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, or George Soros and his gang--is doing the manipulating. For example, I think it a falsity to claim that torture is questioning that does not kill, does not maim, does not disfigure, and does not injure.

George Orwell's NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR constituted a prescient warning to humanity.
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/

It was published in June 1949. He time-labeled his warning 1984, but his warning is a perpetual and timeless warning of humanity's propensity to contain and even court personalities in its midst that are dangerous to humanity's existence. These are the personalities in humanity's midst that seek power over what the rest of humanity thinks and what the rest of humanity does. They seek this power for no other purpose than gaining power over the rest of humanity. Possessing that power over even some of humanity deludes them into thinking they are of greater worth than those over which they possess their power. The truth is that to hold others down, one must be down also.

The recruiters of suicidal mass murderers of non-murderers are the current best examples of some of humanity courting personalities in its midst that are dangerous to humanity's existence. These are the personalities in humanity's midst that seek power over what the rest of what humanity thinks and does. They seek this power for no other purpose than possessing power over the rest of humanity. They must be discovered and stopped. The sooner, the better!

Think about 2084 and note it is now April 2008, 59 years after 1949 and 76 years before 2084.

George Orwell -- born Eric Arthur Blair 1903, and died 1950 wrote:
PART III, Chapter III.
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/chap20.html

[O'Brien said,] 'There is no way in which the Party can be overthrown. The rule of the Party is forever. Make that the starting point of your thoughts.'

He came closer to the bed. 'For ever!' he repeated. 'And now let us get back to the question of "how" and "why". You understand well enough how the Party maintains itself in power. Now tell me why we cling to power. What is out motive? Why should we want power? Go on, speak,' he added as Winston remained silent.

... 'And do you consider yourself a man?'

'Yes.'

'If you are a man, Winston, you are the last man. Your kind is extinct; we are the inheritors. Do you understand that you are a lone? You are outside history, you are non-existent.' His manner changed and he said more harshly: 'And you consider yourself morally superior to us, with our lies and our cruelty?'

...

'The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you [Winston] begin to understand me?'
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 01:46 pm
Here is one dare devil lawyer from USa who project the image of USA.
( I worked in Law library and I have enough to expose my ignorance)

On Thursday in the National Press Club in Washington, a crowd gathered to witness the presentation of the Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling to Lieutenant Commander Matthew Diaz. The story of Matthew Diaz was chronicled in this space repeatedly (also here and here). It is a story of courage, fortitude, conviction and suffering. Joe Margulies introduced the honoree with clarity:

no one can think it is fun when you sit in a courtroom as an accused, and a United States prosecutor points an accusatory finger at your chest and calls you a criminal and tells you that you have betrayed your oath and you have betrayed your country, and you have endangered the safety of the men and women that you swore to share your burdens with. And no one can think it is fun when you have to sit with your heart pounding in your chest as the jury files back into the room with a piece of paper folded in its hands, and that piece of paper holds your fate. And no one can think it is fun when that jury, your peers, pronounces you guilty. And no one can think it is fun when you have to face that same jury that will sentence you for what may be many years; many years that you will be away from your family, your life in tatters, your career ruined.

Matthew Diaz served his country as a staff judge advocate at Guantánamo. He watched a shameless assault on America’s Constitution and commitment to the rule of law carried out by the Bush Administration. He watched the introduction of a system of cruel torture and abuse. He watched the shaming of the nation’s uniformed services, with their proud traditions that formed the very basis of the standards of humanitarian law, now torn asunder through the lawless acts of the Executive. Matthew Diaz found himself in a precarious position—as a uniformed officer, he was bound to follow his command. As a licensed and qualified attorney, he was bound to uphold the law. And these things were indubitably at odds.

Diaz resolved to do something about it. He knew the Supreme Court twice ruled the Guantánamo regime, which he was under orders to uphold, was unlawful. In the Hamdan decision, the Court went a step further. In powerful and extraordinary words, Justice Kennedy reminded the Administration that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions was binding upon them, and that a violation could constitute a criminal act. One senior member of the Bush legal team, informed of the decision over lunch, was reported to have turned “white as a sheet” and to have immediately excused himself. For the following months, Bush Administration lawyers entered into a frenzied discussion of how to protect themselves from criminal prosecution.

One of the crimes the Administration committed was withholding from the Red Cross a list of the detainees at Guantánamo, effectively making them into secret detainees. Before the arrival of the Bush Administration, the United States had taken the axiomatic position that holding persons in secret detention for prolonged periods outside the rule of law (a practice known as “disappearing”) was not merely unlawful, but in fact a rarified “crime against humanity.” Now the United States was engaged in the active practice of this crime.

The decision to withhold the information had been taken, in defiance of law, by senior political figures in the Bush Administration. Diaz was aware of it, and he knew it was unlawful. He printed out a copy of the names and sent them to a civil rights lawyer who had requested them in federal court proceedings.

Diaz was aware when he did this that he was violating regulations and that he could and would, if caught, be subjected to severe sanction. What he did was a violation of law, even as it was an effort to cure a more severe act of lawlessness by the Government. Diaz violated the law in precisely the same sense as Martin Luther King reminds us, in the Letter from Birmingham Jail, that his arrest was based on a violation of law. That everything the Nazis did in Germany was lawful. And that every act of the Hungarian freedom fighters was a crime. In terms of the moral law, however, Diaz was on the side of right, and the Bush Administration and the Pentagon had, by engaging in the conduct that the Supreme Court condemned, placed themselves on the side of lawlessness, corruption and dishonor.

Diaz was charged, tried and convicted for disclosing “secrets.” For the Bush Administration, any information which would be politically embarrassing or harmful to it is routinely classified “secret.” In this fashion the Administration believes it can use criminal sanctions against those who disclose information it believes will be politically damaging. The list of detainees at Guantánamo, which by law was required to be disclosed, was classified as “secret.”

Diaz spent six months in prison and left it bankrupt and without a job. In addition to his sentence, the Pentagon is working aggressively to have Diaz stripped of his law license so he will not be able to practice his profession. The Bush Administration has sought to criminalize, humiliate and destroy Diaz. Its motivation could not be clearer: Diaz struck a blow for the rule of law. And nothing could be more threatening to the Bush Administration than this.

In the week in which Diaz received the Ridenhour Prize, another Pentagon “secret” was disclosed. This “secret” was a memorandum made to order for William J. Haynes II, Rumsfeld’s General Counsel, and the man at the apex of the Pentagon’s military justice system that tried, convicted and sentenced Diaz. The memo was authored by John Yoo. This memorandum was designed to authorize the introduction of torture and other cruel, inhuman and degrading interrogation techniques to be used upon prisoners held at Guantánamo, and ultimately also used in Afghanistan and Iraq. The memorandum authorized waterboarding, long-time standing, hypothermia, the administration of psychotropic drugs and sleep deprivation in excess of two days in addition to a number of other techniques. Each of these techniques is long established as torture as a matter of American and international law. The application and implementation of these techniques was and is a crime.

The exact circumstances surrounding the dealings between Haynes and Yoo that led to the development of this memorandum are unclear. However, it is clear that Haynes had previously authorized the use of the torture techniques, and had secured an order from Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld authorizing them.

Following the implementation of these techniques, more than 108 detainees died in detention. In a large number of these cases, the deaths have been ruled a homicide and connected to torture. These homicides were a forseeable consequence of the advice that Haynes and Yoo gave.

The introduction of torture techniques destroyed America’s reputation around the world, dramatically eroded a system of alliances that generations of Americans fought and labored to sustain and build, and provided the basis for a dramatic recruitment campaign for terrorist groups who are the nation’s principal adversaries in the war on terror. Yoo’s and Haynes’s conduct dramatically undercut the security and safety of every American. And equally, Yoo and Haynes demonstrated by their conduct contempt for the rule of law and the principles for which hundreds of thousands of Americans shed their blood in prior conflicts.

Yoo is currently a professor at the University of California at Berkeley, the author of a number of widely featured books, and a widely followed media figure whose works are routinely published in the Wall Street Journal and other publications. He remains a member of the bar in Pennsylvania and California.

Haynes recently left the position of General Counsel at the Department of Defense to become General Counsel–Corporate at Chevron Inc. He remains a member of the bar in North Carolina, Virginia and the District of Columbia.

A system that punishes and shames Matthew Diaz, yet obstructs any investigation into the misconduct of John Yoo and Jim Haynes, and particularly their focal rule in the introduction of torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, is corrupt. Indeed, it persecutes the innocent and rewards the guilty. A bar association that disbars Matthew Diaz and leaves Yoo and Haynes free to practice is fundamentally corrupt. In essence, this choice reflects a legal profession that puts upholding the will of the Executive, even when it commands the most egregious and unlawful conduct, over the Rule of Law. It reflects the abnegation of the bedrock principles of the profession and the principles of the American Constitution and the Revolution which gave rise to it.

Lieutenant Commander Diaz reminds us of the powerful words of Justice Brandeis:

Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole of the people by its example. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law and invites every man to become a law unto itself. It breeds anarchy. To declare that the end justifies the means would bring terrible retribution.

In a day when the legal profession is disgraced repeatedly by the performance of lawyers in the service of their government, Matthew Diaz is emerging as a hero to many, and as a symbol that for some lawyers devotion to truth, integrity and justice still matters. Indeed, that dedication and willingness to shoulder the burden it can bring, is and will likely be seen by future generations of Americans as the higher form of patriotism.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002819

You want more American sources to expose the legal system?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 01:49 pm
A different song here.

"Picture the scene: It's early morning in Northern California. Two grim-faced men in suits knock on the door of a house, and a scholarly-looking man answers. In a matter of minutes, the men show the man golden badges of the U.S. Marshals Service, and he is loaded into a minivan in handcuffs. In less than a day, he is flown to the East Coast, transferred to a small government jet, and soon it is in the air, winging toward the Netherlands.

In a world where there is justice, this man's name is John Yoo, and he would be headed to the Hague, the seat of the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice. And ideally, Yoo would be defending himself.

Everybody knows a lawyer joke or three: "What do you call 100 lawyers chained to the bottom of the sea?" "A good start." "What is the definition of waste?" "A bus full of lawyers going off a cliff with an empty seat." "What's the difference between a dead skunk in the middle of the road and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road?" "There are skid marks in front of the skunk."

What isn't said is that, occasionally, along comes a lawyer who justifies all these types of jokes, and Yoo is that lawyer.

Yoo, a former member of the Office of Legal Counsel in the U.S. Justice Department, is the man who, back in 2003, wrote the memos for the Bush administration that sanctioned torture, opening the door and some even say creating the road map for the atrocities at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. Last week it came to light that not only was Yoo the creator of that memo, but that he wrote expansive memos that all but tossed away the Fourth Amendment as part of a claim of executive authority during wartime. This opinion was written in October 2001, and stated that the U.S. military was not limited by Fourth Amendment protections against search and seizure when combating terrorism inside the United States.

"Breathtaking" doesn't even begin to cover this. Yoo blithely tossed out the window the legal principle, enshrined in federal law, of posse comitatus, which says that the military cannot exercise law-enforcement functions that are the province of state officials. The president, in wartime, has the powers of a king, if you believe what Yoo wrote (and for a period of time, the U.S. government believed it).

Remember the old story about Benjamin Franklin leaving the Constitutional Convention in 1787? A woman asks him, "Well, Doctor, what have we got--a republic or a monarchy?" Recall Franklin's answer: "A republic, if you can keep it." Yoo is the fellow who, at the first sign of trouble, gave it away.

Another stunning example of a right he casually threw away was mentioned in a footnote to the Yoo memos released last week. Apparently, right to due process under the Fifth Amendment "[does] not address actions the Executive takes in conducting a military campaign against the Nation's enemies." After more than two centuries and dozens of wars and military actions, including combating the the Axis powers and waging the Cold War, it took 19 people flying planes into buildings for one man to unilaterally decide--and have adopted as official government policy--that the president can do anything he wants during wartime because the Constitution calls him "commander in chief." It takes a special kind of mind to believe in such a thing.

Now, normally when one imagines members of the Bush administration standing trial, it is because they end up getting arrested while traveling overseas, and a country with standing in the International Criminal Court places said offender under arrest, similar to the way Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet was arrested in the United Kingdom on a Spanish warrant for the murder of Spanish citizens in Chile under his regime. With the current bloody nose that the United States has regarding human rights and the invasion of Iraq under false and manufactured pretenses--not to mention Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, secret prisons, and involuntary rendition of prisoners to nations that sponsor torture--the first, easiest and best way for America to regain some standing in the global community would be to offer up a sign of good faith.

What better sign of good faith than delivering the unabashed architect of these policies to the International Criminal Court?

Note that I am not calling right off the bat for his conviction--Yoo, unlike the hundreds of people subject to his abhorrent legal opinions, has the right to counsel, and the right to trial in a court of laws. Given Yoo's almost supercilious arguments in favor of opinions so contrary to the Constitution, I think that he is best equipped to present his own defense in front of that court. And considering the fool he'd have for a client, I also think it would be deliciously ironic.

Come the next administration, there's one simple way to begin to make amends for the bloody smear across the face of justice that has been effected under George W. Bush. In the language of reality TV, it's about time to vote someone off the island. One man needs to go. I vote for John Yoo.
_______http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print/13958
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 02:40 pm
All you folks who fuss about American indefinite detentions of those prisoners of war who have participated in the mass murder of non-murderers, or participated in the decapitating or other killing, or maiming, crippling, disabling or injuring of their prisoners, but do not fuss about what atrocities those prisoners have committed, are incredible. You fuss about American interrogation methods that neither kill, maim, cripple, disable, or even injure those interrogated, but say little or nothing about the atrocities committed by those interrogated.

When will you begin to fuss about those who have mass murdered non-murderers, or decapitated or otherwise killed, or maimed, crippled, disabled or injured their prisoners?

You evaluate Americans against your notion of ideal behavior, while neglecting to evaluate those attempting to harm Americans against your same notion of ideal behavior.

Yes, we Americans are badly flawed, but the people we are fighting are far worse flawed. You who hold Americans to ideal behavior that you do not hold others to, are yourselves for that reason far more flawed than we are. Why you do this is anyone's guess. My guess is that you do this to avoid analyzing the serious flaws in your own behavior.

Remove the plank in your eye, before criticizing the splinter in another's eye.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 08:42 am
You know Ican I don't see why you objected so strongly to Saddam regime since the one you favor in having in our country so closely resembles his. You favor torture of enemies, censoring and manipulation of the press, wmd of your enemies and a denial of rights to enemies. As long as it is in the name of fighting "islamic extremist" or any other word you choose for the week, all is fair. Saddam and other dicators thought the same.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 12:10 pm
revel wrote:
You know Ican I don't see why you objected so strongly to Saddam regime since the one you favor in having in our country so closely resembles his.

Sad I'll assume you actually believe I favor having in our country a regime that "so closely resembles" Saddam's. Because if you do not actually believe that, you are actually a lying puddle of putrid puke. But since I have assumed you do believe it, I conclude that you are merely a stupid member of the human race.

You favor torture of enemies,

Sad I'll assume you actually believe I favor torture of enemies. Because if you do not actually believe that, you are actually a lying puddle of putrid puke. But since I have assumed you do believe it, I conclude that you are merely a stupid member of the human race.

censoring and manipulation of the press,

Sad I'll assume you actually believe I favor censoring and manipulation of the press. Because if you do not actually believe that, you are actually a lying puddle of putrid puke. But since I have assumed you do believe it, I conclude that you are merely a stupid member of the human race.

wmd of your enemies and a denial of rights to enemies. As long as it is in the name of fighting [enemies who are mass murderers of non-murderers], all is fair.

Rolling Eyes Now you almost have it right.

I believe all those who deny or attempt to deny people their rights to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness, forfeit those same rights.


Saddam and other dicators thought the same.

Saddam like some other dictators (e.g., Hitler, Hirohito, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Castro, Chavez) did not think the same. Saddam and those other dictators think the mass murderer of non-murderers is fair.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 01:17 pm
If USA is not an Amimal farm what else?
We are with the victims of 11th september but not with the criminals
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 22 Apr, 2008 10:40 am
Ramafuchs wrote:
If USA is not an Amimal farm what else?
We are with the victims of 11th september but not with the criminals

Quote:
The Declaration of Independence
(Adopted in Congress 4 July 1776)
The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
...

Quote:
The Constitution of the United States of America
Effective as of March 4, 1789
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
...


I think the number of American good guys far outnumbers the number of American bad guys.

Ramafuchs, What do you think is true for the numbers of good guys and bad guys in your neighborhood?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 22 Apr, 2008 04:47 pm
In my neibourhood i am the only idiot who waste my time and energy for nothing.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 22 Apr, 2008 07:47 pm
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 01:56 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:

Mahathma Gandhi led passive resistance to the British in India.
It worked.
The British government was not inclined to murder Mahathma Gandhi and his followers.

Martin Luther King led non-violent protests to Americans in their southern states.
It worked.
The American government was not inclined to murder Martin Luther King and his followers.

Osama bin Laden is leading murdering protests to Americans and to Iraqis and to Afghanistanis.
It ain't worked.
The American government, Iraq government, and Afghanistan government are inclined to murder Osama bin Laden and his followers.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 9 Oct, 2008 10:18 am
Quote:
FCC To Probe Pentagon-Funded Information Campaign
By John M. Donnelly, CQ Staff

The Federal Communications Commission confirmed it has launched a probe to address congressional questions about a Pentagon program viewed by some lawmakers as propaganda.

The FCC is looking into whether TV networks and certain on-air analysts broke the law by failing to disclose to viewers that the apparently independent analysts were in fact part of a Pentagon-funded information campaign, a spokesman for the commission said.

“What I can confirm is that the enforcement bureau at the FCC is looking into this matter, and I can confirm that they have sent letters in connection with it, seeking information,” the spokesman said late Tuesday, without elaborating on when the inquiry began or who its targets are.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002972699
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 9 Oct, 2008 10:47 am
@blatham,
Oh my God! The Pentagon may be in cahoots with some of the the media's propagandizers.

Also, the federal government's Fannie&Freddie programs, are proven to have been Congressionally legalized ways for individual Democrats to pocket significant portions of taxes paid by Americans tax payers.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 11:45 am
Good grief! Guess who's going to work for Fox as an "analyst"?

Judith Miller.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 12:19 pm
@blatham,
I'm flabbergasted Bernie. Are you sure?
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