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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 06:03 pm
Well advocating overturning Roe v Wade as bad law and bad medical science is not the same thing as not being pro choice. Though personally pro life, I supported Roe v Wade as it was written and intended as the best answer for an issue that had no good choices. The original intent and language has been so corrupted by the courts, however, that I would advocate it being chucked and replaced with a different law with the same intent but less able to be manipulated by socially activist courts. This may in fact be Thompson's position too--you can't tell from the little information we have.

Otherwise I don't have too many quarrels with him on his voting record and no quarrels on any issues that would be deal breakers for me.

And he has a stage presence and voice to die for. Smile
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--Foxfyre

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 03:14 am
Foxfyre wrote:
The original intent and language has been so corrupted by the courts, however, that I would advocate it being chucked and replaced with a different law with the same intent but less able to be manipulated by socially activist courts.

You must be talking about Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the case where the Supreme Court upheld the core points of Roe v. Wade, but backpedaled about their extent.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 08:00 am
<b>Alex Trebek</b> wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
The original intent and language has been so corrupted by the courts, however, that I would advocate it being chucked and replaced with a different law with the same intent but less able to be manipulated by socially activist courts.

You must be talking about Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the case where the Supreme Court upheld the core points of Roe v. Wade, but backpedaled about their extent.


I'm not familiar with that case, but it could be a good illustration, I am talking about the courts taking Roe v Wade far beyond its original intent and interpreting it to mean that there will be no restrictions on abortion of any kind at any time by any method for any reason. That trend has continued and probably will continue to do so. It has even attempted to extend the right to an abortion that supercedes parental jurisdiction or oversight. Whether or not you or anybody else thinks that should be the way it should be, that was NEVER the intention of Roe v Wade.

All I'm saying is that this may be where Thompson is coming from. He may have not changed his position on it at all though as you have already seen, his position can be taken out of context and thus may look like a flip flop when it actually isn't. The language of Roe v Wade is exquisite and compelling, but apparently not specific enough to prevent corruption of its intent.
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--Foxfyre

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 10:32 am
Rudy said that, as president, he would seek advice from his wife, and include her in cabinet meetings.

Does anyone know what her background is? I heard she was a hair stylist.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 1 Apr, 2007 01:44 pm
WASHINGTON - Shattering previous records, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton collected $26 million for her presidential campaign during the first three months of the year and transferred an additional $10 million from her Senate fundraising account, aides said Sunday.

The New York senator's total included $4.2 million raised through the Internet. The campaign did not specify how much of the $36 million was available only for the primary election and how much could be used just in the general election, if she were the party's nominee.

The amount outdistanced past presidential election records and set a high bar by which to measure the fundraising abilities of her chief rivals.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 09:01 am
Here is Doonsbury on "multiple-choice" Romney.

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html
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fishin
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 09:04 am
edgarblythe wrote:
WASHINGTON - Shattering previous records, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton collected $26 million for her presidential campaign during the first three months of the year and transferred an additional $10 million from her Senate fundraising account, aides said Sunday.

The New York senator's total included $4.2 million raised through the Internet. The campaign did not specify how much of the $36 million was available only for the primary election and how much could be used just in the general election, if she were the party's nominee.

The amount outdistanced past presidential election records and set a high bar by which to measure the fundraising abilities of her chief rivals.


I was pretty impressed with Clinton's numbers and then totally surprised that Romney came close to matching her. He has nowhere near the name recogniztion.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 09:26 am
fishin wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
WASHINGTON - Shattering previous records, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton collected $26 million for her presidential campaign during the first three months of the year and transferred an additional $10 million from her Senate fundraising account, aides said Sunday.

The New York senator's total included $4.2 million raised through the Internet. The campaign did not specify how much of the $36 million was available only for the primary election and how much could be used just in the general election, if she were the party's nominee.

The amount outdistanced past presidential election records and set a high bar by which to measure the fundraising abilities of her chief rivals.


I was pretty impressed with Clinton's numbers and then totally surprised that Romney came close to matching her. He has nowhere near the name recogniztion.


Religious folks give moolah.

He still has zero shot tho

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 09:38 am
I still recall Carter coming out of nowhere to win the presidency. As I recall, all he had going was a great smile.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 09:40 am
I voted for Clinton. If however, she does not make it to the general election and Rudy does my vote will go to Rudy. I am as fed up- with left wing democrats as I am with right wingnuts. It is time the radicals on both sides of the political spectrum be put out to pasture and some sanity be infused into our political process.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 09:43 am
Unfortunately, it appears that Romney has gone radical. Romney, in office, might turn out worse than Bush. In any event, Romney is a moving target.
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fishin
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:01 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Religious folks give moolah.

He still has zero shot tho

Cycloptichorn


It goes deeper than religious people having money. He has a tactic that many of his competitors can't use and it's working.

There is no way in h*ll I'd vote for him but his ability to attract money is still impressive.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:04 am
fishin wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Religious folks give moolah.

He still has zero shot tho

Cycloptichorn


It goes deeper than religious people having money. He has a tactic that many of his competitors can't use and it's working.

There is no way in h*ll I'd vote for him but his ability to attract money is still impressive.


What is that tactic?

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:05 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
fishin wrote:
I was pretty impressed with Clinton's numbers and then totally surprised that Romney came close to matching her. He has nowhere near the name recogniztion.


Religious folks give moolah.

That doesnt seem a very convincing argument, since Brownback, the ueber-religious candidate, got all of, what? $ 1.5 mil?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:06 am
Surprisingly (to me), Romney takes an early lead in the race for funds.

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/us/politics/03money.html?pagewanted=print]Today's New York Times[/url] wrote:
Romney Reaps $20 Million to Top G.O.P. Rivals

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

WASHINGTON, April 2 ?- Mitt Romney's presidential campaign said Monday that it had raised $20 million in the first quarter, tapping two distant but rich networks ?- Wall Street and the Mormon Church ?- to easily outpace his better-known Republican primary rivals.

Senator John McCain, the Arizona lawmaker once considered the front-runner, brought in $12.5 million, his campaign said. It was an unexpected shortfall that could hamper his momentum, and his campaign acknowledged disappointment. Former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's campaign said it had raised about $15 million.

Both of those figures would have set records in previous years, but on Monday, they were dwarfed by the money raised by Mr. Romney and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, who brought in $26 million.

The New York Times suggests that Romney is using the rolodex he built up as an investment banker at Bain Capital.
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fishin
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:06 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:

What is that tactic?

Cycloptichorn


This older Boston Globe article explains it better than I could.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/06/11/romney_strategy_pays_off_quickly/
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:08 am
nimh wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
fishin wrote:
I was pretty impressed with Clinton's numbers and then totally surprised that Romney came close to matching her. He has nowhere near the name recogniztion.


Religious folks give moolah.

That doesnt seem a very convincing argument, since Brownback, the ueber-religious candidate, got all of, what? $ 1.5 mil?


Holy ****. Would you believe that when I read Romney, I thought in my mind 'Brownback?'

Crazy, sorry for the error.

As to Romney - he has plenty of name rec amongst the base. But he's a mormon, and therefore doesn't have much of a shot at winning.

Cycloptichorn
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:11 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
As to Romney - he has plenty of name rec amongst the base. But he's a mormon, and therefore doesn't have much of a shot at winning.

That's what they said about Kennedy and his Catholicism.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:13 am
Thomas wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
As to Romney - he has plenty of name rec amongst the base. But he's a mormon, and therefore doesn't have much of a shot at winning.

That's what they said about Kennedy and his Catholicism.


Mmm hmmm. Catholicism is light-years more acceptable than Mormonism.

I understand religious tolerance, and all the counter-arguments that could be made; but I feel that people underestimate the amount of anti-Mormon sentiment held by many in America. Polling data seems to show that this holds up, as well...

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'd be overjoyed to see Romney get the Republican nod. He will lose to either Obama or Hillary (shudder)

Cycloptichorn
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2007 10:13 am
Thomas wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
As to Romney - he has plenty of name rec amongst the base. But he's a mormon, and therefore doesn't have much of a shot at winning.

That's what they said about Kennedy and his Catholicism.


Yet, he is the only mainstream candidate who has had only one wife.
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