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Confidence in your beliefs.

 
 
IFeelFree
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 12:03 am
kate4christ03 wrote:
all who make Christ their Savior are called sons of God but only Christ is called "only begotten son of God"

What is the difference between a "son of God" and "only begotten son of God"? Can only Christians can be Sons of God? What happens to devout follower of other religions?
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And it wasnt a Christ consciousness that was beaten and hung on a cross.

Every innocent person who is attacked by others and suffers, is crucified.
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and it wasnt a Christ consciousness that rose from the grave.

The resurrection is the complete triumph of Christ over the ego. Would you transcend your prison of ego and ascend to the Father?
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You have given a few verses that are written specifically to the church not to those that reject Christ.

So, you believe that only members of the Christian church can be Sons of God? Do you respect the beliefs of others, or do you feel that you are right and they are wrong, if they have different beliefs?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 07:46 am
maporsche wrote:
Same question for you that I just asked Kate.


The answer that Kate gave is the same answer I would give.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 01:58 pm
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What is the difference between a "son of God" and "only begotten son of God"? Can only Christians can be Sons of God? What happens to devout follower of other religions?

"only begotten son of GOd" means he is a one of a kind. THe only true son of God. people become sons or daughters of God when they make JEsus their Savior as the bible states. Christ himself said he is the ONLY WAY to God, so other paths or religions, according to Christs words are false.

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Every innocent person who is attacked by others and suffers, is crucified.

Christ was the only truly sinless person to die. and he died willingly for mankind.(as the bible states)

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The resurrection is the complete triumph of Christ over the ego. Would you transcend your prison of ego and ascend to the Father?

this is not scriptural. the resurrection was Christ's triumph over sin and death (as the bible states) and for us to ascend to the father, we have to make Christ our Savior and follow him(in every way) as the bible states
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So, you believe that only members of the Christian church can be Sons of God? Do you respect the beliefs of others, or do you feel that you are right and they are wrong, if they have different beliefs?

to be a son or daughter of God, according to Christ's own words in john, one must be born again and to do that one must repent of their sins and make Christ their Savior, believing he is Gods only son who died for us and rose from the grave. If a person rejects this teaching(which is straight from Christ's words) then they are condemned (as Christ said). I stated earlier i try to respect all people, and i love all people but i dont respect any religion or teaching that is contradictory to the bible.
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IFeelFree
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 04:05 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
Christ himself said he is the ONLY WAY to God, so other paths or religions, according to Christs words are false.

Do you realize how that comes across to other people? It is saying, in effect, that you are right and I (or anyone who has a different understanding) am wrong. End of discussion. You justify that point of view based on your understanding of Jesus' words. If I have a different interpretation, I must be wrong? Is it possible that you've oversimplified his teachings? Understand that I'm NOT saying that surrender to Christ isn't a perfectly valid way to find salvation. I'm saying it is not the only way. The teachings of Jesus have become distorted over the centuries. The bible has been modified and altered in translation. It is still a sacred document because it has the power to effect a spiritual transformation in someone who is ready and open to it. However, the bible and the teachings of Jesus have become misunderstood and certain wrong ideas such as the one you are expressing have come into Christianity. To tell a Jew or Hindu or Muslim that they are wrong and are going to hell when they die comes across as arrogant. I don't want to question your faith in Christ or your religious conviction. I support your spiritual journey. I just wish that you had a more open mind about spirituality. Do you see that my motive is a decent one, or do you think that I'm lost or ignorant because I don't have the same point of view as you?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 04:11 pm
Well, in the end, I would have to agree with famed atheist Bertrand Russel's contention that with all the religions in the world having competing doctrines regarding the absolute, only one can be right.

Russell, as we know, chose to believe none of them could be right.

I believe there is one. Only one. One which may be found by those who search.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 04:21 pm
neologist wrote:
Well, in the end, I would have to agree with famed atheist Bertrand Russel's contention that with all the religions in the world having competing doctrines regarding the absolute, only one can be right.

Russell, as we know, chose to believe none of them could be right.

I believe there is one. Only one. One which may be found by those who search.


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Of course the greater possibility is that none of them are correct.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 04:25 pm
When you consider the many possibilities, is it all that errant to be off by only one? :wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 04:25 pm
Yes

I have confidence in my briefs. Thank you for your concern.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 05:26 pm
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Do you realize how that comes across to other people? It is saying, in effect, that you are right and I (or anyone who has a different understanding) am wrong. End of discussion. You justify that point of view based on your understanding of Jesus' words. If I have a different interpretation, I must be wrong? Is it possible that you've oversimplified his teachings? Understand that I'm NOT saying that surrender to Christ isn't a perfectly valid way to find salvation. I'm saying it is not the only way. The teachings of Jesus have become distorted over the centuries. The bible has been modified and altered in translation. It is still a sacred document because it has the power to effect a spiritual transformation in someone who is ready and open to it. However, the bible and the teachings of Jesus have become misunderstood and certain wrong ideas such as the one you are expressing have come into Christianity. To tell a Jew or Hindu or Muslim that they are wrong and are going to hell when they die comes across as arrogant. I don't want to question your faith in Christ or your religious conviction. I support your spiritual journey. I just wish that you had a more open mind about spirituality. Do you see that my motive is a decent one, or do you think that I'm lost or ignorant because I don't have the same point of view as you?


Christ himself said his words would divide families. I am not misinterpreting his words. i can give you verbatim verse upon verse that says all i have stated. it is your opinion of Christ's words that are wrong. you have nothing to stand on, by what you are saying the bible teaches. i believe everyone has a right to choose whichever path they wish to follow but i also stand firmly on the belief that Jesus died for us and he is the only way to salvation. i cant be openminded in my belief, for to do so would contradict the words of Jesus. being arrogant isnt my intent. bc i am nothing without Jesus. but i will not back down on what the bible says because i know it is the truth.
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IFeelFree
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:07 pm
So, we have confirmation from neologist and kate4chris03, two of our resident Christians, that following Christ is the only way to salvation. It is not hard to understand why many people have a problem with Christians for that reason. Is it very different than the Muslim fanatics who believe that non-Muslims are infidels who need to be converted or destroyed?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:16 pm
IFeelFree wrote:
Is it very different than the Muslim fanatics who believe that non-Muslims are infidels who need to be converted or destroyed?


No. Not different at all.

I get the impression that Neo is a little more flexible than kate, but kate appears to be very firm and adament in her beliefs (or at least thats how she's portraying herself). I sure hope they (and Pascal Smile are right about their chosen god.

I prefer to not worry about it and remain ignorant to god.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:20 pm
it's ironic that you spout "openmindedness" yet the minute your faced with a view that isn't your own, you accuse those that believe this as being nothing more than murderers. what an openminded person you are.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:27 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
it's ironic that you spout "openmindedness" yet the minute your faced with a view that isn't your own, you accuse those that believe this as being nothing more than murderers. what an openminded person you are.



me?
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:28 pm
and marporsche it is very different. a muslim or any religious person who believes they have the right to kill another human being for holding a contradictory religious belief is evil. i have stated many times that while i will respect the right of every individual to believe as they wish, i believe that Christ is the only way. that doesn't make me a murderer or even justify lumping those of us who believe this with murderers. i find it humorous to see the so called "openminded" people get absolutely rabid when faced with views they don't agree with. they are just as narrowminded as us christians. but atleast we are honest about it Very Happy
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:32 pm
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kate4christ03 wrote:
it's ironic that you spout "openmindedness" yet the minute your faced with a view that isn't your own, you accuse those that believe this as being nothing more than murderers. what an openminded person you are.

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me?




maporsche sorry no that comment was for ifeel, yours is right under it
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:39 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
and marporsche it is very different.


Not VERY different.

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a muslim or any religious person who believes they have the right to kill another human being for holding a contradictory religious belief is evil.


Fair enough. Those people are f*cked up, no doubt.

What about the other BILLION muslims who don't believe that?

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i have stated many times that while i will respect the right of every individual to believe as they wish, i believe that Christ is the only way.


You respect my right to believe (or in my case, not believe) as I wish?....wow, thanks Kate.

BUT.......you belive I'm also going to burn in hell for my belief. If I could paraphase this type of 'approval' as "Burn in hell all you want, see if I care.". Is that an accurate paraphrase of your respect for my belief?


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that doesn't make me a murderer or even justify lumping those of us who believe this with murderers.


Nope, not in at least a 100 years have there really been some extreme larger scale Christain themed murders in America....now the rest of the world, that's a different story.

But, you're right. No single belief or action of a group applies to everyone.

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i find it humorous to see the so called "openminded" people get absolutely rabid when faced with views they don't agree with.


Who's rabid?
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:49 pm
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Not VERY different

yes very different. i'm not gonna whack someone's head off because they don't beleive in Christ.
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You respect my right to believe (or in my case, not believe) as I wish?....wow, thanks Kate.

your welcome :wink:
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BUT.......you belive I'm also going to burn in hell for my belief. If I could paraphase this type of 'approval' as "Burn in hell all you want, see if I care.". Is that an accurate paraphrase of your respect for my belief?
first off i never said i respected your belief, on the contrary i said i dont have any respect for any view that is contradictory to the bible. but i do (as long as you dont screw it up) respect you. and my view that ppl who reject Christ go to hell, isn't mine its what the bible says ( i just happen to beleive the bible) if it were up to me, noone would go to hell, that is why im evangelical. bc i would love to see others come to know Jesus and go to heaven.
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Who's rabid?

so you feel its pretty sane to equate neo and myself with bombwielding murderers bc we believe Jesus is the only way to salvation???
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Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:51 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
.........any religious person who believes they have the right to kill another human being for holding a contradictory religious belief is evil.
What if the human being holding this contradictory religious belief not only believes in but practices torturing and murdering people of "inferior race"?
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 07:59 pm
well chum since it was said about neo and myself, i can honestly say that i dont torture or murder others and though i cant say for sure, i doubt neo does either. Very Happy
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IFeelFree
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 08:27 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
it's ironic that you spout "openmindedness" yet the minute your faced with a view that isn't your own, you accuse those that believe this as being nothing more than murderers. what an openminded person you are.

I don't contest your belief. What I cannot understand is how you would say that others, many of them good people, who believe differently are wrong, and that they will be condemned to hell. I did not accuse you of being a murderer. You believe that God will send non-Christians to hell so, in a sense, you have God to do the dirty work. Terrorism by proxy.
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