Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread IV

There were warnings of plane hijackings, which had been a pretty old method, but to my knowledge I have not read any credible information that we were seriously warned of terrorists crashing airliners into buildings. Advocate, quote your source please.

http://www.justiceblind.com/airplanes.html

LW, Here's some of the more important items of your article:

• January 2001 - "Atlanta Rules" used to protect against an airplane attack for Bush inauguration.

• January - August 2001 - FAA issues 15 warnings to airliners ... Bush officials claim information is so vague it does not warrant additional security ... but the warnings remain classified today.

• February - July 2001 - Trial of embassy bombers in New York features testimony of 2 UBL associates that received flight training in Texas and Oklahoma. One UBL aide gives evidence to government about pilot training.

• March 2001 - Fox's show The Lone Gunmen depicts an attack by terrorists using a remote-controlled 727 aircraft against the World Trade Center (the real attackers turn out to be US government agents who want to justify continued, large military budgets by creating fear of terrorism).

• April 2001 - NORAD special operations personnel imagine a scenario where a terrorist group hijacks plane and flies it into the Pentagon ... the plan is rejected as too unrealistic.

• April 2001 - FBI translators Sibel Edmonds and Behrooz Sarshar learn of a warning given to FBI by an FBI informant that al Qaeda is planning to attack US and Europe with airplanes and that al Qaeda agents are being trained in US as pilots. Edmonds says: "President Bush said they had no specific information about September 11, and that's accurate. However, there was specific information about use of airplanes, that an attack was on the way two or three months beforehand, and that several people were already in the country by May of 2001." Says US claims about not knowing of 9/11 plan were outrageous lies ..."That's an outrageous lie and documents can prove it's a lie."

• April 2001 - FAA sends a warning to US airlines that Middle Eastern terrorists could try to hijack or blow up US planes and that carriers should demonstrate a high level of alertness.

• May 2001 - Pentagon practices for crashed 757 into Pentagon.

• June 2001 - German intelligence warns CIA, M16, and Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols, which stand out."

• June 2001 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 01 and Amalgam Virgo 02, the latter of which involves two simultaneously hijacked commercial airliners. Fighters are to respond and consider shooting down planes.

• June 2001 - Men in Cayman Islands are overheard by Cayman Islands and British intelligence discussing plans to conduct hijacking attacks in New York City. Information is forwarded to US intelligence.

• June 2001 - Counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke gives a direct warning to FAA to increase security measures in light of impending terrorist attack and FAA refuses to implement them.

• July 2001 - Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircraft due to an unknown threat assessment ... Ashcroft will not answer questions about it.

• July 2001 - FBI agent Ken Williams sends a message warning of suspicious activities involving group of Middle Eastern men taking flight training lessons in Arizona: subtitle of memo is "Osama bin Laden and Al-Muhrjiroun supporters attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona."

First sentence from the article:

President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and other White House officials have consistently denied knowing about the 9/11 plot or receiving information that (or even imagining that) commercial aircraft could be used as weapons. For example, Bush said repeatedly there were no warnings of any kind ... "Never in anybody's thought process ... about how to protect America did we ever think the evil doers would fly not one but four commercial aircraft into precious US targets ... never."

All are liars.

I remember distinctly when the Philippines news of a terrorist plan had surfaced to fly hi-jacked passenger jets into building that it was all over the news for days.

All these people must have been drugged and/or drunk and living on Mars.

Odd, when you consider that for seventy years or more, high buildings have had to be designed to withstand impact from aircraft, that impact from aircraft is not a concept that ever ocurred to any politician.

McT, Not "any" politican, just the Bush gang.

Tall buildings were designed to withstand an accidental crash, but architects and contractors weren't going so far as to state they were going to withstand a jumbo jet full of fuel and aimed at the center of the building at an angle to affect several floors. You can't tell me that the the way it was this done was without direction by some expert architectural engineers who knew those buildings. You don't suppose they were Saudi Arabian, too? Well, some would like to believe the were Iraqi's. Perhaps the same ones who built those piece-of-crap palaces for Sadaam (they are, in reality, over blown tract house construction with tons of ugly qausi-ancient Baghdad ornamentation dripping off the facades and interior walls.)

20/20 hindsight. I doubt that the CIA or intelligence has not imagined almost any kind of terrorist attack, and likely almost anything has been talked about as possibilities, but regarding them as probable are two different things entirely. And much of the linked info. is in regard to the 90's, at which time Bill Clinton declined to go after OBL because he had no reason to hold him. I would really like to know what those papers smuggled out by Sandy Bergler had written on them.

The 911 commission supposedly evaluated all of this, and one of the biggest errors in hindsight, was the "wall," in which the Clinton administration made it very tough to impossible for agencies to share intelligence. The 911 commission overlooked this huge problem, which might have been the one thing that could have averted 911. And if Clinton had captured OBL when he apparently had the chance, that might have helped also.

And after five years under Bush, OBL is still free.

Sorry but trying to blame everything on Bush is not going to fly.

It doesn't need to fly; it already crashed into the twin towers.

How do you know?
He has not been seen in public or released any audio or visual tapes in almost 3 years.
All of the statements are coming from his second in command.

There were reports from Eygpt that he had died,but I dont know if those reports were ever proven or not.

For all you know he may have assumed room temp 2 years ago and we havent found his body yet.

So 50 years from now,if we get attacked like that again,it will be Bush's fault?

Then using that logic,if we ever get attacked by someone from Bosnia or Serbia it will be Clintons fault,right?
After all,he sent the military into Bosnia.

What IS Bush's fault, vis-a-vis the Iraq war, mysteryman?

Not enough troops on the ground at the start.
There should have been at least 500,000 troops on the ground before we invaded.

Trying to fight a "PC" war,so we didnt offend anyone.
Bush was to worried about us offending Muslims,instead of letting us go in and fight.
We arent allowed to shoot back when snipers used mosques as bases to shoot at us,we werent allowed to commit to total war.
We went in with one hand tied behind our backs.

Those are the two biggest mistakes Bush made concerning the war,but I know there are others.
I do NOT think that the war itself is/was a mistake however.

Nor will I blame Bush if the US is ever hit by terrorists again.
To do so would be stupid.

A "total war"? Do you know what you are talking about?

MM rarely knows what he's talking about. But he knows the conservative message line.

Cheney finally admitted that the provisional government they set up om Iraq was a gross mistake. Since he's actually the President with his hand up Bush's ass to operate his puppet, we have a lot of blame to place on Bush's alter ego. An ego the size of the moon, upstaging Bush's self-absorbed, misdirected ego. He is a one-stepper, after all. That's an alcoholic who goes to Church to control his alcoholism and makes his higher power...er..God, or Laura Bush? She probably blows cigarette smoke in his face every time he has the urge to drink.

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