THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

Ramafuchs wrote:

Let me wish and hope the innocent citizens of Iraq chase away the barbarians

I think "the innocent citizens of Iraq" ought to also "chase away," by telling them to leave, the USA military as soon as these citizen are convinced they no longer need the USA military to help protect them from "the barbarians."

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Barbarism sir is the correct english if you observe the events in Iraq.
No more comments.
Blueflame knows .

Anyone who support/admire the barbaric war in Iraq is one-sided if not illogical.

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Ramafuchs wrote:

Barbarism sir is the correct english if you observe the events in Iraq.
No more comments.
Blueflame knows .

Anyone who support/admire the barbaric war in Iraq is one-sided if not illogical.

The Iraq war is a war against barbarians. So it is a barbaric war. In Iraq, the barbarians are the al-Qaeda affiliates and the Saddamites.

The Afghanistan war is a war against barbarians. So it is a barbaric war. In Afghanistan, the barbarians are the al-Qaeda affiliates and the Taliban.

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Ican
by barbarians I mean the embedded Sadam's comrades.

Iraq is the best Example to expose the barbarians political system.
Should I go offensive ssir( Not my ethics nor culture but I can make exception)

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ican711nm wrote:

I think Bush is sometimes honestly competent, but too often honestly incompetent.

The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were necessary to rid both nations of gangster governments--governments that mass murdered their non-murdering people--and to exterminate the al-Qaeda affiliates that had gained sanctuary in each country. However, Bush did a lousy job of explaining that after we invaded Iraq. He also has done a lousy job transfering control of each country to their people's new governments.

Instead of fussing about timelines, Bush should have publically declared the conditions the new governments of each country had to meet for the USA military to continue to remain in each country after invasion and help them defend their countries.

There are gangster governments all over the world, and it is not our job to police the world. We have neither the military nor treasury for this. Moreover, Bush went into Iraq for its oil, as reported by McCain and Greenspan, and confirmed by available documentation.

We should have gone into Afghanistan for al-Qaida only, and then immediately leave. We didn't have to take over and occupy the country, where we are now stuck. We will most likely be eventually driven out as happened to the USSR.

You should read history to see what happened to the Roman Empire, Nazi Germany, and similar.

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You should ask the Iraqis who the barbarians are. We are the ones who are breaking into homes, shelling and bombing villages, etc. The people didn't want us to invade, and the vast majority want us out (or dead). We have killed and injured hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and largely destroyed the country. We have brought on ethnic cleansing, which has divided the country into ethnic sectors. Wake up!

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For ican, waking up is an impossible task. His brain is on cruise control, and no new information has any effect.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

For ican, waking up is an impossible task. His brain is on cruise control, and no new information has any effect.

Unfortunately, this is typical of the electorate in our country. We are full of know-nothings.

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Just a repeated question.
How many members of A2K had travelled or visited in Bagdad?
I was there and I know mysteryman was there on duty.

After my personal two days visit i am of the opinion that USA is an uninvited guest .

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I think "the innocent citizens of Iraq" ought to tell their government to also "chase away," by telling them to leave, the USA military as soon as these citizen are convinced they no longer need the USA military to help protect them from "the barbarians."

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They are doing sir.
Days are numbered for the uninvited but embedded comrades.

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While Westerners protesting against China's alleged human rights abuses, the Iraqi people have been living under murderous Occupation since the 2003 Anglo-American aggression. More than 1.3 million innocent Iraqi civilians, mostly women and children have been killed by U.S. and British forces and their collaborators. Tens of thousands of Iraqis, including women and children, are imprisoned indefinitely in barbaric conditions in U.S.-run prisons throughout Iraq, without charge or trial. They are denied their basic rights, abused and tortured routinely. On top of that, at least 5 million Iraqis have been displaced as a result of U.S.-orchestrated ethnic cleansing. Of these, at least 2.8 million Iraqis are internally displaced persons (IDPs) faced worsening living conditions. More than 2 million Iraqis have fled the Occupation-generated violence to neighbouring countries. An entire nation of 25 million people has been deliberately targeted for destruction, including cultural genocide. And although the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are against the murderous Occupation, the U.S refused to withdraw its troops and mercenaries from Iraq. Why there is no protest for free Iraq?

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_27987.shtml
the bove voice is a human voice and not the blind flag-waving noise

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MALARKEY!

It is another of many distortions of reality to hide a terribly ugly reality. The primary causers of death and maiming in Iraq are middle eastern mass-murderers of non-murderers.

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Let me beg you to close this thread.
I will post and expose the idiotic misadventure in Iraq, because i had some deep very deep views than you sir.

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ican thinks he has better information that those you are involved in the Iraqi civilian casualty numbers. These are numbers based on casualties by coalition forces.

Month:
Iraqi Deaths
Period ISF Civ
Aug-08 26 96
Jul-08 98 321
Jun-08 77 373
May-08 110 396
Apr-08 113 631
Mar-08 161 819
Feb-08 110 564
Jan-08 69 485
Dec-07 72 476
Nov-07 89 471
Oct-07 114 565
Sep-07 96 752
Aug-07 76 1598
Jul-07 232 1458
Jun-07 197 1148
May-07 198 1782
Apr-07 300 1521
Mar-07 215 2762
Feb-07 150 2864
Jan-07 91 1711
Dec-06 123 1629
Nov-06 123 1741
Oct-06 224 1315
Sep-06 150 3389
Aug-06 233 2733
Jul-06 217 1063
Jun-06 132 738
May-06 150 969
Apr-06 201 808
Mar-06 191 901
Feb-06 158 688
Jan-06 189 590
Dec-05 193 344
Nov-05 176 592
Oct-05 215 463
Sep-05 233 640
Aug-05 282 1524
Jul-05 304 518
Jun-05 296 469
May-05 259 572
Apr-05 199 301
Mar-05 176 257
Feb-05 103 NA
Jan-05 109 NA
Total
Total Prior to 2005
Total 7230
1300
8530 43037
?

The Brookings Institution puts the number at over 100,000. Some other organizations go as high as over 300,000.

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Let me repeat the barbarians should be chased away.
by barbarians i mean who had trained the executed /embedded Sadam.

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Iraq is a very sensitive subject.
Blueflame and my poorself had warned about the costs and repurcussion in Abuzz.
Damage had been done and image shattered.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

ican thinks he has better information that those you are involved in the Iraqi civilian casualty numbers. These are numbers based on casualties by coalition forces.

Month:
Iraqi Deaths
Period ISF Civ
...
Total
Total Prior to 2005
Total 7230
1300
8530 43037
?

The Brookings Institution puts the number at over 100,000. Some other organizations go as high as over 300,000.

Quote:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Documented civilian deaths from violence

86,609 - 94,490

Deaths per day from suicide attacks and vehicle bombs (now includes non-vehicle suicide attacks)

Deaths per day from gunfire / executions

Weekly graph Monthly table
Weekly graph Monthly table

2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Jan 3 576 1015 1423 2795 741
Feb 2 584 1179 1443 2465 962
Mar 3976 955 765 1765 2564 1534
Apr 3437 1247 1009 1589 2416 1257
May 545 619 1222 2095 2732 735
Jun 593 832 1214 2423 2085 88
Jul 648 754 1431 3127 2531 ?
Aug 791 823 2165 2740 2324 ?
Sep 548 912 1321 2405 1221 ?
Oct 488 912 1192 2917 1189 ?
Nov 479 1532 1191 2966 1039 ?
Dec 525 900 979 2656 899 ?
12,035 10,646 14,683 27,549 24,260 5,317

This data is based on 15,340 database entries from the beginning of the war to 4 June 2008. The most recent weeks are always in the process of compilation and will rise further. The current range contains 2,382-2,453 deaths (2.8%-2.6%, a portion which may rise or fall over time) based on single-sourced reports. Graphs are based on the higher number in our totals. Gaps in recording and reporting suggest that even our highest totals to date may be missing many civilian deaths from violence. See Recent Events for as yet unpublished incidents, and read About IBC for a better description of the project's scope and limitations.

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Ramafuchs wrote:

Let me repeat the barbarians should be chased away.
by barbarians i mean who had trained the executed /embedded Sadam.

Saddam Hussein became the leader of Iraq in 1979!

What barbarians caused that to happen?

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