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Gonzales must resign now. "Mistakes were made."

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 03:09 pm
Administration Withheld E-Mails About Rove
In Gonzales' testimony before the house committee today, he side-stepped answering the question about who put the names of US attorneys on the firing list.---BBB

Administration Withheld E-Mails About Rove
By Murray Waas, National Journal
Thursday, May 10, 2007

The Bush administration has withheld a series of e-mails from Congress showing that senior White House and Justice Department officials worked together to conceal the role of Karl Rove in installing Timothy Griffin, a protégé of Rove's, as U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas.

The withheld records show that D. Kyle Sampson, who was then-chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, consulted with White House officials in drafting two letters to Congress that appear to have misrepresented the circumstances of Griffin's appointment as U.S. attorney and of Rove's role in supporting Griffin.

In one of the letters that Sampson drafted, dated February 23, 2007, the Justice Department told four Senate Democrats it was not aware of any role played by senior White House adviser Rove in attempting to name Griffin to the U.S. attorney post. A month later, the Justice Department apologized in writing to the Senate Democrats for the earlier letter, saying it had been inaccurate in denying that Rove had played a role.

Brad Berenson, an attorney for Sampson, said in an interview that his client did not intend to mislead Congress. Sampson, he said, signed off on the February 23 letter based on representations made by the White House that it was accurate.

The withheld e-mails show that Sampson's draft was forwarded for review to Chris Oprison, an associate White House counsel, who approved the language saying that Justice was not aware of Rove having played any role in supporting Griffin. But an earlier e-mail from Sampson to Oprison that has already been made public indicates that the two men discussed Rove and then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers as being at the forefront of Griffin's nomination.

Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the ranking Republican on the committee, said he was infuriated that he knew nothing of the existence of the order.

Several of the e-mails that the Bush administration is withholding from Congress, as well as papers from the White House counsel's office describing other withheld documents, were made available to National Journal by a senior executive branch official, who said that the administration has inappropriately kept many of them from Congress.

The senior official said that Gonzales, in preparing for testimony before Congress, has personally reviewed the withheld records and has a responsibility to make public any information he has about efforts by his former chief of staff, other department aides, and White House officials to conceal Rove's role.

"If [Gonzales] didn't know everything that was going on when it went down, that is one thing," this official said. "But he knows and understands chapter and verse. If there was an effort within Justice and the White House to mislead Congress, it is his duty to disclose that to Congress. As the country's chief law enforcement official, he has a higher duty to disclose than to protect himself or the administration."

White House spokesman Tony Fratto denied that the White House was withholding records in the Justice Department's possession, and he said that Gonzales could make many of them public at any time. "The White House is neither guiding nor directing the Justice Department's decisions on privileged documents," Fratto said. "They make those decisions on their own."

Two senior administration officials told National Journal they were frustrated with decisions by Gonzales not to release some of the documents held by the Justice Department. One of the officials charged that "Gonzales is doing this to save his own neck," at the expense of the administration. The same official said that senior aides to Gonzales have been refusing to turn over many relevant documents to Congress, and that the attorney general's top aides have been selectively leaking portions of them to the media to portray themselves in a favorable light.

Last week, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., subpoenaed the Justice Department, demanding all e-mails between department officials and Rove and others at the White House regarding the firings of eight U.S. attorneys.

In a May 2 letter to Gonzales, Leahy said that the committee was subpoenaing the records because "the department's production of documents has been selective and incomplete.... In addition, to date, the department has yet to provide the committee with... any assurance that a preservation order was issued to prevent the loss or destruction of documents."

Separately, six senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee -- three Democrats and three Republicans -- complained to Gonzales last week that they had not been told anything about a confidential order he signed in March 2006, which delegated the authority to hire and fire many of the department's most senior political appointees to Sampson and to Monica Goodling, who at the time was the Justice Department's liaison to the White House.

Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the ranking Republican on the committee, said he was infuriated that he knew nothing of the existence of the order until it was disclosed by National Journal.

"Pardon me if I raise my voice," Specter said.

Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd denied that the department was withholding any records from Congress to conceal wrongdoing by administration officials. "The Justice Department has already turned over 6,000 pages of documents and e-mails to House and Senate committees and voluntarily provided for interviews of numerous senior DOJ officials," Boyd said.

In earlier correspondence with Congress, the department said it had not turned over many documents that Congress had requested because of "confidentiality and privacy" concerns; it also said it would not turn over documents related to answering queries from Congress and the press about the U.S. attorney firings.

Fratto, the White House spokesperson, said, "No White House documents are available except under the conditions offered by White House counsel Fred Fielding to the Judiciary committees." Fielding has offered to allow Congress to interview Rove and other White House officials on the condition that they wouldn't be required to provide formal testimony under oath and that no transcript would be made of what they said. Fratto said that if Congress agreed to those conditions, the White House "would make available the relevant documents at that time."

In the interim, Fratto said, "the White House retains its rights and privileges over those documents."

A senior Justice Department official said in an interview that it was the discovery of a December 19, 2006, e-mail from Sampson to Oprison -- in which Sampson wrote that "getting [Griffin] appointed was important" to Rove and to then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers -- that prompted the Justice Department to repudiate the February 23 letter to four Senate Democrats.

The February 23 letter, signed by acting Assistant Attorney General Richard Hertling, stated, "The department is not aware of Karl Rove playing any role in the decision to appoint Mr. Griffin," and added that the department "is not aware of anyone lobbying, either inside or outside of the administration, for Mr. Griffin's appointment."

Sampson testified before Congress that he drafted the February 23 letter even though he had conferred with the White House about appointing Griffin. Sampson testified that he included the language about Rove not being involved because he didn't know for a fact that Rove was pushing for his former aide's appointment.

"I knew that [Rove deputies] Sara Taylor and Scott Jennings had expressed interest in promoting Mr. Griffin for appointment to be U.S. attorney, and I assumed, because they reported to Karl Rove, that he was interested in that," Sampson said in testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 29. "But later in February, when I participated in the drafting of that [February 23] letter, I did not remember then ever having talked to Mr. Rove about it. I don't remember now ever having talked to Mr. Rove about it. I'm not sure whether Mr. Rove was supportive of Mr. Griffin's appointment."

Berenson, Sampson's attorney, says that Sampson consulted with the White House before including the language in the February 23 letter to Congress that the Justice Department was "not aware of Karl Rove playing a role in the decision to appoint Mr. Griffin." Berenson said, "Kyle didn't want to traffic in assumptions, so he circulated the letter to the White House for confirmation whether what he believed to be true was accurate or not. He drafted the letter according to his understanding of the facts, and he circulated it beforehand to other people for clearance to assure that it accorded with their understanding of the facts."

The withheld e-mails obtained by National Journal show that on February 23, as he was working on a final draft of the letter, Sampson consulted with Oprison. "Chris, please review this version," Sampson asked in one e-mail regarding the draft.

Fratto, the White House spokesman, said in an interview that Oprison "had no reason to believe" that the reference to Rove was inaccurate and cleared the letter. Asked about the December 19 e-mail in which Sampson told Oprison that Griffin's appointment was important to Rove and Miers, Fratto said: "Chris did not recall Karl's interest when he reviewed the letter."

A congressional investigator questioned whether the White House counsel's office would sign off on the letter without asking Rove himself whether it was accurate. The investigator also noted that publicly released Justice Department records show that Taylor and Jennings, both top aides to Rove, worked closely with Griffin to have him installed as U.S. attorney. In response Fratto said: "We have no record of that letter ever leaving the White House counsel's office."

Oprison, in turn, consulted with White House Counsel Fred Fielding and Deputy White House Counsel Bill Kelley in approving the draft of the letter, according to White House records.

Sampson also played a central role in the drafting of a January 31, 2007, letter from acting Assistant Attorney General Richard Hertling to Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., implying that the White House had never contemplated using an obscure provision in the USA PATRIOT Act that would allow it to install Griffin as a U.S. attorney without having Griffin undergo Senate confirmation. Gonzales and Sampson have since testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee that they did indeed consider using the PATRIOT Act to install Griffin as a federal prosecutor.

The withheld records show that Oprison assisted Sampson in drafting the January 31 letter. Previously disclosed Justice Department records show that Sampson and Oprison had worked closely together in devising the original plan to install Griffin as U.S. attorney under the PATRIOT Act provisions.

Bud Cummins, who was fired as the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas to make room for Griffin, has told the House Judiciary Committee that he personally contacted senior Justice Department officials on January 19, 2007, the day after Gonzales testified to Congress on the firing of Cummins and seven other U.S. attorneys.

Cummins said he warned department officials of very serious "misleading statements" about the U.S. attorney firings. Foremost among his concerns was that Gonzales had said that the Justice Department would never utilize the PATRIOT Act to install new U.S. attorneys by circumventing the Senate confirmation process. Cummins wrote the House Judiciary Committee that he believed that Gonzales's testimony was incorrect because both Griffin and a senior Justice Department official had told him that consideration had indeed been given to using the PATRIOT Act.

A senior Justice Department official told him, Cummins said, that using the PATRIOT Act to install Griffin "might have been the White House plan," but the White House had "never read DOJ into that plan." Cummins said he replied, "If that was the case, then we had better gag Tim Griffin, because Griffin was telling too many people … that he could stay as [U.S. attorney] whether he was ever appointed or not."

Gonzales had testified at the January 18 hearing: "Let me publicly sort of pre-empt perhaps a question you're going to ask me, and that is, I am fully committed, as the administration's fully committed, to ensure that, with respect to every United States attorney position in this country, we will have a presidentially appointed, Senate confirmed United States attorney.... I think a United States attorney,... as the law enforcement leader, my representative in the community;... has greater imprimatur of authority, if in fact that person's been confirmed by the Senate."

A senior Justice Department official said that the statement was truthful because by then Gonzales had abandoned the idea of using the PATRIOT Act to permanently install Griffin, and he was speaking about future appointments.

But despite Cummins's warning, Gonzales's testimony, and department officials' own knowledge that the PATRIOT Act had been discussed as a way to install Griffin, senior Justice Department officials continued to make claims to Congress that the Bush administration had never contemplated using the PATRIOT Act to bypass the confirmation process.

On January 31, 2007, Hertling wrote Pryor to say that "not once" had the Bush "administration sought to avoid the Senate confirmation process" by exploiting the PATRIOT Act. "As the Attorney General has stated to you," Hertling wrote, "the Administration is committed to having a Senate confirmed United States Attorney for all 94 districts. At no time has the Administration sought to avoid the Senate confirmation process by appointing an interim United States Attorney and then refusing to move forward... on the selection, nomination and confirmation of a new United States Attorney. Not once."

In drafting the letter, Sampson consulted with Sara Taylor, the White House political director and an aide to Rove. Taylor had been aware of considerations that the PATRIOT Act might be invoked to permanently install Griffin, according to withheld administration papers. In an e-mail -- among those that the Justice Department has withheld from Congress -- Taylor wrote: "I'm concerned we imply that we'll pull down Griffin's nomination should Pryor object."

The senior executive branch official who read the e-mail said it was significant because Taylor signed off on the letter despite the fact that Taylor, Oprison, and other White House officials knew that the administration had indeed considered using the PATRIOT Act to make Griffin a U.S. attorney.

Fratto said he believed that the e-mail showed that Taylor wanted to use the Senate confirmation process to have Griffin made U.S. attorney without using the PATRIOT Act. "We battle with the Senate with nominations every day," Fratto said. "It is very important to us.... That's what Sara was saying: 'We shouldn't imply we're willing to walk away from the nomination.'"

Berenson said that the letter was technically accurate because Sampson and Oprison never ultimately implemented the plan to install Griffin as U.S. attorney through the PATRIOT Act provision. "The principals never adopted it, and it was never done," Berenson said. "The statement in the letter is accurate."

Griffin faced an uphill battle to win Senate confirmation because, in addition to having served as an aide to Rove, he had served as the research director of the Republican National Committee in 2004, when he had been in charge of opposition research efforts against Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. He had been involved in similar efforts against Al Gore four years earlier as the RNC's deputy research director.

Griffin's supporters have said that he was highly qualified to be a U.S. attorney because he had served in the Judge Advocate General Corps in the U.S. Army Reserve, and briefly was a special assistant U.S. attorney.

Pryor first raised questions about Cummins's departure as U.S. attorney. The senator had heard that, contrary to claims that Cummins had resigned voluntarily, the prosecutor had been pushed out to make room for Griffin, Pryor's chief of staff Bob Russell said in an interview.

Pryor later became suspicious that the Bush administration was attempting to bypass the Senate confirmation process by invoking the PATRIOT Act. The special authority, granted to the president, allowed interim U.S. attorneys to continue in their job indefinitely without Senate confirmation to help prosecute the war on terrorism.

Pryor, who had voted for the authority, was upset that the original purpose was now being abused to circumvent the Senate and avoid a confirmation vote on politically contentious nominees such as Griffin. He was especially upset because he had been one of only six Democratic senators to vote for Gonzales's confirmation-a vote that sparked criticism from liberal interest groups. As he saw it, he had stuck his neck out for Gonzales with his vote.

On December 15, 2006, Pryor spoke to then-White House Counsel Miers and Gonzales about the issue, Russell said. The discussion left Pryor with the impression that if Griffin was named U.S. attorney, his name would be formally sent to the Senate for confirmation.

But White House and Justice Department officials, afraid that Griffin would not be confirmed, asked Cummins to resign more quickly so that they could name Griffin as an interim U.S. attorney, which under the PATRIOT Act would allow him to forego a confirmation vote in the Senate.

On December 19, 2006, four days after Pryor and Gonzales spoke, Sampson e-mailed Oprison with a strategy to have Griffin stay permanently as U.S. attorney: "I think we should gum this to death," Sampson wrote in an e-mail turned over to Congress, "ask the Senators to give Tim a chance. meet with him. give him some time in office to see how he performs, etc. they ultimately say, 'no never' (and the longer they forestall the better). Then we can tell them we'll look for other candidates, and otherwise run out the clock. All of this should be done in 'good faith' of course."

By that time, Griffin would be able to serve out the remainder of the Bush administration because of his appointment as interim U.S. attorney under the emergency provisional authority of the PATRIOT Act.

Sampson added in his e-mail: "The only thing really at work here is a repeal of the AG's appointment authority. There is some risk that we'll lose that authority, but if we don't ever exercise it then what's the point of having it."

Sampson concluded in the e-mail: "I'm not 100 percent sure that Tim was the guy on which to test drive this authority, but know that getting him appointed was important to Harriet, Karl, etc.," referring to Miers and Rove.

The next day, on December 20, Cummins formally resigned as U.S. attorney and Griffin was named as his interim replacement. Cummins said in an interview that officials at Justice sped up the timetable on his departure, going so far as to call him on a cellphone when he was on a hunting trip with his son to say he must leave on December 20.

A spokesman for the Justice Department said: "To the extent Kyle Sampson in his e-mail suggested there was an attempt to circumvent the process, this was dismissed by the Attorney General and does not represent the views or final actions of the Department as our record demonstrates."

Gonzales, during his recent testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, was asked whether he would have invoked the PATRIOT Act to permanently install Griffin as U.S. attorney. He replied: "I never liked this idea. I wouldn't consider it and didn't consider it." But later in his testimony, Gonzales said he dropped the idea only after he had spoken to Pryor and determined that it was politically untenable to move forward.

In one of the e-mails that the White House has withheld from Congress, and obtained by National Journal, Sampson wrote to six other senior Justice Department officials and derided Pryor's letter: "The PDF below is an outrageous letter we got from Sen. Pryor; we don't think it has hit the press yet."

Sampson said that the Justice Department had been asked to "respond to the allegation that we troglodytes discrimatorialy [sic] passed over the FASU [First Assistant U.S. Attorney] because she is apparently a mother out on maternity leave."

In fact, a Justice Department spokesperson had told the press, and senior Justice officials had told Pryor in a private meeting, that although it was the common practice when a U.S. attorney resigned to name the first assistant U.S. attorney in the office as the interim, they had not done so in the case of Cummins's departure because his first assistant, Jane Duke, was about to go on maternity leave.

But other Justice Department records show that Sampson and the White House had decided to name Griffin as a U.S. attorney in June 2006 even before Duke knew she was pregnant. And the records show that they attempted to name Griffin as an interim U.S. attorney to either enhance the possibility that he would be confirmed by the Senate or to circumvent Senate confirmation completely.

Cummins said in a letter to Congress that after he heard the claims that Duke had not been named as his interim successor because of her pregnancy, he immediately called a senior Justice Department official to complain that the assertion was untrue:

"I told [the senior official] that most people in our relatively small legal community had instantly mocked that statement because it was obvious Tim Griffin had been here for months for the purpose of taking over on my departure [and] because no person was aware of any conversations or communications that might demonstrate that appointing the First Assistant was EVER a consideration."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 03:32 pm
There's enough evidence that Gonzales not only lied, but continues to tell congress different versions of the same issue. They should just bring impreachment against him.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 03:48 pm
Why the congress is no match for Gonzales (or anybody else).


Democrats grill Gonzales on firings
BY LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
4 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Attorney General Alberto Gonzales confidently deflected House Democrats' demands Thursday for details in the firings of U.S. attorneys, appearing ever more likely to survive accusations that the dismissals were politically motivated.


Republican lawmakers rushed to Gonzales' defense as the attorney general denied anew that the firings last year were improper.

The mostly muted five-hour hearing in front of the House Judiciary Committee was a sharp contrast to Gonzales' sometimes testy appearance three weeks ago when Senate Republicans questioned his competence to run the Justice Department. One senator at that session joined a small GOP chorus saying he should step down.

"I will work as hard as I can, working with this committee and working with DOJ employees, to reassure the American people that this department is focused on doing its job," Gonzales said Thursday.

That didn't satisfy exasperated Democrats who accused Gonzales of being evasive.

"Your reputation is on the line, Mr. Attorney General. What do you have to say for yourself?" asked Rep. Maxine Waters (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., adding that the "buck stops at the top."

"I accept responsibility," Gonzales answered,
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 10:45 am
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 10:51 am
Quote:

Goodling's lawyer has said that, with an immunity seal, she would cooperate and testify honestly.


Well, AG is f*cked now!

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 11:06 am
The cart is still before the horse. Gotta be careful about coming to any conclusion just yet. However, it's beginning to look bad for Gonzales - and others in the administration.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 11:08 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
The cart is still before the horse. Gotta be careful about coming to any conclusion just yet. However, it's beginning to look bad for Gonzales - and others in the administration.


Okay, I agree. But if she does testify honestly, it's a serious problem for them, as she can expose what was really going on.

Maybe she will bring copies of emails as well, which could really sink everything. AG can't be happy about this.

Cycloptichorn
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 03:50 pm
Just cause she says she'll testify honestly doesn't mean she will.

She is very young and has a long life / career ahead of her. How is she going to survive if she gives up Gonzales or any other higher up?

If she does testify honestly and someone goes down, she best plan on marrying well and staying home. But, I don't think she will. She's more likely playing along, claiming she'll tell the truth and then have that truth be the same as Gonzales already said.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 03:53 pm
squinney wrote:
Just cause she says she'll testify honestly doesn't mean she will.

She is very young and has a long life / career ahead of her. How is she going to survive if she gives up Gonzales or any other higher up?

If she does testify honestly and someone goes down, she best plan on marrying well and staying home. But, I don't think she will. She's more likely playing along, claiming she'll tell the truth and then have that truth be the same as Gonzales already said.


Well, she can't do that, b/c Gonzales has said that she and Sampson were in charge of the whole thing, and he doesn't know any of the details... it would be hard to believe that she could argue the same thing, that she was in charge of it but doesn't know any of the details.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 03:58 pm
If she lies, her immunity is null and void. At this point, she has more to lose by lying.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 04:24 pm
I am probably not suggesting anything new here, but here is my take:

1. The great fear at the White House is that Mr Gonzales will be gone. They would have to nominate a new candidate (who would want the job?) and the nomination would have to be approved by the Senate with public hearings.
2. Instead, they will try to run out the clock on the Bush administration, sacrificing Mr Gonzales, who will continue to claim that he either wasn't involved or doesn't remember.
3. The supporters of the Admin correctly point out that the prosecuters serve at the whim of the President, but that idea has been tainted by misinformation at best and perjury at worst.
4. So I think that this new witness, Ms Goodling, will also not remember much. And this whole thing will bog down for awhile more.
5 Mr Gonzales and Mr Bush care not a bit about the reputation, the morale or the functioning of the Justice department. They only care about the issue raised in #1 above.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 04:43 pm
rjb, Bush and Gonzales wants to continue on with the myth that Gonzales is not guilty of any wrong-doing. Many people in our country still believe this.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 04:46 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
rjb, Bush and Gonzales wants to continue on with the myth that Gonzales is not guilty of any wrong-doing. Many people in our country still believe this.


What law has he been accused of breaking?
What criminal act has he been convicted of?

Since he has not been convicted of a crime,then right now,UNDER THE LAW,he is not guilty of any wrongdoing.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 06:53 pm
mysterman: Have any laws been broken? Perhaps, or perhaps not. That will be decided in a bruising few months ahead.
I--johnboy--am a liberal Democrat. You are a loyal conservative. I try hard to never be offensive. Sometimes I fail.

What strikes me as incredible about this administration is how insular they have become. Iraq, the Justice Department, global warming and on an on. They seem to care not a bit about the loyal foot soldiers of the GOP.
You will disagree, I am sure, but the GOP is in disarray. And the lack of competent, credible, leadership from Mr Bush is at fault.
Perhaps there will be new leaders in your party, but it is probably too late for 2008. And Mr Bush should get the blame for that.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 09:24 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
rjb, Bush and Gonzales wants to continue on with the myth that Gonzales is not guilty of any wrong-doing. Many people in our country still believe this.


What law has he been accused of breaking?
What criminal act has he been convicted of?

Since he has not been convicted of a crime,then right now,UNDER THE LAW,he is not guilty of any wrongdoing.


Ya'll better start reading up on the Hatch Act. It's going to be a long summer for some.

Joe(oh yeah, and lying to Congress. That's a felony)Nation
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 09:25 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
rjb, Bush and Gonzales wants to continue on with the myth that Gonzales is not guilty of any wrong-doing. Many people in our country still believe this.


What law has he been accused of breaking?
What criminal act has he been convicted of?

Since he has not been convicted of a crime,then right now,UNDER THE LAW,he is not guilty of any wrongdoing.


He oversaw the politicization of the DoJ, an act which is not only illegal, it is pernicious to our nation, which depends upon trust in the Rule of Law to survive!

Here:

NYTimes

Quote:


Look, if she testifies honestly as she has claimed she will, Alberto Gonzales and many other Republicans in the DoJ and the White House are going to be in big trouble. She was brought in with no experience, propelled to a high position, and was tasked with turning the DoJ into a Republican organization. You think this is a coincidence?

Please

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 05:19 am
realjohnboy wrote:
mysterman: Have any laws been broken? Perhaps, or perhaps not. That will be decided in a bruising few months ahead.
I--johnboy--am a liberal Democrat. You are a loyal conservative. I try hard to never be offensive. Sometimes I fail.

What strikes me as incredible about this administration is how insular they have become. Iraq, the Justice Department, global warming and on an on. They seem to care not a bit about the loyal foot soldiers of the GOP.
You will disagree, I am sure, but the GOP is in disarray. And the lack of competent, credible, leadership from Mr Bush is at fault.
Perhaps there will be new leaders in your party, but it is probably too late for 2008. And Mr Bush should get the blame for that.


First off,let me say that I am NOT a republican.
To paraphrase Groucho Marx "I refuse to be a member of any party that would accept someone like me".

And yes,I do agree that the GOP is in disarray.
And yes,I do agree that much of the blame can be placed at the feet of George Bush.
He is NOT a conservative,no matter how much he tries to convince everyone he is.

I 100% agree that this admin is not perfect,but in the last election there really was no better choice,IMHO.
This year,there were only 2 dems I would even consider voting for,and one of them decided not to run.
Will the repub party win this time?
I dont know.

I havent really looked at any of the candidates from either party yet.
There are to many voices in the choir to understand the song.

That means that there are to many people running,and I am waiting for some of the second and third tier candidates to drop out before I start paying serious attention to the race.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 09:09 am
If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, no amount of denial will succeed.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 09:37 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, no amount of denial will succeed.


I have never denied being a conservative.
I am proud to be a conservative.

But,I am not a member of any political party.
I see no need to join,because there are parts of both the rep and the dem party that I agree with.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 10:09 am
MM, what do you believe in with respect to the Dem party?

I wager you have voted with Reps about 100 %.
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