THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Never met or read soro; your fixation is a sickness.

You have knowingly or unknowingly read that which was financed by soros and have been duped by it. That is obvious from what you post. That which you post is harmonious with the Soros financed, Sorosaian propaganda.

What you post is harmonious with Fox /Murdoch so by your own logic you are duped by them.

Oh, Soros finances those sources somewhat like the US finances the war in Iraq that ends up killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. How dangerous of Soros!

"It isn't easy to bring them back," Othman said.

Baathists may not be willing to confess their former affiliations or crimes in exchange for a pension or job from the Shiite-led government, he explained.

"I doubt there is going to be much trust in the beginning for those people to come back," Gilly said. "We still lack many mechanisms to reintegrate them."

Despite the apparent unanimity of support, the measure actually squeaked through in a session that barely made quorum. The Iraqi Accordance Front was split; the party withdrew from the government in 2007 with a list of demands that included easing restrictions on Baath Party members. Iraqi Vice President Tariq al Hashemi's Iraqi Islamic Party voted, but two other parties walked out in protest. Followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al Sadr banged their desks and walked out when the bill was introduced in December, but remained in their seats on Saturday.

"(The law) may help bring back the Islamic Party (the largest Sunni political party) to the government and pave the road for reconciliation," Othman said.

But some members said the new law doesn't go far enough to help reconciliation and that former Baath Party members won't support a law that doesn't acknowledge their political views.

Saleh al Mutlaq, head of Iraqi Front for National Dialogue, said the government should end de-Baathification and deal with wrongdoers through the court system, regardless of party.

"Justice should be for everybody, accountability should be for everybody," he said. "You can not make the accountability only for Baathists."

Mutlaq said legislators who passed the law are more interested in appeasing U.S. officials using the law as a benchmark for political progress than reconciliation among Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.

"They want to give the impression they're working on reconciliation," Mutlaq said. "They're bluffing themselves and the Americans by telling others they've done something."

Rama, This is what happens when people look at Iraq with myopic eyes. They see a reduction in violence and expand that into more than what it really is; they ignore what divides Iraq more than the surface "progress."

They'll never understand why we must leave Iraq in short order. Rather, they would prefer to "stay the course" that only inflicts more dead and maimed, more Iraqi orphans, more starvation, and more of the middle east unsettled. The repair will take much longer for Bush's stubbornness.

foxfire wrote :

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Whether it is in Israel or in Iraq or anyplace else in the world, those who fire rockets indiscriminately into civilian neighborhoods hoping to hit any man, woman, or child who might be there are terrorists, and they deserve to be annilihated.

you may want to be somewhat careful with your remarks !
do you believe that bombs dropped by an airplane from 10,000 to 30,000 feet above ground are ONLY dropped on soldiers and terroristss and NEVER on innocent women and children ?

if you think they never hit innocent women and children , let me know and i can give you my personal experience !
hbg

hamburger wrote:

foxfire wrote :

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Whether it is in Israel or in Iraq or anyplace else in the world, those who fire rockets indiscriminately into civilian neighborhoods hoping to hit any man, woman, or child who might be there are terrorists, and they deserve to be annilihated.

you may want to be somewhat careful with your remarks !
do you believe that bombs dropped by an airplane from 10,000 to 30,000 feet above ground are ONLY dropped on soldiers and terroristss and NEVER on innocent women and children ?

if you think they never hit innocent women and children , let me know and i can give you my personal experience !
hbg

I have been consistent and have frequently posted that the most glaring obscenity of war is that innocent men, women, and children always die. But the most passionate pacifist who is the least bit intellectually honest will acknowledge that there is a huge difference ibetween dropping bombs on strategic military targets with the intention of taking out those targets and in exploding bombs or firing rockets for the express purpose of killing innocent men, women, and children. In both cases the innocent are at risk. In only one case, however, are the innocent targeted.

Perhaps you should read what I said here about that a bit more carefully?

Trying to rationalize the killing of innocents based on 'TARGET" is irrational and unethical. One doesn't justify the other no matter how it's rationalized.

It's unethical and inhumane.

If you truly believe you have a responsibility to stop inhumane acts on this planet, good luck! You can start with the many countries of Africa; then there are other places in the world where women are still treated like possessions rather than humans. Like I said, good luck.

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