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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 06:54 am
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Al Qaida groups 'leaving Iraq for Sudan, Somalia'


Baghdad: Some groups of Al Qaida terror network in Iraq have started leaving the country towards other hot spots in Africa like Sudan and Somalia, security sources tell Gulf News.

A key reason behind the change in strategy by the so-called Al Qaida Organisation in Mesopotamia is the intensity of the latest military strikes launched by Iraqi and US forces against the network, which has been the major challenge to restoring the stability of Iraq, the sources said.


"Our intelligence information indicates the withdrawal of certain groups of Al Qaida from Iraq because of the military strikes. Many of them have escaped through the borders with Syria and Iran to hotter zones such as Somalia and Sudan," Major General Hussain Ali Kamal, head of the Investigation and Information Agency at the Interior Ministry, told Gulf News.

"I believe this is the beginning of the complete withdrawal of Al Qaida from Iraqi territory."

A source at Iraqi Ministry of National Security said that documents and letters found in hideouts of "some elements of Al Qaida" during search operations in Sunni suburbs in Baghdad, which were previously under the control of Al Qaida, "prove these elements left Iraq for Somalia and Sudan".


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Yesterday on ABC's This Week roundtable, Ted Koppel said the U.S. needs to stay in Iraq because of the "huge amount of oil and natural gas there":

KOPPEL: U.S. troops are in a part of the world that produces a huge amount of oil and natural gas. We will have U.S. troops in that region for years to come, whether we want to or not. … And with the price of oil going up to a 4.5 dollars a gallon, imagine what would happen to the price of oil if we precipitously pull troops out of the Persian Gulf. It's not going to happen.


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(sometimes it seems like some of these guys are coming out of closet about oil being the main reason they wanted to invade Iraq.)

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Tuesday, July 08, 2008
Maliki and Timetable for US Withdrawal

A White House spokesman emphasized that US-Iraqi talks on a Status of Forces Agreement do not include mention of a hard date for US withdrawal.

The disclaimer came after Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki for the first time spoke of seeking a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops.

Al-Maliki is under pressure from the Sadr Movement, led by cleric Sayyid Muqtada al-Sadr, to seek such a timetable. Thousands of Iraqis demonstrated Friday against the SOFA negotiations on the grounds that they surrendered too much of Iraq's sovereignty.

Al-Hayat reports in Arabic that Sadrist aide Liwa' Sumaisim praised al-Maliki's statement as a "positive development" and said that the Sadr Movement was ready to support it.

Meanwhile, MP Jalal al-Din Saghir said that the latest proposed draft of the SOFA from the American side left a great deal to be desired.

A highly placed Iraqi source told al-Hayat that a study had been completed a month ago on a US withdrawal from Iraq. He said that the American negotiators had not forbidden it, and that they were themselves aware that Barack Obama might win the presidency. Obama has pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq.

Meanwhile, Sunni Arab guerrillas launched a violent campaign in provincial Iraq. They fired mortars at the mansion of the governor in Mosul. They wounded the mayor of Kirkuk. There were also several attacks on members of the Awakening Councils formed under the auspices of the US.

Al-Hayat reports that the Sunni Iraqi Accord Front has criticized the Iraqi government for its ambivalence on having the IAF rejoin the government, with cabinet members.

McClatchy profiles Col. David Paschal, the US commander in Kirkuk Province, depicting his success at deploying counter-insurgency techniques to reduce violence in the troubled northern area.

McClatchy reports political violence in Iraq on Monday.


'Baghdad

An adhesive IED on a civilian car exploded in Adhamiyah, northern Baghdad injuring four civilians.. The car belonged to a university teacher, Mohammmed Sadoun who had just left the car when it blew. He was not amongst the injured.

Diyala

A female suicide bomber detonated inside a wedding dress store in al-Mafraq neighbourhood, central Baquba at 11 a.m. Monday. The explosion killed one woman and one man and wounded fourteen, mostly women and children.

One woman killed by unknown gunmen in al-Aheimir village, 10 km to the east of Baquba at 11.30 a.m.

Gunmen killed a member of the Sahwa Council, a U.S. backed militia, in al-Hashimiyah neighbourhood, western Baquba at around 10.30 a.m. Monday.

A roadside bomb targeted a woman in al-Aheimir village at 11.30 a.m.

A roadside bomb exploded killing two civilians in al-Mualimeen neighbourhood, western Baquba.

A roadside bomb targeted a civilian car on the route between Mendili and Neftekhana, Monday, killing four civilians from one family, injuring three others.

Nineveh

Six mortar rounds targeted the Governorate building in Mosul. Only one hit the building injuring six civilians including two employees.

Salahuddin

Gunmen killed one civilian and wounded another on the main route between Tikrit and Tuz Monday at noon. Victims were sheep traders; both were Shiite.

Kirkuk

A roadside bomb exploded in front of the residence of Mayor of Sulaiman Bek, to the south of Kirkuk Monday morning critically injuring the Mayor and wounding other civilians in the vicinity.

Anbar

A suicide car bomb targeted Sahwa Council offices, a U.S. backed militia, in Smeismiyah area, to the east of the town of Rawa during a meeting Sunday at noon injuring eleven Sahwa members, three of whom are critical.'

posted by Juan Cole @ 7/08/2008 12:57:00 AM


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revel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:54 am
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Al-Rubaie spoke to reporters after briefing Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in Najaf on the progress of the government's security efforts and the talks.

"Our stance in the negotiations underway with the American side will be strong ... We will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn't have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq," al-Rubaie said.


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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 12:30 pm
Why, the Iraqis are advocating defeat!

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 12:37 pm
No, the whole thing hinges on what Bush has been saying since the beginning of this war; we'll leave when they ask us to leave.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 02:19 pm
Iraq presses US on timeline for troop pullout

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA and SEBASTIAN ABBOT, Associated Press Writers 1 hour, 7 minutes ago

BAGHDAD - Iraqi officials stepped up pressure on the United States on Tuesday to agree to a specific timeline to withdraw American forces, a sign of the government's growing confidence as violence falls.


The tough words come as the Bush administration is running out of time to reach a needed troop deal before the U.S. election in November and the president's last months in office. Some type of agreement is required to keep American troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 07:07 am
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The statements of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and National Security Counsellor Muwaffaq Rubaie about the need for a timetable for US troop withdrawal may have an unexpected and significant impact on the US presidential campaign.

On Tuesday, after consultations with Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani in Najaf, Rubaie held a news conference. His remarks suggested that Sistani read him the riot act, demanding that full Iraqi sovereignty be preserved at all costs.

Al-Hayat reports in Arabic that he said, that Baghdad would reject any Status of Forces Agreement or Memorandum of Understanding that did not contain a specific timetable for the withdrawal of foreign troops. He added:


' Today, we are not speaking about a timetable for the foreign presence in Iraq, but rather we are talking about an evacuation of foreign forces from the country . . . But it is very difficult to specify dates that would stick right now for the evacuation of those forces, because the [Iraqi] government talks of its own dates, and the foreigners speak of their dates. So far, no agreement has been reached . . . It is impossible for Iraq to accept any memorandum of agreement that detracts from its sovereignty and independence . . . That is the view both of the government and of the supreme religious authority [Hawzah] . . . The evacuation of American forces has become a clear reality that can be envisioned. . . . We cannot accept the presence of permanent bases in Iraq . . . [but there is] the possibility that there will be camps obedient to Iraqi sovereignty."'


[Note that the US has many Status of Forces Agreements with countries around the world, and none specifies that US troops be under another country's sovereignty or be liable to be tried in that country's courts, and what al-Rubaie is asking for will be unacceptable to Washington.]

On Monday in the United Arab Emirates, al-Maliki himself had said, "The current trend is toward a memorandum of understanding, either for the evacuation of the [foreign] forces or a timetable for their withdrawal."

This is the first time al-Maliki has spoken this way publicly, but it isn't a new idea in his circles. The fundamentalist Shiite United Iraqi Alliance that is al-Maliki's main backer in parliament had originally put a plank in its party platform calling for a timetable for US withdrawal from Iraq back in late 2004, but apparently dropped it at American insistence. Al-Maliki himself was elected in 2006 initially with the backing of the Sadr Movement, which has all along demanded a timetable for US troop withdrawal.

A US military operation in al-Maliki's ancestral village in Karbala province recently left one of his cousins dead. Iraqis complained that the US had not coordinated the operation with them, even though it had formally turned security duties over to the Karbala security forces. Al-Maliki was reportedly furious, and the incident may have been a turning point for him. Many forces in Iraqi society are demanding that US troops not have the prerogative of launching military operations in Iraq without obtaining the permission of Baghdad.

The memorandum of understanding that al-Maliki spoke of would presumably be an agreement signed by the Iraqi prime minister and the US president, cutting out both the Iraqi parliament and the US Congress. Perhaps al-Maliki thinks that a timetable for withdrawal would mollify the members of parliament about their being denied the opportunity to ratify or reject the agreement. If so, he is probably misjudging the mood of parliament. The deputy speaker of parliament, Khalid al-Atiyah, said Tuesday that the parliament is insistent that any agreement with Washington be voted on by the Iraqi legislature. He added that parliament would oppose any text that guaranteed US troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts for any misconduct in which they might engage while in Iraq.

The Obama campaign welcomed al-Maliki's and al-Rubaie's remarks. It also pointed out that McCain had said in 2004 that if the Iraqi government asked the US to withdraw, "it's obvious we would have to leave." Now, McCain's position seems to be that he would like to keep troops in Iraq regardless of what the elected Iraqi government thinks of that.

McCain always had a difficult case to make to the American people about why they needed to expend blood and treasure to stay in Iraq. McCain maintains that it is for their own safety, but polling shows that most people do not buy that argument. Now McCain has to argue for keeping the troops there even though the Iraqi people and even the pro-American prime minister do not want them there.

That position will sound like colonialism to many Americans-- an expensive, sanguinary colonialism that they have to pay for. Individual Americans, including babies, have spent $2,000 each on the Iraq War so far, money a lot of them wish they had back right now (that is $8000 for a family of four.) Between its lack of legitimacy and its cost, they typically don't want it.

Despite the hype about Iraq being "calm," a typical day such as yesterday still looks like this according to Antiwar.com:

"One American servicemember was killed and five others were wounded in separate incidents around Baghdad. In northern Iraq, four Coalition contractors were also killed, but their nationalities are unknown at press time. At least 36 Iraqis were killed or found dead and 28 more were wounded in other attacks. Also, a UN representative reported that one-sixth of Iraq's population has been displaced due to violence."


In contrast, Obama and al-Maliki sound as though they are on the same page. Obama said Monday of al-Maliki, "I think that his statement is consistent with my view about how withdrawals should proceed . . . I think it's encouraging ... that the prime minister himself now acknowledges that in cooperation with Iraq, it's time for American forces to start sending out a timeframe for the withdrawal."

Iraq was originally expected to be the primary issue in the 2008 presidential election. Instead, opinion polls tend to show that it is the second most important issue, after the economy. That second place showing does not justify the decision of corporate television news to deep-six the Iraq story. It is still the number one issue for 25 percent of Americans, which is 75 million people. Moreover, as of last March 71% of Americans thought that the Iraq debacle was part of the reason for the bad economy, so when they name the latter as the most important issue a lot of them are rolling the two issues into one.

So Iraq is still central to the campaign, and people are fooling themselves if they say otherwise. But it isn't playing out as expected.

The major debate that the Republicans were looking forward to having revolved around the success of the troop escalation of 2007-2008, now mostly over. They want to argue that the escalation showed that Iraq is not an unwinnable war and that counter-insurgency techniques could tamp down violence. Therefore, there was no reason for the next president to withdraw US troops. Moreover, McCain argued, if the US withdrew from Iraq, "al-Qaeda" would take over the country and use it as a base to attack the American mainland. A timetable for withdrawal was both unnecessarily defeatist and also highly unwise, they were saying. They completely ignored the political yields expected of the troop escalation, most of which have not materialized, concentrating only on death statistics.

The idea that a tiny fringe terrorist group not popular with even Sunni Arab Iraqis could take over a largely Shiite country with a large Kurdish minority was always daft and that McCain alleged it is already reason to question whether he has the judgment to be president. But even Gen. Mark Hertling, commander of US forces in northern Iraq, is saying that al-Qaeda has been defeated in his area of operations.

'"Defeat means they're not capable of major offensive operations . . . We don't think al Qaeda has that anymore. All the cities that we have in the northern part of Iraq, I think have been secured . . . We're literally in the post-Gettysburg phase of this . . . . We have defeated them in the city. They have dispersed to the desert, now we are pursuing them out into their safe havens: small villages and towns." '


Hertling specifically gave the credit for this victory to a change in the esprit de corps of the Iraqi Army. I have all along maintained that "al-Qaeda in Iraq" was over-hyped and that it would be defeated because it chose a sectarian rather than a nationalist strategy.

So then how likely is it that "al-Qaeda" is going to take over anything substantial in Iraq in the short to medium term, US troops or no US troops? I mean, it was always a silly idea (even if the Shiites and Kurds would not have massacred them, the Turks, Syrians and Jordanians would have). But Hertling's comments underline how silly that scenario is.

By the way, the American public never bought McCain's terror-mongering. In February more thought al-Qaeda was more likely to attack the US if it kept troops in Iraq than if it withdrew. 16 percent thought it made no difference, and altogether 56 percent thought that it was either more dangerous to stay in Iraq than to leave or thought it was a wash. only 38 percent then thought that a withdrawal from Iraq increased the danger of a terror hit on the US.

Given the way the American Right has crafted the narrative of Iraq, as being all about "al-Qaeda," for that organization to disappear from the front pages would be a cruel blow to the McCain campaign. Without it, there is no justification for the US to remain in Iraq.

Almost as bad is for the Iraqi government now to align its position with that of the Obama campaign. McCain increasingly looks like he is stuck in 2007 with regard to Iraq policy, and Obama looks more and more like the man of the future. That conclusion is the opposite of the Right's spin on Obama, but then they have never understood colonialism or what is wrong with it.


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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 10:50 am
The USA must tell Maliki he has exactly two alternatives:

(1) USA troops will remain in Iraq if and only if the government of Iraq shares the revenue for each and every barrel of crude oil lifted from Iraq soil--by whomever they choose to lift it--equally among each and every Iraqi non-murderer.

(2) USA troops will leave Iraq by December 31, 2008, if the government of Iraq fails before August 31, 2008 to share the revenue for each and every barrel of crude oil lifted from Iraq soil, by whomever they choose to lift it, equally among each and every Iraqi non-murderer.[/quote]
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 10:52 am
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The United States on Tuesday rejected a demand from Iraq for a specific date for pullout of US-led foreign troops from the country, saying any withdrawal will be based on conditions on the ground.

"The US government and the government of Iraq are in agreement that we, the US government, we want to withdraw, we will withdraw. However, that decision will be conditions-based," State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos said.

Iraq said on Tuesday it will reject any security pact with the United States unless it sets a date for the pullout of US-led troops.

"We will not accept any memorandum of understanding if it does not give a specific date for a complete withdrawal of foreign troops," national security advisor Muwaffaq al-Rubaie told reporters in the holy city of Najaf.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g0Ixk7OUnUF8gGSy826cwyelBjmA

Ican, would you agree that the Iraqis are asking us to leave at this point? That they are demanding to know when we will leave? And that we should comply with those demands, exactly as we have said all along we would?

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 11:23 am
I'm waiting to hear more song and dance about why we don't have to leave Iraq.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 11:36 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:

...
Ican, would you agree that the Iraqis are asking us to leave at this point? That they are demanding to know when we will leave? And that we should comply with those demands, exactly as we have said all along we would?

Cycloptichorn

I agree that the Iraq government is asking the USA to leave Iraq by a date certain. Since it is their country, it is up to the Iraq government to specify the date certain.

If the Iraq government were to pick December 31, 2008 as their date certain, I think we can and must meet that date.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 11:39 am
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

...
Ican, would you agree that the Iraqis are asking us to leave at this point? That they are demanding to know when we will leave? And that we should comply with those demands, exactly as we have said all along we would?

Cycloptichorn

I agree that the Iraq government is asking the USA to leave Iraq by a date certain. Since it is their country, it is up to the Iraq government to specify the date certain.

If the Iraq government were to pick December 31, 2008 as their date certain, I think we can and must meet that date.


I think that we will not leave. I believe that Bush and the Republicans in power will refuse to leave. I wonder what you and other Republicans will say when this comes about.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 12:35 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

...
Ican, would you agree that the Iraqis are asking us to leave at this point? That they are demanding to know when we will leave? And that we should comply with those demands, exactly as we have said all along we would?

Cycloptichorn

I agree that the Iraq government is asking the USA to leave Iraq by a date certain. Since it is their country, it is up to the Iraq government to specify the date certain.

If the Iraq government were to pick December 31, 2008 as their date certain, I think we can and must meet that date.


I think that we will not leave. I believe that Bush and the Republicans in power will refuse to leave. I wonder what you and other Republicans will say when this comes about.

Cycloptichorn

My problems with the Republicans are huge already. Years ago I stopped being a Republican.

If Bush et al do not agree to leave Iraq by a date (on or after 12/31/2008) specified by the Iraq government, my disgust with the Republicans will easily grow to match or even exceed my disgust with the Democrats, and I will repeatedly say so.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 05:37 pm
I wish and earnestly hope the uninvited compassionate comrades leave Iraq before Christmas.

Enough is enough.

Rama fuchs
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2008 06:42 am
If Bush is anything like McCain he will simply say that Iraq is not really asking for a timetable thereby getting out of the whole situation. On the face of it; it is a stupid thing to say, but more dumb spins than that have been spun by this crowd and 30% or so people brought (or simply accepted) into it and agrue it on forums such as this one and out in the real world.

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So how will John McCain square his strident and long-standing opposition to a timeline for withdrawal with the Iraqi government's demand for a timeline for withdrawal? McCain has found a way: Simply deny that the Iraqis have said what the Iraqis have in fact said. From an interview yesterday with the Pittsburgh Tribune:

QUESTION: Senator, with Iraqi leaders now calling for a timetable for U.S. troop withdrawals …

MCCAIN: Actually the Iraqis are not, the Iraqis widely reported as short a time ago as a couple of weeks ago that there would be no status of forces agreement, and Maliki would say that, and it got headlines, and of course it turned out not to be true.

I'll admit, I didn't see the "completely deny everything" approach coming.

In regard to Maliki's statements about the status of forces agreement, what Maliki actually said was that negotiations over the agreement had "reached a dead end" because U.S. demands "violate[d] Iraqi sovereignty." This was part of the bargaining process, and the headlines "turned out not to be true" only in the sense that the tactic worked, the U.S. eventually gave Maliki more of what he wanted, and thus the negotiations continue.

While it's clear that Maliki and other members of the Green Zone elite prefer a continued U.S. military presence (in the short term to support their shaping of the the electoral environment so as to prevent losing power to disfavored parties like the Sadrists and the Awakenings in the upcoming provincial elections, and in the medium term to continue training and advising Iraqi security forces), the fact is that a majority of Iraqis has long opposed the U.S. presence in their country. As Adam Blickstein notes, this is itself a rather significant "fact on the ground" that McCain and other war supporters have consistently ignored as they seek to implement their vision for Iraq's future, but not one that Iraq's government can afford to.


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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2008 09:26 am
Hey Bush, why not tell your buddy Maliki:
Fail to establish by 8/31/2008 a uniform distribution of Iraq profits to the Iraqi people from Iraq crude oil, and we're outa here by 12/31/2008.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2008 10:47 am
ican711nm wrote:
Hey Bush, why not tell your buddy Maliki:
Fail to establish by 8/31/2008 a uniform distribution of Iraq profits to the Iraqi people from Iraq crude oil, and we're outa here by 12/31/2008.


But, Bush doesn't want to leave. Surely you understand this?

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2008 11:00 am
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/lb0711cd.jpg
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2008 12:01 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Hey Bush, why not tell your buddy Maliki:
Fail to establish by 8/31/2008 a uniform distribution of Iraq profits to the Iraqi people from Iraq crude oil, and we're outa here by 12/31/2008.


But, Bush doesn't want to leave. Surely you understand this?

Cycloptichorn

Bush has frequently declared the USA military will leave Iraq when the government of Iraq asks us to.

Is he stating what he truly believes or is he lying?

I don't have any evidence he's lying about that. Until I have such evidence I'll believe he is not lying.

On the otherhand you have provided a preponderance of evidence that either you do not know what you are talking about or you are a fraud.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2008 12:07 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Hey Bush, why not tell your buddy Maliki:
Fail to establish by 8/31/2008 a uniform distribution of Iraq profits to the Iraqi people from Iraq crude oil, and we're outa here by 12/31/2008.


But, Bush doesn't want to leave. Surely you understand this?

Cycloptichorn

Bush has frequently declared the USA military will leave Iraq when the government of Iraq asks us to.

Is he stating what he truly believes or is he lying?

I don't have any evidence he's lying about that. Until I have such evidence I'll believe he is not lying.

On the otherhand you have provided a preponderance of evidence that either you do not know what you are talking about or you are a fraud.


Well, we'll have to wait and see.

But I am highly skeptical that the Right Wing of America, whose leadership sits in the WH, is looking to leave Iraq any time soon, whether they ask or not. After all, we have Interests to Protect, right?

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jul, 2008 12:34 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Hey Bush, why not tell your buddy Maliki:
Fail to establish by 8/31/2008 a uniform distribution of Iraq profits to the Iraqi people from Iraq crude oil, and we're outa here by 12/31/2008.


But, Bush doesn't want to leave. Surely you understand this?

Cycloptichorn

Bush has frequently declared the USA military will leave Iraq when the government of Iraq asks us to.

Is he stating what he truly believes or is he lying?

I don't have any evidence he's lying about that. Until I have such evidence I'll believe he is not lying.

On the otherhand you have provided a preponderance of evidence that either you do not know what you are talking about or you are a fraud.


Well, we'll have to wait and see.

But I am highly skeptical that the Right Wing of America, whose leadership sits in the WH, is looking to leave Iraq any time soon, whether they ask or not. After all, we have Interests to Protect, right?

Cycloptichorn

Wrong!

Now our interests are best protected by the Iraq government asking us to leave and our leaving.
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