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Studying Europe's Muslim terrorists

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 05:21 am
There is a new poster campaign in Britain promoting the peaceful image of Islam

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Do the teachings of Islam encourage terrorism? The answer: Certainly not! Islam totally forbids the terrorist acts that are carried out by some misguided people. Islam encourages peace, mercy and forgiveness. Killing innocent people totally contradicts the teachings of Islam.


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The word 'Jihad' is generally misunderstood and consequently evokes strong reactions. It is a word frequently used in the press, directly or subtly, to mean holy war. In fact the term "holy war" was coined in Europe during the period of the Crusades. It is an alien concept to the Islamic framework. War is not 'holy.'


Meanwhile Prof Patricia Crone, a leading authority on the history of Islam has written

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Mohammed's God endorsed a policy of conquest, instructing his believers to fight against unbelievers wherever they might be found. In short Mohammed had to conquer, his followers liked to conquer and his deity told them to conquer


http://islamispeace.org.uk/index.php

Islam is at best nonsense. At worse it provides the moral justification for horrendous acts of political violence, and the incentive (paradise) to carry them out.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 05:29 am
Well, many religions are considered by others as nonsense - I'm not free of such prejudicies, think similar about some "funny" sects.

Patricia Crone admiited that her sources were biased which finally led to her conclusion that Islam wasn't more than a tribal rebellion against the Byzantines and Persians.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 05:54 am
When I said Islam is nonsense I should have said imo its nonsense. That is it makes no sense to me. But I accept lots of people take it very seriously. Too seriously imo.
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 06:17 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Patricia Crone admiited that her sources were biased which finally led to her conclusion that Islam wasn't more than a tribal rebellion against the Byzantines and Persians.
She didnt admit this after the fact "mea culpa".

She and her co reasearchers said at the time that the only contemporary non muslim evidence that exists about the rise of Islam was from sources which were in conflict with Islam and therefore "admittedly biased".

She has not retracted her basic conclusions about the origins of Islam.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 06:22 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
She and her co reasearchers said at the time that the only contemporary non muslim evidence that exists about the rise of Islam was from sources which were in conflict with Islam and therefore "admittedly biased".

She has not retracted her basic conclusions about the origins of Islam.


Co-researchers (pl)? As far as I know, only Michael Cook co-authored her book.

No, she didn't retract from that.
And may well be, their now single opinion will become the only historic truth some time in future.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 06:28 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
She and her co reasearchers said at the time that the only contemporary non muslim evidence that exists about the rise of Islam was from sources which were in conflict with Islam and therefore "admittedly biased".

She has not retracted her basic conclusions about the origins of Islam.


Co-researchers (pl)? As far as I know, only Michael Cook co-authored her book.

No, she didn't retract from that.
And may well be, their now single opinion will become the only historic truth some time in future.
John Wansbrough, Michael Cook, Patricia Crone, Andrew Rippon and Gerald Hawting at University of London School of Oriental and African Studies.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 06:53 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
John Wansbrough, Michael Cook, Patricia Crone, Andrew Rippon and Gerald Hawting at University of London School of Oriental and African Studies.


I only read Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World, where Michael Cook is noted is the only co-author.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 07:11 am
University of London SOAS has been at the forefront of researching the origins of Islam. (As opposed to accepting the received Muslim story about Mohammed).

Anyhoo must go David Cameron about to make the most important speech of his life.

"Tory Party staring down the barrel of a gun"
nimh
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:22 am
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Converts To Islam Move Up In Cells

Washington Post
September 15, 2007


On this note:


Summary:

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Six men have gone on trial accused of recruiting people in Belgium for an Islamic militant group, including a female convert to Islam who carried out a suicide attack in Iraq.

Nicknamed the "Belgian kamikaze", Muriel Degauque blew herself up near a U.S. patrol in 2005 in what was said to be the first suicide attack by a European woman in Iraq. Degauque came from a working-class family in the economically depressed region of Charleroi, and converted to Islam after marrying a Moroccan man.

The trial in Brussels takes place amid fears that Islamic militants are using Belgium as a logistics and support base for attacks in other countries. Among the accused is another Belgian convert to Islam, Pascal Cruypenninck.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 10:23 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
Islam is at best nonsense. At worse it provides the moral justification for horrendous acts of political violence, and the incentive (paradise) to carry them out.

Name three religions for which this isn't true. It certainly isn't true for Christianity and Judaism.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:00 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
University of London SOAS has been at the forefront of researching the origins of Islam. (As opposed to accepting the received Muslim story about Mohammed).


There resukts are published in "The Formation of the Classical Islamic World" - now 21 books, with a professor from the Hamburg university's Islamic Studies Institute as general editor.

The are actually doing the very same what e.g. other theological institutes do. And I don't think that such work is 'opposed to the bible or to whatever, but just and only looked at from a scientific point of view.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:47 am
Steve 41oo wrote:


Anyhoo must go David Cameron about to make the most important speech of his life.

"Tory Party staring down the barrel of a gun"


A few short weeks since that was written, a long time in politics.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 01:28 pm
McTag wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:


Anyhoo must go David Cameron about to make the most important speech of his life.

"Tory Party staring down the barrel of a gun"


A few short weeks since that was written, a long time in politics.
indeed and what idiot would write such a thing?


ok Embarrassed
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 07:12 pm
@Steve 41oo,
How many noble british people had mistreated the ex-colonial citizens? I mean from India and pakisthan( whether Muslim or hindus)
Do you know about jalianwalaback mass murder under British rule in India?
Should the pot call the kettle Black?
How com India elect Muslim president?
Have you ever touched Quaran in English version?
Why the hell after the sad 11th september one religion is being discriminated while other religions are tolerated?
I am an athiest. I know what I type.
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2008 02:49 am
@Ramafuchs,

Yo, Rama, calm down.

Man's inhumanity to man did not begin or end with the British Empire.

And as a matter of rather strange fact, when I was in India I found nothing but friendliness towards a Brit, and rather a lot of anglophilia.

And the cast-iron balustrades in the Karnataka State courthouse in Bangalore are exactly that same as found in many a victorian tenement in Glasgow. Strange for a Scot to see that.
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 05:48 pm
@McTag,
No sir.
My english is ambiguous or not perfect.
But as an athiest from morning till to the night one religion is slaughtered, butchered, raped because of 11th septmber.
I was born in a hindu family.
Let me ask the educated posters to expose the hinduthva 's ( a fanatic group in India) barbarism, criminalism.
I am game to expose.
Not that i uphold other religions .
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 04:40 am
@Ramafuchs,
I know there are violent sects within other religions. But no violent sect from within any religion other than Islam has ever declared war against the rest of the world. They truly believe they are doing the will of Allah, and that Paradise awaits them. The jihadists are filled with pride that "they"...or so they believe, brought down the atheistic communist empire. Now they seek to do the same to the Great Satan in the West. They are of course completely insane but in the modern world of jet engines, rockets and nuclear weapons, they are very very dangerous. They rejoiced in the slaughter of 9/11 when thousands died. They would kill millions if they could. In such circumstances, an intellectual attack on the source of their insanity - Islam - is not only justified but necessary.
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 03:00 am
@Steve 41oo,
I heard briefly this morning that 3 more Muslim extremists have been arrested under the anti terrorism act.

This time in connection with a firebomb attack on a UK publisher Martin Rynja who intends publishing The Jewel of Medina by American author Sherry Jones.

The attempt to kill him failed but he is under armed guard. The Muslim extremists haven't read the book.

These religious fanatics must not be allowed to win. There is no need to hunt them down and root them out. Just have an open debate about the hideous cult they call Islam.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 07:23 am
@Steve 41oo,

Steve, you are right, mate.

Big right-wing gains in Austria. Mosque with minarets, anyone?
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 11:33 am
@Steve 41oo,
wow.
 

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