gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 10 Mar, 2007 11:51 pm
okie wrote:
Couldn't be much worse than Plame or Wilson.


okie, would you be kind enough to break down Joseph Wilson's CIA career for me. I must confess ignorance in this matter.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 12:30 am
The FBI has been compromised too! The latest is about the FBI going overboard on the Patriot Act. That news seems to have died down very quickly.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 01:17 am
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
okie wrote:
Couldn't be much worse than Plame or Wilson.


okie, would you be kind enough to break down Joseph Wilson's CIA career for me. I must confess ignorance in this matter.

Self appointed (along with his wife) trip to Niger, ostensibly for the CIA, and became an expert on WMD as a result of that one trip, wherein he went down there and had tea with a few government officials. Thats it, gustavratzenhofer, as far as I can research the matter. Quite distringuished career, apparently, as many in the media now consider him to be THE foremost expert on Iraqi WMD that the CIA has.
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Builder
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 04:21 am
okie wrote:
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
okie wrote:
Couldn't be much worse than Plame or Wilson.


okie, would you be kind enough to break down Joseph Wilson's CIA career for me. I must confess ignorance in this matter.

Self appointed (along with his wife) trip to Niger, ostensibly for the CIA, and became an expert on WMD as a result of that one trip, wherein he went down there and had tea with a few government officials. Thats it, gustavratzenhofer, as far as I can research the matter. Quite distringuished career, apparently, as many in the media now consider him to be THE foremost expert on Iraqi WMD that the CIA has.


The really funny thing is that Jo didn't veto what the three star general on the ground was saying, nor did he refute the words of the local naysayer.

Cheney lied. Plame took a dive. What else is there to dispute, you hippies?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 09:41 am
okie wrote:
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
okie wrote:
Couldn't be much worse than Plame or Wilson.


okie, would you be kind enough to break down Joseph Wilson's CIA career for me. I must confess ignorance in this matter.

Self appointed (along with his wife) trip to Niger, ostensibly for the CIA, and became an expert on WMD as a result of that one trip, wherein he went down there and had tea with a few government officials. Thats it, gustavratzenhofer, as far as I can research the matter. Quite distringuished career, apparently, as many in the media now consider him to be THE foremost expert on Iraqi WMD that the CIA has.


You obviously have no clue as to what Mr. Wilson does for a living or what you are talking about in general.

I was just putting out feelers.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 09:43 am
okie wrote:
Thats it, as far as I can research the matter.


you're apparently quite a lazy researcher
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 08:25 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:

You obviously have no clue as to what Mr. Wilson does for a living or what you are talking about in general.

I was just putting out feelers.


I think he is banking on big money for the movie rights on their lives, now. Between that and making a few appearances and speeches to supplement their incomes, such as Valerie speaking at an event sponsored by "People for the American Way," which of course are a bunch of socialists. What else do you need to know?
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 09:02 pm
okie wrote:
socialists. What else do you need to know?


Not much I guess. At least they aren't communists. Rolling Eyes
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 11:57 am
Saying that People for the American Way are a bunch of socialists is like saying Republicans are a bunch of Nazis.

Of course, this administration, with its torturing, etc., does resemble the Nazi party.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 12:59 pm
I'd perfer to be a "socialist" over being a conservative in this country that doesn't know the difference between 1) lying about a war vs lying about sex, 2) discrimination against gays and lesbians, 3) wants to teach "creationism" as science in our schools, 4) stunts stem cell research based on their "religious" belief, and 5) spends more on war than taking care of our vets and citizens.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 07:05 pm
Apparently, reading is not Okie's strong point since I posted this before when he dismissed Joe Wilson's career.

Wilson had the following diplomatic credentials:

Quote:

Wilson served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council from June 1997 until July 1998. In that capacity he was responsible for the coordination of U.S. policy to the 48 countries of sub-Saharan Africa, He was one of the principal architecs of President Clinton's historic trip to Africa in March 1998.

Ambassador Wilson was the Political Advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of United States Armed Forces, Europe, 1995-1997. He served as the U.S. Ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and to the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe from 1992 to 1995. From 1998 to 1991, Ambassador Wilson served in Baghdad, Iraq as Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy. During ''Desert Shield'' he was the acting Ambassador and was responsible for the negotiations that resulted in the release of several hundred American hostages. He was the last official American to meet with Saddam Hussein before the launching of ''Desert Storm.''
Ambassador Wilson was a member of the U.S. Diplomatic Service from 1976 until 1998. His early assignments included Niamey, Niger, 1976-1978; Lome, Togo, 1978-79; the State Department Brueau of African Affairs, 1979-1981; and Pretoria, South Africa, 1981-1982.

In 1982, he was appointed Deputy Chief of Mission in Bujumbura, Burundi. In 1985-1986, he served in the offices of Senator Albert Gore and the House Majority Whip, Representative Thomas Foley, as an American Political Science Association Congressional Fellow. He was Deputy Chief of Mission in Brazzaville, Congo, 1986-88, prior to his assignment to Baghdad.



http://www.cpsag.com/our_team/wilson.html

As well he had past experience investigating sales of Nigerois uranium in 1999, and he specialized in Africa for the majority of his diplomatic career, having served in Niger, Togo, Burundi, and South Africa, and as ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and to the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe.

Fluent in French, the diplomatic language of ex-French colonial nations in sub-Saharan Africa.

Now, I don't mind high school dropouts showing their a$$es in public; America sure needs them, if for no more than having examples for the rest of us normal people to show our kids the devastating affect of an unexamined life.

Okie, George H W Bush called Joe Wilson a hero. When the US Ambassador left Baghdad in 1991 just before Desert Storm started Joe Wilson was the man George H W Bush left there to mind the store. When Saddam Hussein threatened to kill any American in Iraq if the US invaded, Joe Wilson set up avenues to spirit them out of the country and danger, then meet Saddam with hangman's noose around his neck and challenged that if he did started killing Americans, Saddam had better start with him.

Saddam backed down.

Because of your blatant political fanaticism, you milign a man who has greater honesty, courage, and brains in his toe nail than you do. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for your remarks.

Your position on this thread sinks below being merely bandying and give-and-take of contending political differences; it falls to a level of complete ignorance and disbelief in objective reality.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 07:59 pm
kuvasz wrote:
Apparently, reading is not Okie's strong point since I posted this before when he dismissed Joe Wilson's career.

Wilson had the following diplomatic credentials:

......


kuvasz, I suggest you learn to read. gustavratzenhofer's question was, "would you be kind enough to break down Joseph Wilson's CIA career for me. I must confess ignorance in this matter."

He asked about his CIA record, and that is how I answered his question.

Frankly, it strikes me that the best intelligence you claim we have was obtained by a diplomat sitting around drinking tea in Niger. Give me a break, kuvasz. I said it once, and I will say it again, if the CIA cannot do better than that, then we need to reform the agency big time.

Also, would Bush say now what he said before when he called Joe Wilson a hero? Not that you care, but you were using that as evidence to bolster your argument. So if Bush's opinion meant something then, it should also mean something now.

I was aware that he served as a diplomat before you posted, a long time ago. When this matter first arose years ago, I read about the postions he had held. I am not intimately familiar with how well he did the jobs assigned him, and I doubt you do either, except for the general recognitions of what he supposedly accomplished. Most diplomatic positions will gain you some positive recognition. Such does not give the man a free ride in regard to the manner he has more recently conducted himself, and that is what I believe is far more pertinent to the subject we are talking about now. His more recent record does not wipe out what he has accomplished in the past, but neither does the past give him a free ticket to do anything he well pleases now.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 09:00 pm
okie, I believe it would be best if you were just to go take a nap.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 09:55 am
70% oppose pardon for Libby link
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 10:27 am
blueflame, We all know Bush doesn't make any decisions based on polls of the American People.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 10:44 am
If only Joe Wilson had taken those diplomats into the back room, tied them to a chair and shot them in the kneecaps. Then he might have got the real story from them.

Dang, he got the real story from just drinking tea. Never mind.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 10:49 am
Regarding Wilson, the State Dept. has a selection-out system for its foreign-service officers. Their performance is reviewed periodically, and if one's performance is less than excellent, he or she is kicked out. Only superior persons, such as Wilson, survive this system to retire from State.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 03:55 pm
cicerone, we also know there will be a pardon. But with 70 % of the people opposed I doubt it will happen right away.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 04:23 pm
I'm not so sure; Bush fails to listen to the American People to get our troops home in 2008 by a huge majority.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 05:22 pm
CI said...

Quote:
stunts stem cell research based on their "religious" belief,


You continue to misrepresent the facts about that,dont you.

Bush NEVER "stunted" or stopped or banned stem cell research of any kind.

What he did was say that the govt wouldnt pay for it.
If you want to do the research,find yourself a lab and go to it.
But dont ask the govt for money.

That is vastly different then what you are saying.
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