THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

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We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.

Ah, the Green Lantern theory of diplomacy and warfare.
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We can only fail, if we believe we can fail

Such hubris has been the end of more than one nation. I pray that we find humility before we suffer the same fate.

Cycloptichorn

We will probably lose in Iraq if we assume we will lose in Iraq.
We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.

Ah, the Green Lantern theory of diplomacy and warfare.
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We can only fail, if we believe we can fail

Such hubris has been the end of more than one nation. I pray that we find humility before we suffer the same fate.

Cycloptichorn

ican711nm wrote:

We will probably lose in Iraq if we assume we will lose in Iraq.
We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.

Persistance with the kind of humility you wish upon us will probably lead to the end of our nation, beginning with our loss in Iraq.

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.

Ah, the Green Lantern theory of diplomacy and warfare.
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We can only fail, if we believe we can fail

Such hubris has been the end of more than one nation. I pray that we find humility before we suffer the same fate.

Cycloptichorn

ican711nm wrote:

We will probably lose in Iraq if we assume we will lose in Iraq.
We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.

Persistance with the kind of humility you wish upon us will probably lead to the end of our nation, beginning with our loss in Iraq.

As an intellectual exercise, tell me - how will the US end? What will bring about our end? You talk about this a lot, so I would think that instead of fearmongering, you could tell us specific things that you predict would happen if we pulled out of Iraq, and how that would lead to the end of the US.

Cycloptichorn

Such hubris has been the end of more than one nation. I pray that we find humility before we suffer the same fate.

Persistance with the kind of humility you wish upon us will probably lead to the end of our nation, beginning with our loss in Iraq.

As an intellectual exercise, tell me - how will the US end? What will bring about our end?

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasur[y]. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

March 12th, 2007 7:16 pm
The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq

At Fort Benning, soldiers who were classified as medically unfit to fight are now being sent to war. Is this an isolated incident or a trend?

By Mark Benjamin / Salon

COLUMBUS, Ga. -- "This is not right," said Master Sgt. Ronald Jenkins, who has been ordered to Iraq even though he has a spine problem that doctors say would be damaged further by heavy Army protective gear. "This whole thing is about taking care of soldiers," he said angrily. "If you are fit to fight you are fit to fight. If you are not fit to fight, then you are not fit to fight."

As the military scrambles to pour more soldiers into Iraq, a unit of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Benning, Ga., is deploying troops with serious injuries and other medical problems, including GIs who doctors have said are medically unfit for battle. Some are too injured to wear their body armor, according to medical records.

Master Sgt. Jenkins, 42, has a degenerative spine problem and a long scar down the back of his neck where three of his vertebrae were fused during surgery. He takes a cornucopia of potent pain pills. His medical records say he is "at significantly increased risk of re-injury during deployment where he will be wearing Kevlar, body armor and traveling through rough terrain." Late last year, those medical records show, a doctor recommended that Jenkins be referred to an Army board that handles retirements when injuries are permanent and severe.

A copy of Jenkins' profile written after that Feb. 15 meeting and signed by Capt. Starbuck, the brigade surgeon, shows a healthier soldier than the profile of Jenkins written by another doctor just late last year, though Jenkins says his condition is unchanged. Other soldiers' documents show the same pattern.

One female soldier with psychiatric issues and a spine problem has been in the Army for nearly 20 years. "My [health] is deteriorating," she said over dinner at a restaurant near Fort Benning. "My spine is separating. I can't carry gear." Her medical records include the note "unable to deploy overseas." Her status was also reviewed on Feb. 15. And she has been ordered to Iraq this week.

We have ignoramuses running our military.


Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
15 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Monday he considers homosexuality to be immoral and the military should not condone it by allowing gay personnel to serve openly, the Chicago Tribune reported.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace likened homosexuality to adultery, which he said was also immoral, the newspaper reported on its Web site.

"I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way," Pace told the newspaper in a wide-ranging interview.

My greatest fear is that the Bush Doctrine will succeed--that Bush will crush the terrorists, tame the rogue states of the axis of evil, and usher in a golden age of American supremacy. American supremacy is flawed and bound to fail in the long run.

="George Soros In his 2004 book, page 159, The Bubble of American Supremacy"]
The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.

The Soros gang, its fellow travelers, and its sympathizers are still trying to convince us all that George Bush and the members of his administration are fools&frauds.

Suppose they succeed?

What has that got to do with this?

WHEN TO STAY AND WHEN TO LEAVE IRAQ

When the Iraqis decide they can protect themselves without our help, and the Iraqi government asks us to leave, we must remove our military from Iraq as rapidly as we are able, but only after they ask us to leave.

We will probably lose in Iraq if we assume we will lose in Iraq.
We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.
I for one assume we will win in Iraq.

Who wants us to lose in Iraq?

George Soros in his 2003 edition of his book, page 15, [i]The Alchemy of Finance[/i] wrote:

My greatest fear is that the Bush Doctrine will succeed--that Bush will crush the terrorists, tame the rogue states of the axis of evil, and usher in a golden age of American supremacy. American supremacy is flawed and bound to fail in the long run.

Who wants us to disregard our principles?

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= "George Soros In his 2004 book, page 159, The Bubble of American Supremacy"]
The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.

ican711nm wrote:

The Soros gang, its fellow travelers, and its sympathizers are still trying to convince us all that George Bush and the members of his administration are fools&frauds.

Suppose they succeed?

What has that got to do with this?

WHEN TO STAY AND WHEN TO LEAVE IRAQ

When the Iraqis decide they can protect themselves without our help, and the Iraqi government asks us to leave, we must remove our military from Iraq as rapidly as we are able, but only after they ask us to leave.

We will probably lose in Iraq if we assume we will lose in Iraq.
We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.
I for one assume we will win in Iraq.

Who wants us to lose in Iraq?

George Soros in his 2003 edition of his book, page 15, [i]The Alchemy of Finance[/i] wrote:

My greatest fear is that the Bush Doctrine will succeed--that Bush will crush the terrorists, tame the rogue states of the axis of evil, and usher in a golden age of American supremacy. American supremacy is flawed and bound to fail in the long run.

Who wants us to disregard our principles?

George Soros In his 2004 book, page 159, [i]The Bubble of American Supremacy[/i] wrote:

The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.

Your obsession with Soros would be sad if it wasn't so damn funny. You're turning into a laughing-stock on A2K, Ican

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

The Soros gang, its fellow travelers, and its sympathizers are still trying to convince us all that George Bush and the members of his administration are fools&frauds.

Suppose they succeed?

What has that got to do with this?

WHEN TO STAY AND WHEN TO LEAVE IRAQ

When the Iraqis decide they can protect themselves without our help, and the Iraqi government asks us to leave, we must remove our military from Iraq as rapidly as we are able, but only after they ask us to leave.

We will probably lose in Iraq if we assume we will lose in Iraq.
We will probably win in Iraq if we assume we will win in Iraq.
I for one assume we will win in Iraq.

Who wants us to lose in Iraq?

George Soros in his 2003 edition of his book, page 15, [i]The Alchemy of Finance[/i] wrote:

My greatest fear is that the Bush Doctrine will succeed--that Bush will crush the terrorists, tame the rogue states of the axis of evil, and usher in a golden age of American supremacy. American supremacy is flawed and bound to fail in the long run.

Who wants us to disregard our principles?

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="George Soros In his 2004 book, page 159, The Bubble of American Supremacy"]
The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.

Your obsession with Soros would be sad if it wasn't so damn funny. You're turning into a laughing-stock on A2K, Ican

Cycloptichorn

Your obsession with the malarkey fomented by Soros in the Soros gang directed news media is sad and is funny and makes your blind-to-reality assertions, jokes.

is there anything going wrong in this world that CANNOT be blamed on soros ?
he must feel that he is god-like , with all the credit he is getting for the mayhem being created in this world by others .
hbg

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Many of these [sources of mine], I guarantee, have nothing to do with Soros whatsoever.
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Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Many of these [sources of mine], I guarantee, have nothing to do with Soros whatsoever.
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Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn, you know as well as I do that you have made these dumb statements on able2know:
(1) one cannot prove a negative
(2) al-Qaeda has contributed little to the 2006 and 2007 mass murders of non-murderers in Iraq
(3) al-Qaeda was caused to be in Iraq by the American invasion of Iraq
(4) the Bush administration is responsible for the mass murders of non-murderers in Iraq since we invaded Iraq
(5) the US invasion of Iraq was illegal
(6) the Iraqi people do not want democracy
(7) the American people want us to leave Iraq before the Iraqi people can defend themselves without our help
(8) go after and punish the criminals who carry [suicidal terrorism] out
(9) the Bush admin isn't interested in catching Osama Bin Laden or the top AQ leadership
(10) The Taliban did far more than just allow AQ sanctuary, they were entwined together ... very different from Saddam's situation
(11) You quoted the wrong passage; that one talks about self-defense, whereas we are currently on the Offensive
(12) There is no such thing as going on the offensive in order to defend oneself
(13) Many of these [sources of mine], I guarantee, have nothing to do with Soros whatsoever.

You guarantee

You folks appear to think the USA's inadequate performance cannot be improved.

We folks who disagree with you think that we must persist and do whatever it takes to enable the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan to remove the smmonm from their countries without our help.

Yes, unless Soros is funding the National Review and other comparable Republican news and opinion sources.

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You folks appear to think the USA's inadequate performance cannot be improved.

You are wrong; we believe that it won't be improved. There's no evidence to show that it will.
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Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yes, unless Soros is funding the National Review and other comparable Republican news and opinion sources.

Excuse me! WHEN AND WHAT did you ever post here in this forum that was an excerpt or a link from the National Review or other comparable Republican news and opinion sources?

Hay! that's a nice mystery phrase: "other comparable Republican news and opinion sources."

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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You folks appear to think the USA's inadequate performance cannot be improved.

You are wrong; we believe that it won't be improved. There's no evidence to show that it will.
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Cycloptichorn

Fair enough!

ADDENDUM

You folks appear to think the USA's inadequate performance WILL NOT be improved.

We folks who disagree with you think that USA's inadequate performance WILL be improved.