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Information Control or how to get to Orwellian governance II

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2007 09:56 am
He has no one left to talk to. No one who will listen any longer; he has alienated everyone except for the far-right wing.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2007 10:10 am
ican711nm wrote:
blatham wrote:
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Bush invites Freepers to White House.Last week, President Bush invited members of DC chapter of the right-wing website FreeRepublic.com, along with other conservative groups, to the White House for a picnic. According to a posting about the event on Free Republic, "President spent what seemed like two hours meeting with everyone who wanted to speak with him."
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/23/bush-invites-freepers-to-white-house/
Shame on that low life Bush for spending two hours with folks that think him merely an incompetent and not a liar.


Gad! They don't really, do they? This does not speak well for the group.

But, of course, what Bush is doing here (as he has done with his earlier meetings with right wing tv and radio people) is trying to motivate/endear these propaganda agents to continue and further their efforts.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2007 11:06 am
blatham wrote:
tinygiraffe wrote:
uh? i don't presume to know what you presume i have in mind... what i was thinking was that people would be better equipped to get their own stories if they had pro training. i wasn't suggesting they stay on, tethered to a news agency.

and some indy journalists do have pro training. i was talking about having it for a larger more complete range of people.


It's a tough problem. I doubt any proposed remedy would be very effective so long as the media to which most people in the US attend remains in the hands of a handful of large corporate entities. Therefore, my first move would be to forward legislation regulating monopolization of information sources.

There also seems to be a clear deficiency in educational curricula/priorities which leaves so many americans poorly informed not only as regards the world outside their borders but also as regards their own history and their understandings of the principles which underly a functioning constitutional democracy. That's a generalization, obviously, and does not apply to all americans but it has broad application and seems to me to put the system, as the founders conceived it, in serious jeopardy.

Just as one quick example, we've seen a notion growing quite uniquely on the right side of the american spectrum that an independent media is neither possible nor even necessarily desireable. Not possible because everyone is biased and not desireable because external threats (and internal threats) are so serious and potentially insidious that the state must oversee what can be openly discussed. In fact, those notions are growing because they have been cultivated and disseminated via effective marketing campaigns for a few decades now. It's difficult to imagine a more fertile environment for authoritarian control to expand.

The last thing that should be done is to increase control by federal government bureacracy over information flow and information sources. The federal bureacracy is the worst kind of monopoly or oligarky in that it doesn't have to compete for its power with anything inside the country governed. It's much better to have private corporations competing for more profit than such bureacracies being granted more power.

We in the US already have ample evidence of the deterioration of quality and the increase in cost of most anything federal bureaucracy controls when such control is not expressly granted to the federal government by our Constitution.

The best and most obvious example of that deterioration in quality and increase in cost, is our public educational system. The federal government is not granted the power to govern our public education system. That power belongs to the states or their school districts, as the individual state constitutions specify. When the federal government began to usurp that power back in the late 1960s, our public education system began its deterioration and its increasing cost. That deterioration and increasing cost accelerated each time the federal government usurped more such power over our public educational sytem.

Increasingly, now the emphasis of our public education is on teaching students what to care about without teaching them how to analyze and decide for themselves what it is that deserves their caring.

Another example of giving federal bureaucracy powers it ought not have is our campaign finance law. That law has succeeded only in reducing and not expanding the influence of the voters over our elected and appointed officials.

So far that which determines what is presented by our radio and TV media is profit and not the power of those elected or appointed seeking to get themselves re-elected or re-appointed.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Sep, 2007 10:42 pm
blatham wrote:
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I doubt any proposed remedy would be very effective so long as the media to which most people in the US attend remains in the hands of a handful of large corporate entities. Therefore, my first move would be to forward legislation regulating monopolization of information sources.


Ican wrote:
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The last thing that should be done is to increase control by federal government bureacracy over information flow and information sources. The federal bureacracy is the worst kind of monopoly or oligarky in that it doesn't have to compete for its power with anything inside the country governed. It's much better to have private corporations competing for more profit than such bureacracies being granted more power.


There's no need for a bureaucracy here, merely legislation which curtails monopolies. Perhaps you would do away with all such legislation and allow any and all monopolies to form across the spectrum of American business? What is the rationale for legislating restrictions on monopolies?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 09:33 am
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Matthews: V.P.'s office tried to silence me on Cheney's Iraq role
At a 10th anniversary party for "Hardball" last week, Chris Matthews said that Bush White House officials -- especially some in Dick Cheney's office -- had tried to "silence" him by putting pressure on executives at MSNBC.

Matthews' comments were a little cryptic, but now he's elaborating in an interview with TV Guide. Matthews says that there was a "concerted effort" -- carried out by three people linked to Cheney -- to kill discussion of the role Cheney's office played in trumpeting a supposed nuclear threat from Iraq.

"I thought on the 10th anniversary it would be good to celebrate the First Amendment, which gives us all our living," Matthews tells TV Guide. "We reviewed in brief the remarkable experience of covering the Clinton [scandal] and the defense of the war with Iraq. And the difference in these two cases was that although I was extremely tough on Clinton, there was never any attempt to silence me -- whereas there was a concerted effort by [Vice President Cheney's office] to silence me. It came in the form of three different people calling trying to quiet me."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?last_story=/politics/war_room/2007/10/12/gore3/
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 12:21 pm
Bernie wrote-

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What is the rationale for legislating restrictions on monopolies?


Isn't it to prevent private parties, merely by being clever and efficient, to become a more powerful force than Government itself?

Imagine, on the principle of natural selection, that one bank became the only bank.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 12:45 pm
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 01:26 pm
Well- it makes them feel good about themselves stamping SECRET on a document they have read or written and even more so if they stamp TOP SECRET on it. FOR PRESIDENT'S EYES ONLY is like snorting three lines.

And we want people who are looking after our welfare to feel good about themselves surely? Suppose a bunch of depressed and dejected people were in charge of such things with their expenses claims being paraded through media. That wouldn't do at all. Our enemies would run rings around an elite in that state of mind.

Anybody can get in on it if they do their homework and get top grades and have all the right boxes ticked. Media are just a bunch of lazy sods who retain unjustified ambitions and they hate sitting on the sidelines peeping at the action.

Mr Bush & Co are involved in wars. They are bound to have more secret stuff than Presidents in more peaceful times.

Mr Clinton's figure seems high considering.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 01:36 pm
And Mr Bush might have the administration working a lot harder than it did in Mr Clinton's day. And technological advances could well have caused more secret information to have become available.

The blithe assumption that Mr Bush is more secretive is just what one might expect of a little office full of despised, frustrated ne-er-do-wells.

It isn't an assumption that passes muster on A2K.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 08:34 am
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We are the Thought Police
Orwell's Big Brother never showed up. Instead of centralized Iraq war propaganda, we have an America in which the public and the press jointly impose their own controls.

Editor's note: This essay is excerpted from the anthology "What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics," edited by András Szántó. A related conference on journalism and public discourse takes place at the New York Public Library on Nov. 7.

By Michael Massing

Nov. 6, 2007 | At first glance, the war in Iraq would seem to represent the realization of George Orwell's darkest fears. In "Politics and the English Language," he expressed alarm over how political speech and language, degraded by euphemism, vagueness, and cliché, was used to defend the indefensible, to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable. Three years later, in "1984," Orwell offered an even grimmer vision, one in which an all-powerful Party, working through an all-seeing Ministry of Truth, manipulates and intimidates the public by pelting it with an endless series of distorted and fabricated messages.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/06/thought_police/
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 10:32 am
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For obvious reasons, it is highly disturbing that the U.S. Government imprisons journalists for years without bothering to charge them with any crime. The U.S. is doing the same with A.P. photojournalist Bilal Hussein. These aren't "prisoners of war" captured fighting on a battlefield, but rather, accredited journalists taking pictures and filming events that the U.S. Government dislikes.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/06/paul/
details http://www.cjr.org/cover_story/prisoner_345.php?page=1
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 10:37 am
Press freedom index (reporters without borders)
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=19388

US at 56 (and Canada is below Bolivia)
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 01:49 pm
Your previous three November 6th posts are at best MALARKEY and at worst Big Brother equivalent Newspeak.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 9 Nov, 2007 06:30 am
Rolling Eyes
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 08:39 am
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Murdoch Adds Beliefnet To His Media Arsenal

By E&P Staff

Published: December 04, 2007 2:05 PM ET

NEW YORK Rupert Murdoch added yet another island to his media empire with the purchase of Beliefnet, the largest faith and spirituality information site on the Web, for an undisclosed sum.

The religion-centric site will become part of Fox Digital Media, which consists mostly of News Corp.'s popular social networking site, MySpace. The move may be part of News Corp.'s efforts to expand its reach onto the Internet, where Wall Street sees the best growth opportunities for media conglomerates.

Beliefnet has around three million unique visitors each month and a daily email newsletter that reaches nearly 11 million subscribers. The company is not affiliated with any spiritual organization or movement
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003680869
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 01:16 pm
blatham wrote:
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Murdoch Adds Beliefnet To His Media Arsenal

By E&P Staff

Published: December 04, 2007 2:05 PM ET

NEW YORK Rupert Murdoch added yet another island to his media empire with the purchase of Beliefnet, the largest faith and spirituality information site on the Web, for an undisclosed sum.
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Who will win? Will it be George Soros's "Newspeak?" Or, will it be Rupert Murdoch's Truespeak?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 02:32 pm
ican711nm wrote:
blatham wrote:
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Murdoch Adds Beliefnet To His Media Arsenal

By E&P Staff

Published: December 04, 2007 2:05 PM ET

NEW YORK Rupert Murdoch added yet another island to his media empire with the purchase of Beliefnet, the largest faith and spirituality information site on the Web, for an undisclosed sum.
...

Who will win? Will it be George Soros's "Newspeak?" Or, will it be Rupert Murdoch's Truespeak?


Did you intentionally leave of the /sarcasm tag?

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 07:49 pm
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/060389.php

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Dan Bartlett, on the White House's use of right wing blogs:

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I mean, talk about a direct IV into the vein of your support. It's a very efficient way to communicate. They regurgitate exactly and put up on their blogs what you said to them. It is something that we've cultivated and have really tried to put quite a bit of focus on.


Are you right-wingers paying attention?

The WH isn't even trying to hide the fact that they are using your gullibility any longer. There isn't even a pretense that 'reporting' is going on.

In related news, one of the hack-ass reporters for the Washington Times quoted Karl Rove's 'math' as if it were a fact. When called on it, not only did he respond with a huge list of overly sexualized insults, he dropped this gem:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/5/111113/763

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And it was a news article, numbnuts. Rove said, I wrote. Get a clue. I'm a reporter, dillhole.


There's not even a pretense of 'critical reporting' on the right wing. Just stenography. The Bush admin uses right wing papers and blogs in order to get their message out, in the same way that direct mail was used before: a medium in which their word is not questioned, but regurgitated as fact. They can't put the facts out themselves, b/c the American public hate them and don't trust them, and that includes many right-wingers; but those same right-wingers have deluded themselves into thinking that their favorite blogs are seperate from the party machine in any way, or provide some sort of objective assessment. They do not.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 08:41 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:


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There's not even a pretense of 'critical reporting' on the right wing. Just stenography. The Bush admin uses right wing papers and blogs in order to get their message out, in the same way that direct mail was used before: a medium in which their word is not questioned, but regurgitated as fact. They can't put the facts out themselves, b/c the American public hate them and don't trust them, and that includes many right-wingers; but those same right-wingers have deluded themselves into thinking that their favorite blogs are seperate from the party machine in any way, or provide some sort of objective assessment. They do not.

Cycloptichorn

Carl Rove is long gone, but CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post, et al, are still at work. Now let's see your analysis of the absence of pretense of critical reporting on the left wing.

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Who will win? Will it be George Soros's "Newspeak?" Or, will it be Rupert Murdoch's Truespeak?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 09:56 am
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:


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There's not even a pretense of 'critical reporting' on the right wing. Just stenography. The Bush admin uses right wing papers and blogs in order to get their message out, in the same way that direct mail was used before: a medium in which their word is not questioned, but regurgitated as fact. They can't put the facts out themselves, b/c the American public hate them and don't trust them, and that includes many right-wingers; but those same right-wingers have deluded themselves into thinking that their favorite blogs are seperate from the party machine in any way, or provide some sort of objective assessment. They do not.

Cycloptichorn

Carl Rove is long gone, but CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post, et al, are still at work. Now let's see your analysis of the absence of pretense of critical reporting on the left wing.

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Who will win? Will it be George Soros's "Newspeak?" Or, will it be Rupert Murdoch's Truespeak?


There is no absence of such on the left wing. There's at least the pretense of it.

You should realize that Karl Rove isn't 'long gone' - he's writing columns for Newsweek now. Has he become a member of Soros' gang, then?

Cyclotichorn
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