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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2009 10:22 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
ican continues to make claims he can't back up with evidence. Typical ican post; just ignore him.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2009 11:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

ican continues to make claims he can't back up with evidence. Typical ican post; just ignore him.


good idea. i'm in very short supply of patience today. ggrrrrr! Laughing
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2009 06:15 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
No! I am not wrong! You, DontTreadOnMe, are wrong!
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, 09/08/2006, wrote:

http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
Postwar information indicates that the Intelligence Community accurately assessed that al-Qa'ida affiliate group Ansar al-Islam operated in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq

General Franks, describing the Iraq invasion he led in March 2003, wrote:

American Soldier, by General Tommy Franks, 7/1/2004
"10" Regan Books, An Imprint of HarperCollins Publishers

page 483:
"The air picture changed once more. Now the icons were streaming toward two ridges and a steep valley in far northeastern Iraq, right on the border with Iran. These were the camps of the Ansar al-Isla terrorists, where al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Zarqawi had trained disciples in the use of chemical and biological weapons. But this strike was more than just another [Tomahawk Land Attack Missile] bashing. Soon Special Forces and [Special Mission Unit] operators, leading Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, would be storming the camps, collecting evidence, taking prisoners, and killing all those who resisted."

page 519:
"The Marines] also encountered several hundred foreign fighters from Egypt, the Sudan, Syria, and Lybia who were being trained by the regime in a camp south of Baghdad. Those foreign volunteers fought with suicidal ferocity, but they did not fight well. The Marines killed them all."

Wikipedia wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam
Ansar al-Islam was formed in December 2001.
...
Ansar al-Islam comprised about 300 armed men, many of these veterans from the Afghan war, and a proportion being neither Kurd nor Arab. Ansar al-Islam is alleged to be connected to al-Qaeda, and provided an entry point for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other Afghan veterans to enter Iraq.

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revel
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 06:52 am

Some relatively good news.



US unit to leave Baghdad ahead of June 30 deadline
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 10:20 am
@revel,
The link's print has overruns on the words, and is very difficult to read.

But, it's about time! We spent six years and have been spending two billion dollars every week for a unwinnable war in Iraq. It's up to the Iraqi people to come to terms of peace between the Kurds, Sunni and Shia who's been at war for over a thousand years.

Bush never studied history - nor anything else.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 04:33 pm
Oh yes! There was an early bird on al-Qaeda in Iraq before the USA invaded Iraq!

Of the 23 “Whereases” (i.e., reasons) given by the USA Congress for its October 16, 2002 resolution, 12 were subsequently proven true. The remaining 11 were subsequently proven false.

Congress wrote:

www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf
Public Law 107-243 107th Congress Joint Resolution Oct. 16, 2002 (H.J. Res. 114) To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq
...
[TRUE] Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

[TRUE] Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

[TRUE] Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;
...
Quote:


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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 12:44 am

I hear (radio news this morning) that the American military command in Afghanistan has concluded that it's a bad idea to kill civilians.

About seven years too late.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 09:40 am
@McTag,
Funny how our government never concluded the same concerning Iraq.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 06:55 am
@McTag,
I wonder they ever had to come to such an obvious conclusion; much less have to state out loud on a radio address. Did they once think it was a good idea?
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 02:46 am
Now, after 750,000 dead civilians in Iraq, the NeoCons get a conscious? Give me a break!
okie
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 08:31 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

Now, after 750,000 dead civilians in Iraq, the NeoCons get a conscious? Give me a break!

And how many lives have been saved?

Also, BillW, are you keeping tabs of the death toll in Afghanistan since Obama took office?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 10:11 am
@okie,
Yeah, okie, how many lives have been saved? Please give us a clue? It's okay now to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents to save how many lives?
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 03:34 pm
Too many - there are primarily in Pakistan, but at least Obama makes attempts to and policies against. Still, his time is running very short....
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 03:55 pm
@BillW,
IRAQ
Quote:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Documented civilian deaths from violence [2003 - 2009]

92,345 " 100,820
...Monthly table
.....2003.....2004.....2005.....2006.....2007.....2008.....2009
Jan.....3.....568.....1035.....1430.....2806.....742.....275
Feb.....2.....604.....1201.....1449.....2536.....1007.....343
Mar.....3976.....957.....786.....1789.....2614.....1538.....415
Apr.....3437.....1256.....1025.....1590.....2436.....1260.....483
May.....545.....619.....1226.....2103.....2769.....59.....298
Jun.....593.....833.....1215.....2426.....2108.....669
Jul.....650.....762..... 1444.....3159.....2568.....583
Aug.....790.....823.....2165.....2743.....2329.....591
Sep.....553.....943.....1330.....2408.....1221.....535
Oct.....493.....947.....1201.....2924.....1185..... 527
Nov.....478.....1533.....1208.....2969.....1043.....472
Dec.....529.....906.....996.....2662.....903.....521
Tot.12,049.....10,751.....14,832.....27,652.....24,518.....9,204.....1,814

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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 04:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
224,000 to save at least 1 million seems like a good deal, at least it did at the time.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 04:10 pm
I always like to use a conservative estimate:

Quote:
Americans now know that these six years of the Iraq war have been a reign of death unparalleled in recent military history. Besides the 4,239 American Military causalities, and over 100,000 American Military wounded there have also been an estimated 1,320,100 Iraqi civilian deaths.


http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16596
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 04:10 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

BillW wrote:

Now, after 750,000 dead civilians in Iraq, the NeoCons get a conscious? Give me a break!

And how many lives have been saved?


You do realize that this is the same metric as 'jobs saved' under the Obama stimulus?

Hard to see you supporting one without the other...

Cycloptichorn
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 04:18 pm
saved a job to kill civilians - yeah, thanks, I get your point. After all, it was only a sand n... , uh, an A-rab.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 04:40 pm
@BillW,
Actually, that's "oil in the sand."
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 09:18 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

Too many - there are primarily in Pakistan, but at least Obama makes attempts to and policies against. Still, his time is running very short....

So at least Obama makes attempts to not kill civilians? So Bush did not?

Does Obama care about an innocent child that survived abortion if it is killed soon after birth? Does he, Bill?

No wonder liberals are called whackos!
 

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