Confidence in your beliefs.

I know what you're saying.....but you obviously think that Kate is wrong. She either is wrong, or she isn't wrong.

You can't say the only way to heavan is this way.
And then Kate say's that the only way to heavan is her way.
And have both of you be 'right'.

Either Kate is wrong, or Kate is right. Her level of understanding or knowledge does not change that fact.

We're both right!

IFeelFree wrote:

We're both right!

Or you're both wrong.....

maporsche wrote:

IFeelFree wrote:

We're both right!

Or you're both wrong.....

You're right too!

Well this is my first post, and i hope that it hasn't already been debated on elsewhere.
What i wanted to discuss was this, I do not belive in god in any religous way, however i do belive that there is, for a lack of a better phrase, "afterlife". I obviously have no evidence to back up my statement.
But if science is right then the whole universe and everything in it is a fluke, a massive coincidence. I don't know if it just my brain not functioning properly but i cant get to grips with that.Also i am not a hundred percent but i am pretty sure they can jump start a heart, how come they cant give a dying brain a reboost? is it because they cant simulate the energy that controls it? i heard somewhere that it might be kinetic energy, if this is true then it has to go somewhere right? (sorry for the choice of words im not as articulate as some people.)
At the same time i cant belive that there is a all seeing all powerful entity that gorverns over us, running the risk of insulting some people, i think religion is just a tool to try and govern over the population. I mean in the bible,in the second part it says to love your neighbor and care for others, when the first part is incest and murder, plauges and floods. Im sorry but this is coming from a god who said something along the lines of "Because you ate the apple im going to give you and all your daughters and their daughters (and so on) pains in their belly once a month for a week. (That is, IF you belive it.)From what i can gather IF the christian god is a real entity,hes not a peaceful loving creator, hes probably the opposite.

The quote that says "God made man in his own image" i think can be taken one of two ways.

1. He made us how he wanted us to be.
2. We are of HIS image, a mirror of him. That makes him like man i mean is he man-like or a great big ray of light?

Also one other thing, i see people everyday and they are all so confident that what they belive is IT, nothing else is going to sway them, to be fair im kinda envious of them because im constantly struggling with the "is there? isn't there?" it just something i cant get a fix on, but reading a earlier post discusing wether life was pointless or not a lot of people have one hundred percent, one way or the other, got a grip on their morality or spitiuality or whatever, im just curious as to how and why that their so sure they are right.

I really don't want to upset anybody i just want to ask others opinions on these thoughts. i understand that the beauty of this planet we live on is that we are all born free, free to belive what we want and live our lives the way we see fit. I have full respect for others opinions and beliefs.

maporsche wrote:

I know what you're saying.....but you obviously think that Kate is wrong. She either is wrong, or she isn't wrong.

You can't say the only way to heavan is this way.
And then Kate say's that the only way to heavan is her way.
And have both of you be 'right'.

Either Kate is wrong, or Kate is right. Her level of understanding or knowledge does not change that fact.

I am not saying that only way to heaven is my way. However, you are correct that she is saying the only way to heaven is her way. From her perspective, to stray from her beliefs would be to lose her way. So, in her own way she is right (for her). Perhaps if she would take up my path it would not be right for her and she would become disillusioned with spirituality, be unhappy, etc. (I don't know that. I'm just speculating "what if".) So, she is right for her. I am right because, from my perspective, all spiritual paths lead to God ultimately. We're both right!

IFeelFree wrote:

maporsche wrote:

I know what you're saying.....but you obviously think that Kate is wrong. She either is wrong, or she isn't wrong.

You can't say the only way to heavan is this way.
And then Kate say's that the only way to heavan is her way.
And have both of you be 'right'.

Either Kate is wrong, or Kate is right. Her level of understanding or knowledge does not change that fact.

I am not saying that only way to heaven is my way. However, you are correct that she is saying the only way to heaven is her way. From her perspective, to stray from her beliefs would be to lose her way. So, in her own way she is right (for her). Perhaps if she would take up my path it would not be right for her and she would become disillusioned with spirituality, be unhappy, etc. (I don't know that. I'm just speculating "what if".) So, she is right for her. I am right because, from my perspective, all spiritual paths lead to God ultimately. We're both right!

If you believe two different things, how can you both be right? In some situations, maybe. But there is an absolute truth. We say all beliefs are equal because we don't want to upset anyone, and we can't prove who's right. But there is a right answer.

What if someone said 2x2 was 4, and another said 2x2 was 67. Could they both be right?

IFeelFree wrote:

maporsche wrote:

I know what you're saying.....but you obviously think that Kate is wrong. She either is wrong, or she isn't wrong.

You can't say the only way to heavan is this way.
And then Kate say's that the only way to heavan is her way.
And have both of you be 'right'.

Either Kate is wrong, or Kate is right. Her level of understanding or knowledge does not change that fact.

I am not saying that only way to heaven is my way. However, you are correct that she is saying the only way to heaven is her way. From her perspective, to stray from her beliefs would be to lose her way. So, in her own way she is right (for her). Perhaps if she would take up my path it would not be right for her and she would become disillusioned with spirituality, be unhappy, etc. (I don't know that. I'm just speculating "what if".) So, she is right for her. I am right because, from my perspective, all spiritual paths lead to God ultimately. We're both right!

If you believe two different things, how can you both be right? In some situations, maybe. But there is an absolute truth. We say all beliefs are equal because we don't want to upset anyone, and we can't prove who's right. But there is a right answer.

What if someone said 2x2 was 4, and another said 2x2 was 67. Could they both be right?

BlueAwesomeness wrote:

IFeelFree wrote:

maporsche wrote:

I know what you're saying.....but you obviously think that Kate is wrong. She either is wrong, or she isn't wrong.

You can't say the only way to heavan is this way.
And then Kate say's that the only way to heavan is her way.
And have both of you be 'right'.

Either Kate is wrong, or Kate is right. Her level of understanding or knowledge does not change that fact.

I am not saying that only way to heaven is my way. However, you are correct that she is saying the only way to heaven is her way. From her perspective, to stray from her beliefs would be to lose her way. So, in her own way she is right (for her). Perhaps if she would take up my path it would not be right for her and she would become disillusioned with spirituality, be unhappy, etc. (I don't know that. I'm just speculating "what if".) So, she is right for her. I am right because, from my perspective, all spiritual paths lead to God ultimately. We're both right!

If you believe two different things, how can you both be right? In some situations, maybe. But there is an absolute truth. We say all beliefs are equal because we don't want to upset anyone, and we can't prove who's right. But there is a right answer.

What if someone said 2x2 was 4, and another said 2x2 was 67. Could they both be right?

Life is not as straightforward as math. You may claim to know the truth and have spoken to God, but how do we know you aren't schitzophrenic? A feeling does not constitute absolute proof or truth, quite the contrary. It might be proof to you but not no anyone else.

BlueAwesomeness wrote:

IFeelFree wrote:

maporsche wrote:

I know what you're saying.....but you obviously think that Kate is wrong. She either is wrong, or she isn't wrong.

You can't say the only way to heavan is this way.
And then Kate say's that the only way to heavan is her way.
And have both of you be 'right'.

Either Kate is wrong, or Kate is right. Her level of understanding or knowledge does not change that fact.

I am not saying that only way to heaven is my way. However, you are correct that she is saying the only way to heaven is her way. From her perspective, to stray from her beliefs would be to lose her way. So, in her own way she is right (for her). Perhaps if she would take up my path it would not be right for her and she would become disillusioned with spirituality, be unhappy, etc. (I don't know that. I'm just speculating "what if".) So, she is right for her. I am right because, from my perspective, all spiritual paths lead to God ultimately. We're both right!

If you believe two different things, how can you both be right? In some situations, maybe. But there is an absolute truth. We say all beliefs are equal because we don't want to upset anyone, and we can't prove who's right. But there is a right answer.

What if someone said 2x2 was 4, and another said 2x2 was 67. Could they both be right?

Yes, from a higher perspective, there is one right answer. However, from a limited perspective there may be a different right answer which is more appropriate and useful to a particular person's level of understanding. For example, not long ago someone posted on one of the threads here (using a math example!) that the factorial function is undefined for for non-integer values. They are correct according to their level of understanding. However, from a more advance understanding of mathematics one can say that for non-integer numbers, the factorial function is generalized as the Euler gamma function. However, that might no mean anything to someone who has not studied advanced mathematics. So, we are both right from our own perspectives. Of course, you are right in that the second understanding is "more correct" because it reflects a higher knowledge of mathematics.

From the point of view of kate4christ03, surrender to the personality of Christ is the correct interpretation, because that is an understanding that she can understand and apply. My understanding of Christ's statement that he is the only way to the Father is based on my experience of the inner love-bliss that in this context I call "Christ-consciousness" which is the way to the father -- the absolute unmanifest, beyond form. As to which understanding is "more correct", is not for me to say.

Let me help you guys out. I say this without conceit... Im right. and it's not me or my own intelligence etc. Im right because Christ is real and he is Truth and he is the only way.

I am in agreement with you there Kate!

Let me help you guys out. I say this without conceit... Im right. and it's not me or my own intelligence etc. Im right because Christ is real and he is Truth and he is the only way.

Jesus did not mean that he was the sole son of God, but that no-one can attain the transcendent Father until activating the "son" or Christ-consciousness. It is not Christ the personality who is the way to the Father, it is the inner spirit, or Christ-consciousness that is the way to the Father.

So, based on this, is Blue going to hell? If he's wrong in Christ's opinion, is he destined for eternal damnation?

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So, based on this, is Blue going to hell? If he's wrong in Christ's opinion, is he destined for eternal damnation?

according to the bible (which i believe) GOd gives everyone the chance to know him and his son and if one rejects Christ as his or her Savior, they will go to hell. but i am not going to judge anyones personal spiritual walk, i leave that up to God. I just tell people what is in the bible.

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So, based on this, is Blue going to hell? If he's wrong in Christ's opinion, is he destined for eternal damnation?

according to the bible (which i believe) GOd gives everyone the chance to know him and his son and if one rejects Christ as his or her Savior, they will go to hell. but i am not going to judge anyones personal spiritual walk, i leave that up to God. I just tell people what is in the bible.