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CHIRAC, SARKOZY The French Right prepares for presidentials

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 06:55 am
A typical mean-spirited French retort! Clearly the spirit of Chirac lives on! Cool

The truth is I have seriously mixed feelings about GW. I have little sympathy for, or confidence in, most of his critics, however he has made some profound misjudgements and misalliances.
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 07:02 am
georgeob1 wrote:
A typical mean-spirited French retort! Clearly the spirit of Chirac lives on! Cool

The truth is I have seriously mixed feelings about GW. I have little sympathy for, or confidence in, most of his critics, however he has made some profound misjudgements and misalliances.


A typical mean-spirited American republican retort! Clearly the spirit of Bush lives on! Cool..

The truth is I have seriously mixed feelings about Sarko. I have little sympathy for, or confidence in, most of his critics, however he has made some profound misjudgements and misalliances...

Anything else?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 08:50 am
Well I suppose I deserved that -- but I don't think it is fair to blame the country for my defects. :wink:
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 09:43 am
Blaming the country?

You're far from candid making such assertion, you just want to show me as an anti-american, don't you George?

But, maybe to your despair, I'm not. God blame bless America!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 09:59 am
Not at all. I was being (or attemopting to be) ironic and self-deprecating. Apparently it didn't work.
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 10:35 am
You mean I know how to counter your attempts to irony? Twisted Evil
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 10:44 am
:wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 11:43 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Not at all. I was being (or attemopting to be) ironic and self-deprecating. Apparently it didn't work.
well as someone with almost the same first language as George, I have to come to his defenCe here.

Too many Americans think irony is only used by those pesky I-ronians, but George isnt one.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 12:15 pm
Thank you Steve.

Francis got me on the last exchange. I thought he was sore because I had inadvertantly offended him. Now I find he just claims to have outsmarted me. Goddam French. Perhaps Sarko won't be enough!
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2007 05:18 pm
The editorial Walter posted already summarised much of this, but as I had to make the following summaries anyway I might as well post them here too.

I <grinds teeth> have to admit <scowls> that Sarkozy is making some.. is making some.. <suppresses nervous tic> is making some laudable first moves.

All summaries below mine.

Quote:
Women get half the jobs in Sarkozy's new government
Expatica
May 18, 2007

Summary:

France joined a small club of countries - Chile, Finland, Spain and Sweden - that have embraced gender parity in government, as President Sarkozy named a government of seven women and eight men.

Female appointees include the first woman of North African origin to hold a government post, a high-flying corporate lawyer, a staunch feminist who championed same-sex unions, and a fervent Catholic pro-life and anti-poverty campaigner who advocated against that law.


Quote:
Sarkozy names woman with North African roots to senior post in cabinet
Canada.com
May 19, 2007

Summary:

Rachida Dati, one of 12 children of a mother with Moroccan roots and a father of Algerian background, was named justice minister in France's new cabinet.

She was one of seven women ministers appointed by Sarkozy in a clear break with convention: women here did not get the vote until 1944 and only 14% of the national legislature is female.

The conservative Sarkozy also poached from rival parties, appointing the popular Socialist and humanitarian crusader Bernard Kouchner as foreign minister.
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Quote:
Profile: Rachida Dati
BBC News
18 May 2007

Summary:

Rachida Dati, named as French justice minister by President Sarkozy, is the first person of North African origin to hold a top government post in Paris.

She was one of 12 children born to a Moroccan mason father and an Algerian mother, and raised in humble circumstances. Working by day, learning by night, she gained degrees in both economics and law.

As Nicolas Sarkozy's adviser on immigration, she has played an important role in dealing with the delicate issue of integration.


And to just throw in one that I dont just applaud, but that I know has the added benefit that it will be eyed disapprovingly by US conservatives (George?):

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France to draft law against 'golden handshakes'

The International News
2007-05-20

Summary:

"I hope we will be able to outlaw the practice of golden handshakes" compensating top executives when they step down, new French President Sarkozy has told trade union representatives, referring specifically to companies in which the state is a shareholder.

"A company that has the state as a shareholder must respect more marked ethical rules than others," he said. The measure would be part of a draft "ethics and morality" law.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2007 01:07 pm
On the other hand, after that bit of praise for Sarkozy's first moves, I'm going through some backlog now and found these snippets -- it's not like there's not still lots to fear.

(Summaries mine.)

Quote:
Riots Plague Paris as Sarkozy Turns to Tasks Ahead

Spiegel Online
May 08, 2007

France experienced another night of riots and demonstrations in reaction to Sarkozy's election, while the new President faces having to prepare for parliamentary elections and battle with trade unions. He plans to hold a summit with social partners after taking office, to discuss planned reforms that include cutting taxes, loosening labor laws, dumping the 35-hour work week, cutting back on public services and curbing union powers.


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Sarkozy Threat to France: Ex-minister

18 April 2007
Turkish Weekly

Presidential candidate Nicolas Sarkozy poses a threat to national unity because he cozies up to the far-right and has a tough-as-nails attitude towards immigrants and minorities, said France's first ever minister of Arab background, Azouz Begag. In his new book, Begag revealed that when he criticized Sarkozy's "military" style immigrant policy, Sarkozy yelled at him on the telephone, "You're an ass.hole, a disloyal bastard! I'm going to smash your face."
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2007 05:11 pm
The French Left, meanwhile, has succumbed to ranting and backbiting.

Here's Claude Allègre, former minister of education in the Jospin government: François Hollande, the party's leader, "has taken us for imbeciles". He has preferred to "surround himself with incompetent schemers".

There's also Dominique Strauss-Kahn - the man whose aides tried to keep Paris's popular socialist mayor Bertrand Delanoe off the TV screens on election night so that only "DSK" would appear as the obvious alternative to Segolene Royal. Soon afterwards, he rushed to declare Hollande the one who carried "the principal responsability" for the party's defeat. "The Socialist Party has been incapable of renewing itself since 2002," the long-time party 'elephant' said accusingly.

Segolene Royal, of course, did significantly better in her presidential run than Jospin did in 2002, when he didnt even get into the second round. She also received the same share of vote as Jospin did in 1995, but at a much higher turnout, meaning she got about two and a half million more votes. Moreover, as a magnificently complicated map in Le Monde of 9 May showed, Royal beat Sarkozy in 65 districts that in the last parliamentary elections had gone to the right, while, vice versa, Sarkozy beat Royal only in 38 districts that had gone to the left. So compared to the last legislative elections Royal improved the Socialist score too.

This is not on the mind of DSK, who had wanted to run for president himself but was soundly defeated by Segolene in the primaries. Overlooking Sego's results, he sighs, "When one arrives at suffering a defeat like the one we've seen, there is obviously a crisis."

It'd started earlier still, of course. The day Le Monde was still publishing intricate election maps, Martine Aubry, socialist mayor of Lille, insisted that "there will be no war of the leaders" in the Socialist Party, before snipping away at the question whether the defeat wasn't a failure of leadership: "We chose our candidate. We knew her and she was consistent with who she is. She chose her style, her priorities, and her ideas, which are sometimes at a discrepancy with some of ours, sometimes in line with society. She was our candidate and we had to respect her."

In case that didnt make her attempt to put Sego in her place clear enough, Aubry continued, "Today, Segolene Royal is clearly one of the persons in charge of the Socialist Party, like others who have expressed themselves. If you agree with saying that the responsability [for the defeat] was not hers, but a collective one, then she also has to accept, and she will, to be around the table with [the rest of] us" about the future course of the party. "Segolene is now one leader among others in the Socialist Party."

Ouch.

Not to worry, the Socialists arent alone in tearing themselves up. UDF presidential candidate Francois Bayrou has created his new Democratic Movement (MoDem), as noted here before, but had to do so without the lions share of the UDF's members of parliament, who massively deserted to Sarkozy's camp.

On the other hand, the MoDem has been joined by over 20 of the Green Party's officials, as those are leaving their party en masse after their presidential candidate's ignonimous first round score.

The Green Member of European Parliament (and the party's former national secretary) Jean-Luc Bennahmias has gone over. So have the deputy mayor of Paris Danièle Auffray, and the two Paris city councillors Olivier Pagès and Violette Baranda. Like seven other ecologists who were elected into office for the Green Party in the past, they will stand as MoDem candidates in the upcoming parliamentary elections - and are branded "felons" for it in the Greens' HQ.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 26 May, 2007 07:39 pm
I suspect Sarkozy will do quite well in the coming parliamentary elections. Bayrou's attempt to create a modestly powerful centrist party doesn't appear to have real legs, and the socialists are struggling to deal with the inevitable post-defeat bickering and maneuvering for internal position among potential successors.

The civil disorders noted above and even the reports of intemperate treatment of opponents by the victorious Sarkozy appear from this somewhat distant perspective to be merely ordinary events, hardly indicative of a significant change in anything.

Perhaps the most telling feature of the present political scene in France is the disarray among the Socialists and the failure of any alternative opposition forces to coalesce.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 12:02 am
Bayrou's party only got 15% in some recent polls.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 02:09 am
George - I marvel at your usually acute sight of French internal politics.

It makes it even more regretful when you blind yourself with "right/liberal prejudices"...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 02:34 am
Joyeuses Pentecôte, Francis! :wink:
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 02:36 am
Merci, Walter, toi aussi! Very Happy
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 07:27 am
georgeob1 wrote:
I suspect Sarkozy will do quite well in the coming parliamentary elections. Bayrou's attempt to create a modestly powerful centrist party doesn't appear to have real legs, and the socialists are struggling to deal with the inevitable post-defeat bickering and maneuvering for internal position among potential successors. [..]

Perhaps the most telling feature of the present political scene in France is the disarray among the Socialists and the failure of any alternative opposition forces to coalesce.

Sounds about right. <sighs>
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 02:16 pm
Francis wrote:
George - I marvel at your usually acute sight of French internal politics.

It makes it even more regretful when you blind yourself with "right/liberal prejudices"...


Goddam Frenchmen - just can't let themselves respond positively without some negative overtones or riposte. Razz The hell of it is, I even like Francis.

What "right/liberal prejudices" ?? I'll confess to sympathy with the point of view that Sarkozy brought to the issues. I'll also acknowledge that I believe the Socialists appear to be unwilling to face the contradictions that have arisen in an otherwise successful social/economic program. Sustained excesses in welfare programs and labor market regulation have had their usual side effects, and they have spilled over into other social areas, including the assimilation of immigrants. These are serious issues if they are left to continue, but readily managed if they are addressed directly.

These are no worse than the internal contradictions often faced by other modern countries. I'm confident that - even in spite of their surly tempers - the French will overcome them.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 06:59 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Goddam Frenchmen - just can't let themselves respond positively without some negative overtones or riposte. Razz The hell of it is, I even like Francis.

Hey, you just had two of us Euros say that you'd gotten the situation right. I'd count my blessings if I were you Twisted Evil
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