FBM
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2015 10:41 pm
These days, I try not to think any more than necessary, but I had a thought on the bus ride yesterday:

Members of the rest of the animal kingdom are free to migrate, roam, meander, swim, fly, crawl, burrow or whatever wherever and whenever they feel like going. Being born as H. sapiens, on the other hand, means your freedom to travel is immediately restricted. We have to get permission to cross imaginary national boundaries. And that permission is routinely denied to a very large number of people.

Seems to me that freedom to travel around the planet as an equal to every other member of the ecosystem is a natural (tempted to say 'inalienable,' but it's already been alienated) right.

Yeah, I know about the practicalities of national security and whatnot, but still. Dammit, am I not an animal?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 05:31 am
@FBM,
I feel the same way. I think the big powers keep a lot of this **** stirred up, in the cause of profit and whatever else the hell they think they need.
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 06:18 am
@edgarblythe,
Power lust. Self-aggrandization through political control over the masses. It's time to rise up, I say. Any of us should be as free as the common migratory bird or seafaring creature to wander as we see fit, regardless of longitude or latitude. Grr.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 12:50 pm
@FBM,
Agreed.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 04:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I bought one in XL size that was too tight on my leg. The two I have now are a different brand. Same size, but comfortable. If you decide to buy any I will let you know which they are. The comfortable ones came from Target. The others were from Academy.



Noticing any difference in your knee yet? If so, do you think it is just the wrap or the addition of the copper that is helping?

I'm interested in knowing if the whole copper infused braces and wraps thing is just the latest get rich gimmick or if it really makes a difference.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 04:36 pm
@Butrflynet,
Let me finish out the week using them. I am still testing them out.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 04:42 pm
@Butrflynet,
These wraps with copper infused strands is a gimmick. Try it out for free but I doubt you'll experience help other than placebo effect . I don't see the real science behind it. However I do see and feel the use of magnets is helpful. This, however, has no magnetic field.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 04:44 pm
@Ragman,
You may well be right, ragman. I have benefited for years from silver, so I was curious about copper.
Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 05:48 pm
@edgarblythe,
however the silver (colloidal?) you used you ingested. The copper is stranded and touches the surface of your skin, right? That isn't to say that placebo effect can't be helpful also. However, I'm pretty skeptical that this copper strands has any real merit.

FWIW, my ex-wife, a holistic practitioner and an alternative medicine therapist... used to do this polarity activity...that used 100% copper bracelets and amulets. That I had a little bit of faith in but as for these elastic with copper strands ..nawwwwww...sorry.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 05:51 pm
@Ragman,
Well, I will tell you what happens this week.
Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 05:53 pm
@edgarblythe,
As you know, I wish for you the best possible result. I imagine that the elastic support will feel supportive around your knees.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 05:59 pm
Nods with Ragman.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 06:56 pm
I don't consider myself susceptible to placebo effect. I experiment with lots of products because I want to see for myself what does and doesn't work. Sometimes, I can't afford to follow to the natural conclusion, as with apricot kernels, because I don't have that kind of money. About a year or so ago, I started experimenting with black seed oil, because users proclaim many benefits. But, then I discovered that what they sell the general public is a very close relative of the actual seed that built that reputation and poured the whole of it down the sink. When Greg Caton's black salve became unavailable, I bought a salve that was advertised to have the same ingredients. The first day of application, I thought the sensation from it was the correct one. But, by morning, I realized I had been had. Turns out the ingredients to activate it were totally left out. I still have that jar of phony salve, so that I can publicly call the man a cheat and back it up if he ever challenges me. Fortunately, Caton's salve is once again available.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 11:06 pm
I was reading about colloidal copper. I don't think I will experiment with it. The site I was on had generators for copper, silver and a few other metals. Some of those generators are $2000.
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http://www.metaphysicaldirectory.org/articles/article-2.html
Copper On Skin - Scientific Facts - "Copper, when in contact with the skin, form chelates with human sweat (sometimes seen as a green deposit under the bracelet or ring) and is thus absorbed through the skin. Think of a bracelet as a 'time-release' source of copper." Dr. Ray Walker, Univ. of Newcastle, Australia. - "Copper compounds are more effective and less toxic than drugs being used to treat arthritis." Dr. John Sorenson, Univ. of Arkansas. Copper On Skin - Historical Data - "Treat inflammation with pulverized copper." From the Eber Papyrus, one of the world's oldest medical texts. - In medieval Europe the famous physician Paracelsus prescribed copper and brass bracelets to treat the "bad mixture of bodily humors." They continued to be widely used in Europe until early this century to promote physical and mental health and to increase male potency (coincidentally a relation between copper deficiency and sterility in cattle has been recently reported). - In 1939, the German physician Werner Hangarter, reported that Finnish copper miners were free of arthritis in spite of rheumatism being a widespread disease in Finland. He proceeded to successfully treat rheumatoid arthritis, neck and back problems with copper compounds. But interest in copper treatments became dormant after WWII, which coincided with the introduction of corticoids, initially hailed as "wonder drugs" until their side effects became better known. Copper On Skin - Some new questions - Arthritis is the number one crippling disease in America. The American Arthritis Foundation calls copper bracelets an "unproven remedy." There is overwhelming circumstantial evidence to warrant clinical trials by the Food & Drug Administration to prove or disprove the therapeutic effects of wearing copper. Having at stake the potential discovery of a new treatment for arthritis, why are those tests not being done? - In the developing world, where people cannot afford expensive drugs, copper bracelets are sold by pharmacists as the treatment of choice for aches and pains. But doctors in the USA are legally prevented from suggesting copper and prescribe drugs instead. As a result of this practice, arthritis sufferers in America often spend more on pain pills than on nutritious food. All those pills have fueled a multi-billion dollar industry for which a copper treatment approved by the FDA would be bad news. Could it be that in their efforts to preserve market share these powerful drug companies are somehow diminishing our resolve to complete the testing of this natural and affordable alternative? Adapted by Isidro Nilsson with permission from Sergio Lub's article of September 1996 [email protected] - 360-653-6857
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 08:38 am
Here are testimonials by people who use the same knee braces I am using.
http://www.amazon.com/Copper-Fit-Infused-Sleeve-X-Large/product-reviews/B00KYU40CU

I have to clarify that my knees do not have that constant pain we hear about. They suffer most from over use and abuse. I can go a few weeks with them not being much of a bother. But my job keeps me running and climbing at top speed and sometimes my projects around the house cause me to have a bit of trouble. I bought the XL size, because I have naturally big legs, and they fit fairly comfortably, without slipping. So I don't think arthritis is my major concern. I am going to keep them on for about a month and then decide if I should use them more.
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 08:50 am
@edgarblythe,
I went to the link and just read the reviews. What I find interesting is that the most popular negative review said that they don't seem to stay in place for the woman's hubby. Perhaps XLG size could be an issue. Who knows?!

Either way I wish you luck and success with it.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 08:55 am
@Ragman,
I don't get that response. If slipping is the only problem, he should try a smaller size.
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 08:56 am
@edgarblythe,
yup. correct.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 10:50 pm
I almost missed the end of The Mentalist. Not knowing it was a two hour series finale, I watched the first half and then left the room. Got back in time to see them catch the serial killer and get married at practically the same time. At the very end she let it out that she is pregnant.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2015 10:15 pm
Watched the series finale of Two and Half Men. Total waste, like the last four years. I don't blame the actors, but the producers and writers. No wonder Jake bombed out.

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