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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 09:20 am
BBB, It's not only those millions of barrels of oil that's missing; billions are missing in reconstruction funds. Bush continues to ask for more money to fight this war in Iraq, but his mismanagement of everything from the start of this war to the billions of dollars mismanaged and lost is the height of incompetence. There's no oversight in place, and the congress continues to shell out the money. Our country is fighting the wrong war.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 01:30 pm
c.i. wrote :

Quote:
billions are missing in reconstruction funds


my guess is that the money is not actually "missing" but has found it's way into the pockets of some deserving corporation/individuals .

as an old friend of mine used to say when people were complaining about there not being enough money :
"there is enough money allright , but the problem is that someone else has most of it ! " , was his usual reply .
Shocked Laughing
hbg

ps. i'm sure someone , somewhere is having a heck of a good time with the "missing" money .
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 05:47 pm
We already know how corrupt the conservatives are in Washington; now we must wonder how corrupt their no bid contractors are in Iraq.

Quote:
The Madness of the War Profiteering in Iraq
By Robert Greenwald, AlterNet
Posted on May 10, 2007, Printed on May 12, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/51719/
The following is Robert Greenwald's testimony to the House Appropriations Committee, Subcommittee on Defense about war profiteering.

Thank you for inviting me to testify today. I appreciate the opportunity to share with you what I have learned in the course of making the documentary film, "Iraq For Sale: The War Profiteers." Along with my colleagues at Brave New Films, I spent a year researching the experiences of soldiers, truck drivers and families affected by the presence of private military contractors in Iraq. They shared with us their harrowing experiences of how military privatization and war profiteering have affected their lives, and in some cases taken the life of a loved one.

It is their personal stories that compel me to testify today. I am not a lawyer or a financial specialist or a government expert, but I can tell you from my extensive first-hand experience with these folks that something is seriously wrong. We are hurting our country and the many patriots who serve in the military. Our taxpayer dollars are being spent, abused, mis-used, and wasted on profiteers. It is a true tragedy, and it is costing the lives of Americans and Iraqis.

Please let me introduce you to a few of these people and their stories.

Imagine someone with the exact same job as you, working next to you, but getting paid three times as much as you! We heard this story over and over again from the soldiers we interviewed. And in the case of US Army SPC David Mann, a radio repair technician who served in Iraq, he was even required to train KBR contractors to replace him. In "Iraq For Sale," David shared his frustration:

"When I could be actively becoming a better soldier and becoming more proficient in my job, instead I'm going to sit up on guard duty and wait around while KBR contractors are doing the job that I had to train them to do."

US Army specialist Anthony Lagouranis also spoke of the effects of the private contractors on the military:

"It certainly affected retention because I don't know why any military person would re-enlist to do the same job when they could get out of the military and make six times the money -- I really don't understand why they were outsourced. I mean, it seems like this is a military job and the military should be doing it. Especially because the more civilians you have out there, the more military people you need to guard them. So we're spreading us thin."

"Iraq For Sale" was seen by hundreds of thousands of people around the country, and I cannot tell you the number of soldiers who saw it and thanked us for exposing the toll that contracting and profiteering are taking on our armed forces and on the war in Iraq.

I was also appalled to learn of the amount of waste by contractors in Iraq.

I remember clearly my interview with Stewart Scott, a former Halliburton employee. With pain and rage in his voice, he said how dare Halliburton put its people up at five-star hotels, while the soldiers, who he was there to help, were sleeping on the ground. I did not believe in him at first, but then he began naming the hotels and the locations. It was all true.

I also spoke with Shane Ratliff, a truck driver from Ruby, South Carolina.

He saw Halliburton advertising a job for truck drivers in Iraq and he signed up. When Shane started telling me that empty trucks were being driven across dangerous stretches of desert, I assumed he was mistaken. Why would they do that? Then he explained that Halliburton got paid for the number of trips they took, regardless of whether they were carrying anything. These unnecessary trips where putting the lives of truckers at risk, exposing drivers and co-workers to attack. This was the result of cost-plus, no-bid contracts.

Another young Halliburton worker named James Logsdon told me about the burn pits. Burn pits are large dumps near military stations where they would burn equipment, trucks, trash, etc. If they ordered the wrong item, they'd throw it in the burn pit. If a tire blew on a piece of equipment, they'd throw the whole thing into the burn pit. They burn pits had so much equipment, they even gave them a nickname -- "Home Depot."

The trucker said he would get us some photos. And I naively asked, how big are they, the size of a backyard swimming pool? He laughed, and referred to one that he had seen that was 15 football fields large, and burned around the clock! It infuriated him to have to burn stuff rather then give it to the Iraqis or to the military. Yet Halliburton was being rewarded each time they billed the government for a new truck or new piece of equipment. With a cost- plus contract, the contractors receive a percentage of the money they spend. As Shane told me, "It's a legal way of stealing from the government or the taxpayers' money."

These costs eat up the money that could be used for other supplies.

Sgt. Phillip Slocum wrote to us and said, "In previous experiences I went off to war with extra everything, and then some. This time however, Uncle Sam sent me off with one pair of desert boots, two uniforms, and body armor that didn't fit."

Cost-plus and no-bid contracts are hopelessly undermining our efforts and costing the taxpayers billions. They do not operate within a free-market system and have no competition, but instead create a Stalinist system of rewarding cronies. In a letter from Sgt. Jon Lacore talking about the enormous amount of waste, he said, "I just can't believe that no one at all is going to jail for this or even being fired or forced to resign."

In my research, I was also shocked to discover the role of contractors in the tragedy of Abu Ghraib. Its images are seared into the minds of people throughout the world, yet few realize the role of CACI and its interrogators. As our team dug deeper and deeper into the numerous contracts, CACI and JP London kept appearing over and over. The Taguba report, the Fay report, and the Human Rights Watch report "By The Numbers" all made clear that CACI had played a significant role in the torture. As Pratap Chatterjee, head of CorpWatch has stated, CACI was using "information technology contracts through the department of Interior. So either somebody was in a big hurry or they did this deliberately so nobody would ever be able to track this ... CACI does a lot of work directly with OSD, Office of the Secretary of Defense."

And even after the investigations, there were no consequences; in fact, CACI continued to receive more and more contracts with no oversight. Later, CACI and JP London were even hired to process cases of fraud and incompetence by contractors! I kid you not -- CACI, a corporation that had profited enormously from the war and whose CEO JP London personally made $22,249,453 from his stock and salary in 2004 -- was being hired to oversee other contractors! This is a madhouse run amuck. And we need your help to fix this.

We know corporations are designed to create significant returns for its shareholders. Do we really believe they can and should be fighting for hearts and minds? Do we really think that the corporations with their legal commitment to profitability are to be given the responsibility for some of our country's most critical decisions and actions? Do we want corporations representing us in the battles for our country?

Robert Greenwald is the director/producer of "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism," as well as many other films. He is a board member of the Independent Media Institute, AlterNet's parent organization.

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/51719
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 06:36 pm
Xingu, That is not a new story; the reason many civilians take on those jobs is the money. They get paid many times more than the soldiers that has to protect them. That the majority of Americans are clue-less is not a surprise, but it galls me to know that congress are also at fault for not making sure all those billions of no contract jobs are wasted while Bush cuts back on proper equipment for our soldiers and veteran's benefits. All we see in the media are soldiers that say they are proud to help the Iraqi people, and to try to bring peace to their country. They seem to be separated from the realities of many of those soldiers that see how the civilian contractors trained by our soldiers are being paid much more while they are placed on "guard" duty.

This whole war is a farce from the bottom up. Those running the war are also clue-less - including general Petraeus. It's my understanding a good percentage of the US military are mercenaries getting paid over $100 grand with no chain of command.

Bush has everybody hoodwinked, and nobody has the guts to speak up about all these criminal activities involved with this war. After over four years of the same milarky, I doubt anything will happen to clean up this chaos called Iraq.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 07:08 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Xingu, That is not a new story; the reason many civilians take on those jobs is the money. They get paid many times more than the soldiers that has to protect them. That the majority of Americans are clue-less is not a surprise, but it galls me to know that congress are also at fault for not making sure all those billions of no contract jobs are wasted while Bush cuts back on proper equipment for our soldiers and veteran's benefits. All we see in the media are soldiers that say they are proud to help the Iraqi people, and to try to bring peace to their country. They seem to be separated from the realities of many of those soldiers that see how the civilian contractors trained by our soldiers are being paid much more while they are placed on "guard" duty.

This whole war is a farce from the bottom up. Those running the war are also clue-less - including general Petraeus. It's my understanding a good percentage of the US military are mercenaries getting paid over $100 grand with no chain of command.

Bush has everybody hoodwinked, and nobody has the guts to speak up about all these criminal activities involved with this war. After over four years of the same milarky, I doubt anything will happen to clean up this chaos called Iraq.


What galls me is this corruption is not being presented by the mainstream media. Why do we hear of this on AlterNet and not CNN or CBS?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 07:32 pm
xingu wrote: What galls me is this corruption is not being presented by the mainstream media. Why do we hear of this on AlterNet and not CNN or CBS?

They are all scared shiteless out of their tiny brains.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 07:44 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
xingu wrote: What galls me is this corruption is not being presented by the mainstream media. Why do we hear of this on AlterNet and not CNN or CBS?

They are all scared shiteless out of their tiny brains.

NO THEY ARE NOT "scared shiteless out of their tiny brains!"

Even CNN and CBS are willing to limit the quantity of malarkey they present. AlterNet sets a higher limit on the quantity of malarkey they are willing to present.

You, cice, appear to have no such malarkey limit.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 07:49 pm
Gee, look what cralwed out its hole; ican the know nothing.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 07:53 pm
Here, ican, while we have your undivided attention:

(Duplicate of a previous post.)

Another piece of evidence that ican doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to al Qaida. ican is not only a bore, but an ignorant one.

All Iraqi Ethnic Groups Overwhelmingly Reject al Qaeda
But Groups Vary on Iran, Syria, Hezbollah

Full Report
Questionnaire/Methodology
Transcript of Brookings Saban Center Event

A new poll of Iraqis shows that al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden are rejected by overwhelming majorities of Shias and Kurds and large majorities of Sunnis.

Shias have mildly positive views of Iran and its President, while Kurds and Sunnis have strongly negative views. Shias and Kurds have mostly negative views of Syria, while Sunnis are mildly positive. Shias have overwhelmingly positive views of Hezbollah, while Kurds and Sunnis have negative views.

The poll was conducted for WorldPublicOpinion.org by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland and was fielded by KA Research Ltd. / D3 Systems, Inc. A nationwide representative sample of 1,150 Iraqi adults was surveyed September 1-4.

ican, You can go crawl back into your hole, now. If you're going to tell us something, at least be accurate in your info - if that's at all possible.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 08:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Here, ican, while we have your undivided attention:

(Duplicate of a previous post.)

Another piece of evidence that ican doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to al Qaida. ican is not only a bore, but an ignorant one.

All Iraqi Ethnic Groups Overwhelmingly Reject al Qaeda
But Groups Vary on Iran, Syria, Hezbollah

Full Report
Questionnaire/Methodology
Transcript of Brookings Saban Center Event

A new poll of Iraqis shows that al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden are rejected by overwhelming majorities of Shias and Kurds and large majorities of Sunnis.

Shias have mildly positive views of Iran and its President, while Kurds and Sunnis have strongly negative views. Shias and Kurds have mostly negative views of Syria, while Sunnis are mildly positive. Shias have overwhelmingly positive views of Hezbollah, while Kurds and Sunnis have negative views.

The poll was conducted for WorldPublicOpinion.org by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland and was fielded by KA Research Ltd. / D3 Systems, Inc. A nationwide representative sample of 1,150 Iraqi adults was surveyed September 1-4.

ican, You can go crawl back into your hole, now. If you're going to tell us something, at least be accurate in your info - if that's at all possible.

Laughing
You neglected to say what it is I said about al-Qaeda that the content of your post shows to be false.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 09:29 pm
No explantions needed; you're the only one who misses the "point."
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 08:29 am
U.S. options in Iraq could soon narrow
U.S. options in Iraq could soon narrow, ranging from unpleasant to unthinkable
By Warren P. Strobel - McClatchy Newspapers
5/13/07

WASHINGTON - Now that moderate Republicans have told President Bush that time is running out on his Iraq policy, he'll have to demonstrate real progress in a matter of months or face choices that range from the highly unpleasant to the nearly unthinkable.

September, only four months away, is increasingly looking like a deadline. By then, it should be known whether Bush's "surge" strategy of increased U.S. troops in Iraq is having an impact and whether Iraqis have undertaken long-promised changes to ease sectarian warfare. The 2008 U.S. presidential election will be in full cry.

After more than four years of conflict in Iraq, analysts say, there aren't many options left.

As former U.S. officials Carlos Pascual and Kenneth Pollack, now scholars at the Brookings Institution, wrote recently:

"The four basic options facing this - and the next - administration are victory, stability, withdrawal and containment. Victory, as defined by President Bush, is not currently attainable."

Here is a look at some of the American options:

STAYING THE COURSE

The president has never wavered from his belief that "failure is not an option" in Iraq, and he may well try to stick to that strategy for the rest of his tenure.

"I don't think that Bush has any interest in giving up on Iraq," Pollack, a former CIA analyst and White House policymaker, said in an interview. "I think he's going to ride the surge until he's out of office."

Pollack and some other analysts, including Frederick Kagan of the conservative American Enterprise Institute, who was an architect of the "surge" policy, say it's much too early to declare failure. Two of the five brigades of additional U.S. troops, each comprising about 3,500 soldiers, have yet to begin operations in Iraq, they note.

Yet by most accounts, the best that Bush can hope for now is a slow crawl toward stability. That would mean a reduction in - but not an end to - violence and moves toward national reconciliation on key issues, such as distributing oil revenues.

Key to calming tensions are Iraq's neighbors, including Iran and Syria, whom the Bush administration has only now begun lobbying.

Bush might find some public support for hanging tough, or at least avoiding a precipitous withdrawal. Public opinion polls show that a majority of Americans want to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq, but few favor doing it immediately.

Yet the warning to Bush from 11 House Republicans on Tuesday underlines how the political ground will slip from under him if there's no progress and he rebuffs calls for change.

WITHDRAWING THE TROOPS

Even if a U.S. troop withdrawal began today, it would take at least eight to 10 months to get American soldiers, their equipment and the infrastructure they brought with them out of Iraq. Depending on the scenario, some U.S. troops would redeploy to other bases in and around the Middle East; many would return home.

Since taking control of Congress in January, Democrats have pushed for a withdrawal timetable.

Bush warns that leaving Iraq now would create a haven for Islamic terrorists, who could destabilize the Arab world and seek to attack the United States. (Al-Qaida had no presence in Iraq under the late President Saddam Hussein before the March 2003 U.S. invasion.)

But Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said that threat is overblown.

"I don't accept that. I think that runs counterintuitive to everything I know about the people in the Middle East," Hagel said in May 8 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations. "The Sunnis and the Shias and the Kurds do not embrace al-Qaida. They do not support al-Qaida. They do not want al-Qaida running their country."

Others acknowledge the risks, but say they are outweighed by the costs of the war, including damage to U.S. prestige; a stretched Army; and the diversion from other terrorist threats. The debate on U.S. troops in Iraq essentially comes down to whether proponents thinks the risks are greater in staying or going.

"Sadly, at this point the best thing we can do is deliberately get out of there," said retired Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who led the Army's 1st Infantry Division in Iraq.

Won't Iraq become a terrorist safe haven? "It probably will be. But you know what? We created this condition," said Batiste, arguing that it's more important to fix the Army and rethink U.S. counterterrorism strategy.

A January 2007 National Intelligence Estimate warned that a rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops "would lead to a significant increase in the scale and scope of sectarian conflict in Iraq." Al-Qaida in Iraq would use parts of the country to plan terrorist attacks inside and outside Iraq, the report said, and Turkey might invade to stop Kurdish moves toward independence.

Pollack, who was a supporter of overthrowing Saddam, said the Bush administration ignored all the risks of an invasion and assumed that the best-case scenarios would come to pass. Now, he warned, withdrawal supporters are making the same error.

"We shouldn't leave Iraq the same way we went into it," he said.

CONTAINING THE DAMAGE

If the United States decides it can't stop civil war in Iraq, an option short of withdrawal is to redeploy U.S. troops out of Iraq's cities and closer to its borders. There, they would provide haven for refugees fleeing the violence and try to stop foreign fighters from crossing into Iraq.

U.S. diplomacy would be pivotal in preventing Iraq from becoming a battlefield for its neighbors. Washington would have to persuade Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia not to intervene to defend their interests.

The past record of containing spillovers from civil war "is poor," states a January Brookings Institution report. "Despite these odds, if Iraq does descend into all-out civil war, the United States probably will have no choice but to try to contain it."

The report recommended more than a dozen steps, including establishing "catch basins" in Iraq borders to protect refugees. "This option would require the extensive and continued use of U.S. forces," it said.

Pollack acknowledged that containment "is going to be hard to make work" politically, not least because of the sight of U.S. soldiers ignoring the likely ethnic slaughter in Baghdad and other cities.

Another option, supported by Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., and others, is to partition Iraq into zones for Sunni Muslims, Shiites and Kurds. The proposal hasn't won wide backing.
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McClatchy correspondent Renee Schoof contributed to this report.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 09:49 am
The one question I have is "are we still cconstructing those permanent bases in Iraq?" That one question will answer Bush's intentions.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 01:32 pm
From BBC:

Bombings leave many dead in Iraq
At least 45 people have been killed and dozens wounded by a suicide truck bombing in the northern Iraqi town of Makhmur, police said.
The bomber crashed his truck into the offices of a leading Kurdish party, the Kurdistan Democratic Party, where a meeting was being held at the time.

It was the second suicide attack in the mainly Kurdish area in the past week.

In Baghdad, at least 10 people died when a car bomb exploded near a market in the mainly Shia Sadriya district.

Some 45 people were wounded when the bomb exploded on Wathba Square near the popular commercial area.

The blast left a small crater in the ground filled with debris from the car and surrounding buildings.


A car bombing in the same area last month killed 140 people, the bloodiest attack since a recent US security operation began in the capital.

Kurds targeted

Sunday's attack on the town of Makhmur in Irbil Province targeted the local office of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), which was holding a meeting at the time.


The KDP is led by the president of the Kurdish autonomous region, Massoud Barzani.

Local government buildings were also damaged by what witness said was a very large explosion, and a senior police officer was among the dead.

The town's mayor, prominent Kurdish writer Abd al-Rahman Delaf, was one of the many wounded taken for medical treatment to the nearby provincial capital of Irbil, about 50km north-east of Makhmur.

Makhmur's police chief said many bodies were buried under rubble and that he expected the death toll to rise.

Last week, 14 people were killed by a truck bomb in Irbil.

Political tensions have been rising in the predominantly Kurdish region over the drafting of a bill that will redistribute oil wealth among the country's Kurdish, Sunni and Shia population.

Most of Iraq's oil is concentrated around the Kurdish north and Shia south.

Search for troops

Meanwhile, US forces have stepped up efforts to find three US soldiers who are missing after their patrol was attacked south of Baghdad on Saturday.

A spokesman, Maj Gen William Caldwell, confirmed on Sunday that an Iraqi interpreter was among the five members of the patrol who were killed in the attack in Mahmudiya. The other dead members were Americans.

On Sunday, a group associated with al-Qaeda in Iraq, calling itself Islamic State in Iraq, posted a statement on the internet claiming responsibility for the attack and saying that it was holding the missing soldiers.

The group offered no proof to back up its claim.

Gen Caldwell said more than 4,000 US troops, as well as Iraqi units and aerial surveillance aircraft, were now involved in the search.

The US commander also announced that an additional 3,000 soldiers were being deployed in Diyala Province to deal with rising violence.

Last week, the US commander in the north, Maj-Gen Benjamin Mixon, said the Iraqi government's support for its own forces and provincial authorities was at times ineffective.

"There is recognition clearly that up in Diyala there has been an uptick in the violence," Gen Caldwell said.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 01:53 pm
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 03:19 pm
I wonder why this hasnt been reported by the US media?....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6206258.stm

The city of Herat in western Afghanistan has experienced five years of relative calm since the fall of the Taleban, compared to the turmoil of the south.

(snip)


"Herat today is totally different.

EDUCATION IN HERAT TODAY
Population: 249,000
Schools: 585
Net primary school attendance: 73.7%
Net primary school girls' attendance: 67.6%
Female literacy rate: 27.5%

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sources: Unicef and Afghan government
It borders Iran and Turkmenistan and as with any border city there is movement and life; markets selling Iranian and Chinese goods as well as traditional Herati carpets.

Healthcare and living conditions have dramatically improved. There are a lot of private clinics and labs with relatively sophisticated diagnostic machines. Health facilities have been opened up in remote areas.

Traffic is heavy in the morning when people rush to work. Kindergartens, primary schools, universities all function well.

Friday is the only day off in Herat and many people go to Friday prayer. It is the picnic day as well. If weather permits, many inhabitants try to get out of the city.

Wedding halls are all over the place and they are known to be the most common cause of traffic jams"


This sorta hurts those that are claiming nothing is improving in Afghanistan.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 03:21 pm
And of course there is also this...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6650755.stm

Quote:
The Taleban's top military commander in Afghanistan, Mullah Dadullah, has been killed in fighting in the south.
His body was shown to reporters in Kandahar, and Taleban sources confirmed the death, after initial denials.


Why hasnt the US media reported this?
Is it because they dont want to show any success in Afghanistan?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 03:22 pm
Improving for whom, exactly?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070508/wl_nm/afghan_dc

Quote:
Afghan senate calls for direct talks with Taliban

By Sayed SalahuddinTue May 8, 10:04 AM ET

Afghanistan's government should hold direct talks with the resurgent Taliban and other opposition forces, the senate voted on Tuesday, in a bid to end the rising bloodshed in the country.

The senate, the upper house of the Afghan parliament, also urged Western troops in the U.S.-led coalition and Afghan forces to halt the hunt for Taliban fighters and other militants.

The motion comes at a time of rising public discontent with the government of President Hamid Karzai over civilian casualties at the hands of Western troops, corruption and the failure to turn billions of dollars in aid into better livelihoods.

The senate motion calling for "direct negotiations with the concerned Afghan sides in the country" was passed by an overwhelming majority and now goes to Karzai, who has in the past failed in efforts to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table.

It follows a controversial law offering an amnesty from war crimes committed over nearly three decades of civil war.

Former cabinet minister Wadir Safi, now a political scientist at Kabul University, said the vote was a positive step, but added friction within Karzai's government over how to reach out to the Taliban needed to be resolved before peace talks could start.

"Talking to the Taliban and other opponents should be a must, for without it the crisis will go on and on," he said, adding a way should be found to include them in the government.

The Taliban could not be contacted for comment, but in the past they have ruled out peace talks and have vowed to drive out foreign troops and topple Karzai's government.

KARZAI CONFIDANT

The senate is led by former president Sibghatullah Mojadidi, a confidant of Karzai who heads a presidential commission that has tried to reach out to the Taliban and other opposition groups.

Nearly half of the 101 members of the senate are appointed by Karzai and it usually works in cooperation with him.

The senate said efforts should be made to find out the demands of the Taliban and other opponents and in the meantime military operations against them should cease.

"If the need arises for an operation, it should be carried out with coordination of the national army and police and with the consultation of the government of Afghanistan."

Karzai is under pressure from his own government after key members last month joined critics to form a new political group, the National Front, effectively the first opposition in a parliament that has no formal party structure.

They have called for some of the president's powers to be removed through the creation of a new role of prime minister.

FIGHTING ESCALATING

Fighting has escalated since early last year to its worst level since the Taliban were toppled in 2001.

On Tuesday, a civilian was killed in crossfire between the Taliban and Western troops near in the southern city of Kandahar, NATO-led forces said, just hours after a U.N. driver was shot dead in the same city on his way to work.

NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, who held talks with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in Islamabad on Tuesday, said the fight against the Taliban must push on, but added more was needed to resolve the conflict.

"The final answer in Afghanistan will not be a military one and cannot be a military one," de Hoop Scheffer said. "The final answer in Afghanistan is reconstruction, development and nation-building."

NATO has more than 35,000 troops in Afghanistan -- the alliance's biggest ever ground operation.

De Hoop Scheffer said the relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan was of great importance.

Leaders of the uneasy neighbors held their first talks in months on April 30 in Turkey, and de Hoop Scheffer said he hoped their meeting would have positive results.

"We are all in the same boat. We are fighting terrorism, we are fighting extremism, we are preventing Afghanistan becoming again a failed state," he said.

"We cannot afford to fail because the consequences would be felt in the region ... and globally."

(Additional reporting by Robert Birsel in Islamabad)


The Taliban will be back in power soon enough, it seems.

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 03:26 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Improving for whom, exactly?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070508/wl_nm/afghan_dc

Quote:
Afghan senate calls for direct talks with Taliban

By Sayed SalahuddinTue May 8, 10:04 AM ET

Afghanistan's government should hold direct talks with the resurgent Taliban and other opposition forces, the senate voted on Tuesday, in a bid to end the rising bloodshed in the country.

The senate, the upper house of the Afghan parliament, also urged Western troops in the U.S.-led coalition and Afghan forces to halt the hunt for Taliban fighters and other militants.

The motion comes at a time of rising public discontent with the government of President Hamid Karzai over civilian casualties at the hands of Western troops, corruption and the failure to turn billions of dollars in aid into better livelihoods.

The senate motion calling for "direct negotiations with the concerned Afghan sides in the country" was passed by an overwhelming majority and now goes to Karzai, who has in the past failed in efforts to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table.

It follows a controversial law offering an amnesty from war crimes committed over nearly three decades of civil war.

Former cabinet minister Wadir Safi, now a political scientist at Kabul University, said the vote was a positive step, but added friction within Karzai's government over how to reach out to the Taliban needed to be resolved before peace talks could start.

"Talking to the Taliban and other opponents should be a must, for without it the crisis will go on and on," he said, adding a way should be found to include them in the government.

The Taliban could not be contacted for comment, but in the past they have ruled out peace talks and have vowed to drive out foreign troops and topple Karzai's government.

KARZAI CONFIDANT

The senate is led by former president Sibghatullah Mojadidi, a confidant of Karzai who heads a presidential commission that has tried to reach out to the Taliban and other opposition groups.

Nearly half of the 101 members of the senate are appointed by Karzai and it usually works in cooperation with him.

The senate said efforts should be made to find out the demands of the Taliban and other opponents and in the meantime military operations against them should cease.

"If the need arises for an operation, it should be carried out with coordination of the national army and police and with the consultation of the government of Afghanistan."

Karzai is under pressure from his own government after key members last month joined critics to form a new political group, the National Front, effectively the first opposition in a parliament that has no formal party structure.

They have called for some of the president's powers to be removed through the creation of a new role of prime minister.

FIGHTING ESCALATING

Fighting has escalated since early last year to its worst level since the Taliban were toppled in 2001.

On Tuesday, a civilian was killed in crossfire between the Taliban and Western troops near in the southern city of Kandahar, NATO-led forces said, just hours after a U.N. driver was shot dead in the same city on his way to work.

NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, who held talks with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in Islamabad on Tuesday, said the fight against the Taliban must push on, but added more was needed to resolve the conflict.

"The final answer in Afghanistan will not be a military one and cannot be a military one," de Hoop Scheffer said. "The final answer in Afghanistan is reconstruction, development and nation-building."

NATO has more than 35,000 troops in Afghanistan -- the alliance's biggest ever ground operation.

De Hoop Scheffer said the relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan was of great importance.

Leaders of the uneasy neighbors held their first talks in months on April 30 in Turkey, and de Hoop Scheffer said he hoped their meeting would have positive results.

"We are all in the same boat. We are fighting terrorism, we are fighting extremism, we are preventing Afghanistan becoming again a failed state," he said.

"We cannot afford to fail because the consequences would be felt in the region ... and globally."

(Additional reporting by Robert Birsel in Islamabad)


The Taliban will be back in power soon enough, it seems.

Cycloptichorn


Read the article I posted,and you will get an answer to your question.
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And, not to be too picky, but Herat is about as far away from the conflict areas as it could be and still be in Afghanistan. It'd be like reflecting on the heroic battles fought by citizens of Western New York during the American Revolution.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42388000/gif/_42388588_afghan_herat203.gif

You can bet that there is plenty of help coming in from the Iranians across the border.

And the death of Mullah Dadullah was front page news in the New York Times or don't they count? LINK
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