Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread IV

McGentrix wrote:

Kosovo is not Iraq. Perhaps you noticed that?

nor is Iraq WW II, perhaps you noticed that?

dyslexia wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Kosovo is not Iraq. Perhaps you noticed that?

nor is Iraq WW II, perhaps you noticed that?

That's probably why I didn't make that comparison.

Anyways...I don't think anyone is comparing the actual countries of Iraq and Germany so much as they are comparing the time and money that it will take. But, to address your points:

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Firstly: The ethnic strife that exists in Afghanistan and Iraq were absent in Japan and Germany.

There was a period of ethnic cleansing in Germany if I recall...Maybe the tribalisation found in each place is different, but the animosity that one group felt towards the other was surely present.

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Secondly: Both Japan and Germany had been been bled of resources by their wartime regimes.

As opposed to the 12 years of economic sanctions and theft from the Hussein regime? I would think that Iraq's economy was quite ruined.

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Thirdly: Both Japanese and German citizenry had been subject to a punishing campaign of aerial bobardment that provided incotrovertable evidence that they had "lost" the war.

It was quite clear to the majority of Iraqis. If you asked an Iraqi, I will bet you that they would say that we shocked and awed them...

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Fourthly: Both nations had grown weary of war and were more than ready for rebuilding and peace.

and the Iraqi's aren't? You don't think they were tired of being afraid of saddam and his regime? Tired of fearing for thier lives? They were ready for intervention.

Vietnam took place in a jungle where the MAJORITY of people hated the US. Iraq is a desert where the MAJORITY of people appreciate the US. Completely uncomparable...

McGentrix wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Kosovo is not Iraq. Perhaps you noticed that?

nor is Iraq WW II, perhaps you noticed that?

That's probably why I didn't make that comparison.

Good that even you have recognized that, by now. It's still interesting to see how, shortly after the 2003 invasion, you did think that Iraq and WWII were quite comparable:

[URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=360533#360533]McGentrix, on September 15th 2003, [/URL] wrote:

Anyways...I don't think anyone is comparing the actual countries of Iraq and Germany so much as they are comparing the time and money that it will take. But, to address your points:

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Firstly: The ethnic strife that exists in Afghanistan and Iraq were absent in Japan and Germany.

There was a period of ethnic cleansing in Germany if I recall...Maybe the tribalisation found in each place is different, but the animosity that one group felt towards the other was surely present.

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Secondly: Both Japan and Germany had been been bled of resources by their wartime regimes.

As opposed to the 12 years of economic sanctions and theft from the Hussein regime? I would think that Iraq's economy was quite ruined.

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Thirdly: Both Japanese and German citizenry had been subject to a punishing campaign of aerial bobardment that provided incotrovertable evidence that they had "lost" the war.

It was quite clear to the majority of Iraqis. If you asked an Iraqi, I will bet you that they would say that we shocked and awed them...

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Fourthly: Both nations had grown weary of war and were more than ready for rebuilding and peace.

and the Iraqi's aren't? You don't think they were tired of being afraid of saddam and his regime? Tired of fearing for thier lives? They were ready for intervention.

Vietnam took place in a jungle where the MAJORITY of people hated the US. Iraq is a desert where the MAJORITY of people appreciate the US. Completely uncomparable...

I especially like that " Iraq is a desert where the MAJORITY of people appreciate the US" statement. Did you really believe that back then?

Did you read only that post in that thread? I stand by that post at that time, yes.

After World War II, the United States ran the Japanese occupation unilaterally. Without the meddling of other nations, the Japanese occupation went off without a hitch. Within five years, Gen. Douglas MacArthur had imposed a constitutional democracy on Japan with a bicameral legislature, a bill of rights and an independent judiciary. Now the only trouble Japan causes is its insistence on selling good products to Americans at cheap prices.

In 1993, McCain's straight talk sounded much different. Then, he argued that "the orderly way" to stop the U.S. campaign in Somalia was to set a timeline and cut off funds after March 31, 1994, unless the President secured authorization from Congress. From his floor speech:

revel,
From John McCains speech that you posted...

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In 1993, McCain's straight talk sounded much different. Then, he argued that "the orderly way" to stop the U.S. campaign in Somalia was to set a timeline and cut off funds after March 31, 1994, unless the President secured authorization from Congress. From his floor speech:

Notice the part about the President securing authorization?
Clinton didnt have that in Somalia.

Bush does have it for Iraq and Afghanistan.
That is the difference.

Somalia (1992-1994)
At the end of his administration in 1992, President Bush sent American troops to assist in the delivery of food aid for famine-ravaged Somalia. The nature of the humanitarian mission became more orientated towards combat after the deaths of twenty-three Pakistani peacekeepers in June 1993. President Clinton, who by then had assumed office, decided to crush the perpetrator, the Somali warlord Mohamed Farah Aideed. By September 1993, with the mission becoming increasingly unpopular, Congress drafted legislation requiring the President to remove troops within a fixed period of time unless he received the legislature's approval. A compromise between the executive and legislative branches was worked out. It was agreed that funding for the war would cease after March 31, 1994 and the troops would be withdrawn. Furthermore, American troops were not to be put under UN command.

All Conservatives love it, because they´re not in the middle class or the poor.

How many more, you ask? At the current rate, we can expect 60+ GIs and 1200 Iraqis for every month of Bush´s War. That doesn´t say anything about the two billion dollars every week of taxpayer money Bush uses to fund this stupid war. All Conservatives love it, because they´re not in the middle class or the poor.