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Masturbation and God

 
 
Run 4 fun
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 06:48 pm
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And why is that? It's like saying that growing up in a home with parents who use drugs, drink excessivly, sleep around, beat each other and do things that "normal" loving families don't do will always, without exception, produce children who believe that the life they are living is right.

We inherently know right from wrong to some degree. No one, in their right minds, believes that murder is ok. We didn't get that from the Bible. It is just something we know.

Some of us choose to ignore it. Some of us choose to believe we have a right to behave a certain way. Some of us choose....get it?
Right or wrong is not subjective. Human perception and reality is subjective. The view of the bible is done through human eyes and human hands, there for is in some degree, subjective. Therefore cannot be 100% truth. But that doesn't mean there is NO truth in it or that because you don't believe it's 100% that the bible wasn't created to remind us of basic right and wrong.


Huh? I don't see how it's like saying that at all. Please help me understand what you mean. Question There are many kids who live very differently than their parents. Confused

We know because we have a conscience. "What I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach... It is in your mouth and in your heart so that you may obey it."

You cannot justify your belief that even a human guided by the Holy Spirit would surely screw up the revelation with his own two cents. It's an arbitrary assertion. Then the Bible could be absolutely true, but the readers perception could be false.

TPQ, "but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect" They should probably learn some arguments in defense of the faith in order to at least increase effectiveness in evangelism. The Lord promises, "Seek and you will find." I have found this to be true. They should know that they aren't living a lie. I hardly think it possible that listening to objections of skeptics and reasonably looking for answers can destroy true faith. The more I'm skeptical, the more my faith has been strengthened.

If a Hindu can justify Hinduism and show Christianity unjustifiable, then I would have to either become Hindu because of reason or dismiss it purely on a basis of blind, unjustified belief. However I don't have to worry about this, because Hinduism is self-contradictory and Christianity is justifiable. Also, just because someone believes something that they cannot justify does not make that belief automatically not true. Someone who has unjustified belief in Christ is saved just the same! Thank God. It is only assuredly not true if it contradicts fact.

I am interested in a justification, first, because if she can justify it, I must take it into consideration and perhaps revise my own beliefs. Second, because she has presented them in a way that they should affect Danielle's choices, but if they cannot be justified, then this is merely an arbitrary assertion w/o credibility. "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." So even the disciples, having seen Jesus risen, could have faith in the promises of thing to come. Faith manifests itself in action. Many people say that they know something to be true, but there actions demonstrate quite the opposite.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 12:21 am
Have we answered if it's OK to wank and twiddle? I wouldn't want to piss God off. Of course, I ain't gonna stop either.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 06:55 am
run4fun,
Belief is individual. I am not going to spend my time trying to make you understand. I believe what I believe and will continue to believe so. I am not a teenager who is just coming into my faith. I've spent years developing and understanding my faith.

I was raised Catholic but refuse to practice it due to the overwhelming non-compliance with my church to answer simply the question of why. Why do we believe what we believe? Why must we act a certain way? Because the bible says so is not a good enough answer for me. In the sixth grade, I asked very plainly one day why premarital sex was a sin. I got a blank stare and the scripted because God says so. Why does God say so? There has to be a reason. And if we can't understand a reason for it, if God didn't even bother to give us reasons, why do you suppose it's true?

Either way, like I said I am not going to hash this over with you. I think God has much bigger things to worry about then us masturbating.
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Run 4 fun
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 07:15 pm
Yes, belief is individual. Truth is not.

Just because your church did not answer your questions does not mean that they are not answerable. Why does God forbid premarital sex? Because God loves us and knows what is best for us. Many a child who is addicted and desensitized to a drug wonders why there parents forbid drug use. It never ends well. Sad And the parents mourn afterward wondering why their child who had so much less knowledge than them had not heeded their explicit command which was given out of love.

A sin is a sin. All sin is hated by God and directly opposed to His holiness.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 06:46 am
Run 4 fun wrote:
Yes, belief is individual. Truth is not.

Just because your church did not answer your questions does not mean that they are not answerable. Why does God forbid premarital sex? Because God loves us and knows what is best for us. Many a child who is addicted and desensitized to a drug wonders why there parents forbid drug use. It never ends well. Sad And the parents mourn afterward wondering why their child who had so much less knowledge than them had not heeded their explicit command which was given out of love.



And just because your church did answer it doesn't make it true. And that wasn't the only thing I couldn't get a "why" answer to. Just an example.

Oh and premarital sex has ended well lots of times. Acts of kindness have ended badly lots of times. The "because it always ends badly" is a lame and untrue statement.
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Run 4 fun
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 08:20 pm
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And just because your church did answer it doesn't make it true. And that wasn't the only thing I couldn't get a "why" answer to. Just an example.

Oh and premarital sex has ended well lots of times. Acts of kindness have ended badly lots of times. The "because it always ends badly" is a lame and untrue statement.


Of course it doesn't make it true if the Church has an answer. It makes it true if the evidence proves it.

First, I said drug use never ends well, which is more obvious, of course than premarital sex's negative consequences. Also, you do not know all of its internal effects, or effects on others, or effects that come to fruition in the future. You would have to know all of these are positive in order to say that it always ends well. I only have to know one the assert that it never ends "well".
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patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 08:28 pm
That's terrible logic. If something does not always end well, it does not at all follow that it always ends poorly.
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The Pentacle Queen
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 09:42 am
yeah, I smoked dope once and nothing happened.
And my pre-marital sex always ends well. Cool

If the church had actual 'evidence' then everyone would be a christian.

I like talking to you, run4fun, but I do wonder what you are trying to achieve. I come on able2know to discuss and learn and stuff. I don't think you really want to 'learn' because you have already made up your mind about everything.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:43 am
Are solar flares godgasms?
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pswfps
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 12:20 pm
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I love to masturbate.

Yes, I often use sand paper for heightened sensation.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2007 06:45 am
Run 4 fun wrote:
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And just because your church did answer it doesn't make it true. And that wasn't the only thing I couldn't get a "why" answer to. Just an example.

Oh and premarital sex has ended well lots of times. Acts of kindness have ended badly lots of times. The "because it always ends badly" is a lame and untrue statement.


Of course it doesn't make it true if the Church has an answer. It makes it true if the evidence proves it.

First, I said drug use never ends well, which is more obvious, of course than premarital sex's negative consequences. Also, you do not know all of its internal effects, or effects on others, or effects that come to fruition in the future. You would have to know all of these are positive in order to say that it always ends well. I only have to know one the assert that it never ends "well".


I know LOTS of people who've used drugs and came out ok afterwards. I never said it always ends well. However, you're assumption and statement that it never ends well which is why it's "wrong" is insane.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2007 06:46 am
The Pentacle Queen wrote:
yeah, I smoked dope once and nothing happened.
And my pre-marital sex always ends well. Cool

If the church had actual 'evidence' then everyone would be a christian.

I like talking to you, run4fun, but I do wonder what you are trying to achieve. I come on able2know to discuss and learn and stuff. I don't think you really want to 'learn' because you have already made up your mind about everything.


She does have a point ther run4fun. Actually, several points.
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Run 4 fun
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2007 06:02 pm
Oops, sorry patiodog, I worded that badly. I did not mean that one instance of badly ending premarital sex means they never end well, but that if either of any one its internal effects, or effects on others, or effects that come to fruition in the future are bad in every instance, then it is never a good thing. That was poorly worded, so thanks for pointing out that mistake.

TPQ, you, like Bella Dea, are assuming to know all of the internal effects, or effects on others, or effects that come to fruition in the future because of your actions. Your second statement is completely false when the searching is done. There's is no doubt of the extensive evidence for the truth of Christianity when the research is done, and obviously not everyone is Christian. Not everyone searches. Also, you may recall earlier where I was interested in Bella's reasons for her beliefs so that I could learn and perhaps even find myself in a position to revise my own beliefs. I have certainly not made up my mind about everything.

Sure they can come out okay, but that doesn't mean that the drug is good. And why is it insane?
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flushd
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 06:13 am
"If'n there is a God, he made me, so he knows I ain't so bad."
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skeptical
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 09:05 am
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Oops, sorry patiodog, I worded that badly. I did not mean that one instance of badly ending premarital sex means they never end well, but that if either of any one its internal effects, or effects on others, or effects that come to fruition in the future are bad in every instance, then it is never a good thing. That was poorly worded, so thanks for pointing out that mistake.

TPQ, you, like Bella Dea, are assuming to know all of the internal effects, or effects on others, or effects that come to fruition in the future because of your actions. Your second statement is completely false when the searching is done. There's is no doubt of the extensive evidence for the truth of Christianity when the research is done, and obviously not everyone is Christian. Not everyone searches. Also, you may recall earlier where I was interested in Bella's reasons for her beliefs so that I could learn and perhaps even find myself in a position to revise my own beliefs. I have certainly not made up my mind about everything.

Sure they can come out okay, but that doesn't mean that the drug is good. And why is it insane?


There is no doubt of the extensive evidence for the truth of Christianity? I'm but an adolescent, whose opinion and views are barely taken seriously, but I do my research. I've been raised a Christian, and after research and certain events in my life, I've found it impossible to stick with Christianity and still remain a happy person. It's good that you haven't made your mind up about everything, but I suggest you do some more searching. I get the feeling you've come to believe as you do without any real reasoning behind you decision. Just what is it that makes you so certain that your beliefs are correct? Perhaps I'm being too confrontational, but I do wonder at your reasoning. There are so many other problems in this world that you as what you call yourself, a christian? Could be worrying about. I'm sure that your god is much more upset by the poor and desitute of the world, than he is with those that find the occasional plessure in sexual acts.
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Run 4 fun
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 11:09 am
Where have you been researching? What research and events have made you to think that Christianity is false?

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I get the feeling you've come to believe as you do without any real reasoning behind you decision.


That could not be further from the truth. Every day God further supports my faith through reason that I find in my studying. I have read the objections of critics and found them entirely answerable. It would be far too much for me to type all of the logic behind it, but I could tell you some books that helped. Further, some of the greatest proofs have been miracles, 4 within some 6 months of each other. Of course God is upset by the poor and destitute, but that does not mean that He hates sin any less. I am here to try to help Danielle.
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skeptical
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 01:00 pm
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That could not be further from the truth. Every day God further supports my faith through reason that I find in my studying. I have read the objections of critics and found them entirely answerable. It would be far too much for me to type all of the logic behind it, but I could tell you some books that helped. Further, some of the greatest proofs have been miracles, 4 within some 6 months of each other. Of course God is upset by the poor and destitute, but that does not mean that He hates sin any less. I am here to try to help Danielle.


I read what books I can find on religion, currently I'm reading up on the different sects of christianity. I have but one thing to say about reason you find in your studying. I know plenty a person that believes differently than yourself, and also strengthens their own faith everday in the "proof" they find as they study. I have heard people of other faiths also claim to have experienced miracles performed by their deity. You would claim these people wrong, yet they have come to believe as they do on the same bases as yourself.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 01:16 pm
Well, is this thread only about God now?

What about masturbation, which was the original question of Danielle?

You were supposed to help her about that...
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skeptical
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 01:24 pm
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Well, is this thread only about God now?

What about masturbation, which was the original question of Danielle?

You were supposed to help her about that...



Rolling Eyes Sorry bout that, got side tracked. In my opinion, you can't get that sort of help on an internet board. Danielle, you have a lot of problems in your past, as I've read. The only way you can address the issues you have with you own sexual habits, is to come to terms with your past. You've got to decide for yourself what you think about what you're doing and why.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 04:03 pm
Masturbation is normal and healthy for both men and women. If God didn't want us to wank and twiddle he would have maded our arms shorter and removed the pleasure factor. I suspect Jesus shot his wad a few times too.
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