How long will christians take this???

To assume that everyone who calls themself "Christian" is a Christian is ridiculous. There is a very large group of people who are nominal Christians. I would suggest that you read Christianity on Trail by Vincent Caroll.

Run 4 fun wrote:

To assume that everyone who calls themself "Christian" is a Christian is ridiculous. There is a very large group of people who are nominal Christians. I would suggest that you read Christianity on Trail by Vincent Caroll.

Who are YOU to judge them?

If someone say's they are a Christian, they ARE a Christian.

Oh, C'mon! America!? A Christian Nation?! Absolutely not! I challenge people who say that all of the time.

I do not know them in a percent. You will know Christians by their works (as Jesus and then James said), and as the leaders of Roman soldiers who collected Christians to be slaughtered said, "You will know them by their love."

Sort of makes you wonder if there is any group who meets those qualifications.

To assume that everyone who calls themself "Christian" is a Christian is ridiculous. There is a very large group of people who are nominal Christians.

"Christian" doesn't necessarily mean anything at all, just because someone calls themselves that.

Oh, C'mon! America!? A Christian Nation?! Absolutely not! I challenge people who say that all of the time.

I do not know them in a percent. You will know Christians by their works (as Jesus and then James said), and as the leaders of Roman soldiers who collected Christians to be slaughtered said, "You will know them by their love."

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....Christianity has as a core assumption that the faithful will go to heaven, and all others will burn in Hell for eternity--which is about as hateful a concept as you can come up with.

Stop trying to blow smoke up people's asses.

No offense meant Setanta, but that is what the Bible says. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with God and ask Him to show you the truth about it.

Is that what bothers you most about Christians? that they (some that you know) think they have the inside track on "going to heaven"?

You probably won't believe it, but I have that same conflict (about individuals thinking they have the rules of exclusivity to "heaven") with my very own sister. She thinks she belongs to a select few.

Is that what bothers you most about Christians? that they (some that you know) think they have the inside track on "going to heaven"?

You probably won't believe it, but I have that same conflict (about individuals thinking they have the rules of exclusivity to "heaven") with my very own sister. She thinks she belongs to a select few.

Run 4 fun wrote:

Oh, C'mon! America!? A Christian Nation?! Absolutely not! I challenge people who say that all of the time.

I do not know them in a percent. You will know Christians by their works (as Jesus and then James said), and as the leaders of Roman soldiers who collected Christians to be slaughtered said, "You will know them by their love."

Matthew 7: 16 (NIV) ~ By their fruit you will recognize them. (NIV)

Fruit of the spirit is not works. Galatians 5:22-23 ~ But the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

snood wrote:

Is that what bothers you most about Christians? that they (some that you know) think they have the inside track on "going to heaven"?

You probably won't believe it, but I have that same conflict (about individuals thinking they have the rules of exclusivity to "heaven") with my very own sister. She thinks she belongs to a select few.

That is meaningless--the point with which i am dealing is that the religious will attempt to explain away religiously motivated cruelty by claiming that those who practice religiously-cruelty are not "true" believers, all the while ignoring that the core assumption of any organized religion is that the faithful are privileged and deserving, and the infidels are cursed and will be damned.

No, "going to heaven" doesn't bother me, because i have no good reason that such a thing will ever take place. Either you're a good stupider than you have always seemed to be, or you have been too willingly obtuse to have extracted the point i was making.

snood wrote:

Is that what bothers you most about Christians? that they (some that you know) think they have the inside track on "going to heaven"?

You probably won't believe it, but I have that same conflict (about individuals thinking they have the rules of exclusivity to "heaven") with my very own sister. She thinks she belongs to a select few.

Just curious Snood, and you don't have to answer but is your sister a Calvinist? Does she believe in predestination?