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Gonzales must resign now. "Mistakes were made."

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 11:35 am
mm wrote on May 7: and btw if sitting on my ass while being clueless about what's really going on in Iraq is good enough for the president then by God it's good enough for me. I'm a patriot.


then he writes today: And yes,I do agree that the GOP is in disarray.
And yes,I do agree that much of the blame can be placed at the feet of George Bush. He is NOT a conservative,no matter how much he tries to convince everyone he is.

But, as he said on May 7, he agrees with Bush, because he's a patriot.

What's wrong with this duck's affirmation that 1) much of the blame can be placed at the feet of George Bush, and 2) "..Iraq is good enough for the prsident then by God it's good enough for me." This duck wants it both ways.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 12:59 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm wrote on May 7: and btw if sitting on my ass while being clueless about what's really going on in Iraq is good enough for the president then by God it's good enough for me. I'm a patriot.


then he writes today: And yes,I do agree that the GOP is in disarray.
And yes,I do agree that much of the blame can be placed at the feet of George Bush. He is NOT a conservative,no matter how much he tries to convince everyone he is.

But, as he said on May 7, he agrees with Bush, because he's a patriot.

What's wrong with this duck's affirmation that 1) much of the blame can be placed at the feet of George Bush, and 2) "..Iraq is good enough for the prsident then by God it's good enough for me." This duck wants it both ways.


The quote you are trying to give me credit for,the one dated May 7,was NOT written by me,and you know it.

It was actually written by Bi-Polar Bear,and I quoted him in my response.

Since you seem incapable of actually checking that yourself,here is the quote by BPB,along with a link to that page...

Quote:
and btw if sitting on my ass while being clueless about what's really going on in Iraq is good enough for the president then by God it's good enough for me. I'm a patriot.


http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2646938&highlight=#2646938

Now,I expect you to admit your mistake and correct your post.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 01:23 pm
I admit my mistake. Hoorah!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 01:27 pm
mysteryman

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Forum: Politics Posted: May 7th 2007, 21:55 Subject: Should we be involved?
and btw if sitting on my ass while being clueless about what's really going on in Iraq is good enough for the president then by God it's good enough for me. I'm a patriot.

If its good enough for y ...
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 09:49 am
Border case puts U.S. attorney on defensive
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sutton14may14,0,5367462.story?coll=la-home-nation

Border case puts U.S. attorney on defensive
Johnny Sutton prosecuted a pair of agents who shot a fleeing Mexican smuggler. Conservatives are up in arms.
By Richard A. Serrano
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 14, 2007

WASHINGTON ?- Internet cartoons show him with horns and the word "TRAITOR" branded on his forehead. Conservative talk radio derides him as "Johnny Satan." At least two Republican congressmen, normally staunch defenders of the Bush administration, have castigated him on the House floor.

If the White House and Justice Department had added Johnny Sutton to the list of federal prosecutors to be fired, his ouster probably would not have raised an eyebrow among Democrats, and it would have pleased much of the president's conservative base.

Sutton is the U.S. attorney in west Texas. Based in San Antonio, his border district reaches to El Paso. For five years he has been the top federal lawman in one of the nation's busiest regions, a job he long dreamed of having. It also is one he secured with deep ties to President Bush and Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales, going back to their time in state government in Austin.

The uproar is over his prosecution of two U.S. Border Patrol agents for the February 2005 shooting of a fleeing Mexican drug smuggler near El Paso, a shooting the agents tried to cover up. Last year, Sutton's office won convictions against Agents Ignacio "Nacho" Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

Each was a line officer in what many people consider a hopeless chore: trying to hold back a deluge of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Each is a father of three. And each was sentenced to more than a decade in prison: Ramos to 11 years, Compean to 12.

"This was a serious, serious crime," Sutton said Thursday on a conservative radio program in Houston, trying again to calm the anger on the political right. "It is a serious crime when law enforcement officers shoot at somebody, shoot him in the back as he's running away, and then cover up the crime."

The agents were sentenced in October, just as the White House and Justice Department were preparing plans to fire eight other federal prosecutors, and the parallel events have left normally strong Bush supporters disappointed that Sutton was not terminated too.

"Johnny Sutton has lied to the American people," Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Huntingon Beach) proclaimed in a House floor speech in March. "Sutton prosecuted the good guys and gave immunity to the bad guys."

T.J. Bonner, head of the union that represents most of the Border Patrol agents, was more forceful in a recent interview. "Johnny Sutton acts like he's America's best friend," Bonner said. "He should be America's Most Wanted."

Sutton, who did not return phone calls for this article, runs a huge district of 93,000 square miles, including 660 miles of the border with Mexico. His staff of 260 employees, including 118 assistant prosecutors, handles federal cases in 68 Texas counties and three of the state's largest cities, San Antonio, El Paso and Austin.

Sutton heads the Attorney General's Advisory Committee, which helps set policies and goals devised by Washington and the 93 U.S. attorneys' offices nationwide, and he often was notified by Washington about the planned firings.

For instance, D. Kyle Sampson, who was chief of staff to Gonzales, worried that the dismissed prosecutors might appeal to Sutton for help in keeping their jobs. So in November, Sampson sent Sutton a list of specific responses he should give them on why they had to go. If they called and asked, "Why me?," he was to tell them it was to "give someone else the chance to serve in your district." (It is unclear whether any did appeal to him.)

Two days before the Dec. 7 firings, Sampson advised that Sutton should be immediately notified so he was "not caught unawares." Deputy Atty. Gen. Paul McNulty agreed to "talk to Johnny."

A week after the firings, Sampson sent e-mails to top Justice officials, including Sutton, advising that some fired prosecutors were complaining. McNulty responded that Sutton and others should try to ease the bruised feelings. "Some hand-holding may calm things down," McNulty told Sutton.

Sutton is used to adversity. Friends recalled that despite his small stature, he played left field for the University of Texas baseball squad, though he always feared he would get cut. "He's just very, very tenacious, and every year he would win the position again," said Houston defense lawyer Rusty Hardin, a former state prosecutor in Houston who gave Sutton his first shot at government service.

After Sutton earned a law degree in 1987, he went to work for Hardin. Sutton likes to recall, as he did during the Houston radio interview, that he tried 17 murder cases "and I put three people on death row."

His career took a turn in 1995, when then-Gov. George W. Bush appointed him his law enforcement policy advisor, moving him to Austin and putting him close to both Bush and Gonzales, then the governor's general counsel. For five years Sutton coordinated various state police agencies, and he oversaw an attempt to change the juvenile justice code, though the program failed to pass in the Legislature.

All three men ?- Bush, Gonzales and Sutton ?- seemed a nice fit, recalled former Bush advisor Cathy Cochran, now a judge on the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. "They thought a lot alike," she said. "There was a great mutual trust and admiration for each other."

After the 2000 presidential election, Sutton moved to Washington and worked on Bush's transition team as a Justice Department policy coordinator. For Bush's first year in the White House, Sutton served as an associate deputy attorney general, and then in late 2001, with Bush's blessing, he took the reins as U.S. attorney in west Texas.

There he was regarded as reliable and tough on crime, helping police one of the most difficult sections of the southwest border corridor.

Then came the Ramos-Compean shooting in February 2005.

The agents stopped a van they suspected was involved in smuggling Mexicans just east of El Paso. It turned out the van was carrying 743 pounds of marijuana. The driver, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, fled on foot ?- because, he says, one of them tried to beat him ?- and they shot at him about 15 times, hitting him once, in his buttocks.

The agents would later say they feared Aldrete-Davila was armed. He says he was not.

The agents were found guilty of assault with a dangerous weapon, violating AldreteDavila's civil rights and defacing a crime scene. They tossed their shotgun casings into the Rio Grande to hide the evidence, prosecutors said.

Aldrete-Davila has sued the federal government for $5 million over his injuries.

The idea of federal police going to jail while an alleged criminal sues for a large sum has enraged the right against Sutton.

"Our federal government needs to get on the right side of the border conflict, and that is the American side," Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas) said in a House floor speech in March.

Poe, Rohrabacher and several dozen other Congress members have written Bush urging him to commute the sentences, calling them "a travesty of justice."

Border watchdog groups said they had faxed tens of thousands of citizen signatures to Washington urging a pardon. Sutton, they said, should be behind bars.

"He ought to be impeached and thrown into the same jail cells as Ramos and Compean," said Andy Ramirez, head of the California-based Friends of the Border Patrol.

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow was asked in March whether Bush would jettison Sutton; he declined to respond because of "ongoing legal deliberations in the case."

McNulty was asked during a congressional hearing whether Sutton was ever considered for termination with the others. McNulty answered with an emphatic "no."

Sutton himself has not sat idly by.

A month before the two sentences were handed down, he issued a rare, three-page written response to public "inaccuracies" regarding the prosecution of the two agents.

"It is a violation of any person's constitutional right to shoot at them after they have attempted to surrender, knowing they are unarmed and pose no danger to the officers or anyone else," he said.

His defenders, such as Hardin and Cochran, find it ironic that the same conservative base that supported the Bush administration would turn on Sutton. "I get so offended by that," Hardin said, angered that his friend was being compared to the devil.

On the Houston radio show, Sutton challenged the host: "You see me now, and I'm not Satan," he said. "I've got no horns. But you've been calling me Johnny Satan."

Well, said host Edd Hendee on KSEV radio, "the jury's out on that."

Sutton fired back, "Are you kidding? Calling me Satan is not personal?"
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 02:54 pm
A right wing lynch mob is going after Sutton for political gain. All Sutton did was prosecute two corrupt border agents, who were convicted fair and square.

I discussed the true facts of this matter earlier, and I hate to see this fearless prosecutor wrongly accused. I think that Lou Dobbs started this when, for months, he made the agents look like angels and Sutton like a runaway prosecutor. Dobbs dug such a hole that his reputation would be at risk were he to now admit that he erred. He once interviewed Sutton, whom he interrupted so often that Sutton couldn't adequately make his case. Disgusting!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 03:46 pm
Back on topic,

McNulty's out. Wonder who else will fall this week, before Goodling testifies?

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 09:24 pm
From the AP article on McNulty's resignation.

McNulty also irked Gonzales by testifying in February that at least one of the fired prosecutors was ordered to make way for a protege of Karl Rove, President Bush's chief political adviser. Gonzales, who has resisted lawmakers' calls to resign, maintains the firings were proper, and rooted in the prosecutors' lackluster performances.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 06:59 am
Another interesting side note in a Federal trial in Minneapolis.

Quote:
In his closing arguments, Gerdts contended that politics had infected the case.

Because child pornography is universally reviled, Gerdts said, it's easy to make it a public priority, "particularly when you're unable to manage the office."

Judge sustains objection

Assistant U.S. Attorney Michelle Jones sprang to her feet and objected at the reference to her embattled boss, U.S. Attorney Rachel Paulose, who is grappling with an upheaval among several career prosecutors. Doty told the jury to disregard Gerdts' remarks.

Outside of court, Gerdts noted that Paulose has declared that the prosecution of child-pornography cases is a top priority of her office. In the case of Furukawa, he said, the government "failed to exercise proper prosecutorial discretion."Mr. Furukawa spent more than a year in jail," Gerdts said, "and he's not guilty."

NY man cleared of child-porn charges
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:25 am
Comey's testifying right now about this case, and what he knew about it before he left; and I must say, there certainly were a lot of conversations with Bush and Rove, who ignored Comey's advice...

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:28 am
Is that in front of the house or the senate?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:29 am
Senate Judiciary

Arlen Spector was the only Republican who showed up, lol

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:31 am
Hah! Is it over now then? I saw already there's an article out about Comey not reauthorizing the spying program while Ashcroft was in the hospital. I wonder what other juicy bits I missed.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:32 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Hah! Is it over now then? I saw already there's an article out about Comey not reauthorizing the spying program while Ashcroft was in the hospital. I wonder what other juicy bits I missed.


Couldn't watch it myself (screw Realplayer!) but apparently there was some pretty strong opinions voiced...

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:34 am
How can Gonzales know that mistakes were made when he can't recall anything that actually happened?

Laughing
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:36 am
My favorite is how he always says "I accept responsibility" as if merely saying it made it so. I want so badly for someone to ask "how exactly are you accepting responsibility if you are unwilling to pay any consequences?"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 11:09 am
Gonzales still doesn't "get it." "I take responsibility" usually has consequences, but he wants none of it.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 11:45 am
"Taking responsibility" is a favorite, and meaningless, phrase with this administration. Bush has stated this, but, for some reason, hasn't resigned or paid damages for the actions for which he was responsible.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 11:59 am
Ashcroft's ex-no. 2 says Gonzales, Cheney tried to take advantage of sick Attorney General Michael Roston
Published: Tuesday May 15, 2007


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The former second-in-command at the Justice Department from 2003 through 2005 on Tuesday detailed a March 2004 incident in which top members of the Bush administration, including Alberto Gonzales and members of Vice President Dick Cheney's staff, worked to subvert a legal certification process for the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretapping program. One Republican senator compared the episode to President Richard Nixon's efforts to disrupt the Watergate investigation.

James Comey was the Deputy Attorney General first under Attorney General John Ashcroft, and briefly under Alberto Gonzales. He testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday as part of continuing oversight pertaining to the firing of US Attorneys by the Bush administration.

However, most of the hearing focused on a March 2004 incident concerning a deadline for an internal authorization at the Justice Department of the legality of the warrantless domestic spying program of the National Security Agency. The deadline for the legal certification of the domestic spying program, called the 'Terrorist Surveillance Program' by the Bush administration, was approaching, and Comey as Acting Attorney General refused to approve it.

"[The program] went forward without certification from the Department of Justice as to its legality," Comey told Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA) in explaining his threat to resign over the incident in 2004.

"I can understand why you would feel compelled to resign in that context, once a decision had been made by the executive branch, presumably by the President...something was going forward that was illegal," Specter, the Ranking Judiciary Committee Republican, said in response.

Specter remarked earlier that the incident reminded him of Nixon's style of governance.

"It has some of the characteristics of the 'Saturday night massacre,'" the Pennsylvania Republican said, referring to President Nixon's purge of investigators of the Watergate break-in in 1973, which ultimately led to Nixon's near impeachment and eventual resignation from office.

"The story is a shocking one. It makes you almost gulp," Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) had said after Comey recounted his experience. "When we have a situation where the laws of this country...are not respected because somebody thinks there's a higher goal, we run askew of the very purpose of what democracy and rule of law are about."

In early March 2004, Ashcroft had been incapacitated, and was in the hospital, resulting in Comey serving as Acting Attorney General until Ashcroft was able to return to office.

Subsequently, Gonzales, serving then as White House Counsel, and Andrew Card, former White House Chief of Staff, arrived at Ashcroft's hospital bed, and asked the sick Attorney General to give his approval for the program. Ashcroft stated his strong opposition to the re-authorization. But then he added that his opinion was not important.

"But that doesn't matter, because I'm not the Attorney General, there's the Attorney General," Comey claimed Ashcroft said, with Ashcroft pointing at the Deputy Attorney General who was in the hospital room at the time. "The two men did not acknowledge me, they turned and walked from the room."

Comey was called to the White House by Card almost immediately thereafter, but said he would not meet Card without Solicitor General Theodore Olson as a witness because the Acting Attorney General was concerned with the conduct of the top White House officials.

"I was angry, I thought I had just witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man who did not have the powers of the Attorney General because they had been transferred to me," he explained.

Comey further explained that a "large number" of officials within the Justice Department were threatening to resign as a consequence of the incident, including Comey.

Specter asked Comey who disagreed with his refusal to authorize the spying program other than Gonzales and Card. The former Deputy Attorney General said that Vice President Dick Cheney and his Chief of Staff, David Addington both made their opposition known to him. He said neither explicitly threatened him.

On Thursday, March 11, 2004, the same day as the Madrid train bombings by al Qaida-linked terrorists, the legality of the spying program was reauthorized by the White House without Justice Department approval, and Comey prepared a letter of resignation. However, he served through 2005.

In response to questioning from Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Comey also said the program operated for two to three weeks without Justice Department authorization.

Comey's account confirmed some details of a 2006 New York Times story. Lichtblau and Risen's 2006 account of the episode, which Comey did not confirm at the time, is available at this link. Lichtblau and Risen won the Pulizer Prize in 2006 for earlier reporting on the NSA's warrantless wiretapping program.

During questioning with Senator Schumer, Comey said he had only earlier discussed this incident in the course of an FBI investigation into a leak. He did not say if the leak dealt with Lichtblau and Risen's reporting on the warrantless wiretapping programs, or if he was the source of the leaks that brought it into the open.

Throughout the hearing, Comey also refused to confirm that the warrantless wiretapping program was the subject of the March 2004 incident in question, though the senators in the hearing referred to it on a number of occasions. Senator Specter suggested that closed hearings might be needed to further delve into the matter.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 12:56 pm
tap...tap...tap....tap....tap....still waiting for the impeachment proceedings for Bush and gang, but with the democrats, it's like asking chicken little to act on something so obvious as destroying our democratic republic.
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