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Well, they didn't start the thread :Advocate did. Their commentary was useful in that they bring a different perspective to the issue.

However, I agree we could do without their moralistic judgements, as I suppose they can do without ours.

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Well, spme years ago I've already wondered why this side was comsidered by it's owner and creator to be an international board.

I suppose, we foreigners should really not commend about the USA and their topics.

As the USA stays out of any problems in the world outside the USA (yes, there is a world outside the USA!!!).

Bye-bye!

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Cancer Care for Children at St. Jude's Hospital ( USA)

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All patients accepted for treatment at St. Jude are treated without regard to the family's ability to pay. St. Jude covers all costs of treatment at St. Jude beyond those reimbursed by third-party insurers, and total costs at St. Jude when no insurance is available. St. Jude also provides assistance with transportation costs and local living expenses during treatments

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Jimmy Fund Clinic of the Dana Farber Cancer Center
Boston , Ma USA

Pediatric Resource Program

For many families, the stress and hardship of a child's cancer diagnosis is intensified by financial burden. Finances are strained by lost income, as parents often must go on unpaid leave, reduce work hours, or even leave their jobs in order to provide care and support during their child's illness. At the same time, there are new out-of-pocket expenses related to the child's care that are not covered by health insurance. Many families soon find it difficult to meet such basic and important expenses as copayments for their children's prescriptions, groceries, gasoline for frequent trips to and from Boston, and meals during extended stays at the hospital.

As part of Dana-Farber's commitment to "total patient care," our families have the opportunity to meet with a Jimmy Fund Clinic resource specialist to discuss their needs and identify potential assistance. This assistance can include grocery & pharmacy gift cards, prepaid telephone and gas cards, as well as gift certificates to the local hospital food court. These cards are used to provide direct and immediate support to patients and families in need. Our families use the words "lifesaver" and "Godsend" to describe this assistance.

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Isn't it inconsistent that Bush promotes "No Child Left Behind," but ignores the seven million children without health insurance?

There have been many questions about the success of his "educational" program, but we know for sure that his concern for children isn't it.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, spme years ago I've already wondered why this side was comsidered by it's owner and creator to be an international board.

I suppose, we foreigners should really not commend about the USA and their topics.

As the USA stays out of any problems in the world outside the USA (yes, there is a world outside the USA!!!).

Bye-bye!

Not so fast, Walter. Perhaps to clarify, if anecdotal evidence is worth anything at all, I have never seen anyone during my entire life, either as an acquaintance or an acquaintance of an acquaintance ever go without adequate health care here in the good ole U.S.A. So, yes, I admit to being a little touchy in terms of criticism of our health care system, as I think it is very good. I have personal friends and relatives as doctors and nurses and I am personally familiar with what they do and how they do it. Not that there are not problems, and I have seen some people deal with horrendous bills, but those have been worked out over time. I do think the system needs some revision, but I am not ready to throw out the baby with the bath water. I am one that believes firmly in the American way, that way having the individuals run their own lives and personal affairs with as little government interference as possible. Part of what freedom is about is personal responsibility. And when people are not responsible or not able to afford to pay for health care or insurance out of their own pocket, there are already programs in place to take care of that, which are not totally different than how nationalized health care would be for everyone. Our system is sort of a combination. I prefer that over a national system where you just get what they give you without as much choice.

So I appreciate your opinion, continue to give it, but please recognize that our system cannot be entirely judged according to some statistic fed you by some liberal think tank. There are many ways to look at this, and those of us that live here have opinions that should count. If I began to tell you how rotten your system was in Germany, without having lived there or even visited, how would you react?

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Our system isn't good at all .... now.

You see, okie, I've passed the examination as "specialised in health care". (besides other, and already generations ago).
I've written one of my major exams in comapring the history of health insurance systems.
And I've lived more than 58 years surrounded by doctors, medical professions and insurance managers.

So I do think, I've got some anecdotical knowledge as well - even about the US-system, where my wife's BIL led the US-brach of his (German) insurance company for some time.

But it really seems to better to follow your kind advice:

okie wrote:

I figure if they are happy with theirs, then great, but leave mine alone.

Nice to have met you.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Isn't it inconsistent that Bush promotes "No Child Left Behind," but ignores the seven million children without health insurance?

There have been many questions about the success of his "educational" program, but we know for sure that his concern for children isn't it.

Maybe a good question is who are these children, do they even exist, and if they do, do their parents even care about them first before we ask if Bush cares about them? Another question, is the State responsible for taking care of every single person without anybody lifting a finger to help themselves? Darn it, I guess my ole momma was wrong when she told me to get out there and do somethin worthwhile.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Our system isn't good at all .... now.
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Perhaps I haven't read your posts well enough, but that statement seems rather surprising. Why isn't it good now? What are the ROOT causes? I'm not interested in the symptoms, but instead what is causing the symptoms.

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okie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Isn't it inconsistent that Bush promotes "No Child Left Behind," but ignores the seven million children without health insurance?

There have been many questions about the success of his "educational" program, but we know for sure that his concern for children isn't it.

Maybe a good question is who are these children, do they even exist, and if they do, do their parents even care about them first before we ask if Bush cares about them? Another question, is the State responsible for taking care of every single person without anybody lifting a finger to help themselves? Darn it, I guess my ole momma was wrong when she told me to get out there and do something worthwhile.

I'm guessing ignorance is a life-long malady.

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okie wrote:

Maybe a good question is who are these children, do they even exist, and if they do, do their parents even care about them first

You are very good at ignoring data when it contradicts your ideology, okie. I'll have to grant you that.

So, well, the US Department of Health seems to believe they exist:

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Children may receive health coverage through a number of sources, including private insurance, either employer-based or purchased directly, and public programs, such as Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). Eligibility for public programs is based on a family's income compared to the Federal poverty level. Every State has SCHIP programs that help expand coverage to children who would otherwise be uninsured. Despite the progress achieved through public programs, approximately 8.3 million children remain uninsured in the United States.

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Do you think they made the numbers up? Or that the US Department of Health and Human Services gets its numbers from some leftwing think tank?

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Until I see the information behind the numbers, yes, I am skeptical, especially when accompanied by the admission that programs are available in virtually any situation. I think it has already been brought up about illegals and other problems with the statistics. For children of parents that can afford insurance but don't buy it, and for children of parents that can't afford it but qualify for other programs like Medicaid, but don't go sign up, are we supposed to now go find those people and lead them by the hand down to wherever they need to go to sign up or get insurance? I thought parents had a responsibility for their children?

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okie wrote:

Until I see the information behind the numbers, yes, I am skeptical, especially when accompanied by the admission that programs are available in virtually any situation.

You're sceptical about the numbers published by the US Department of Health and Human Services - but numbers cited by a blogger about specialised care beds in the UK convince you that the British system is underperforming?

Do you think your ideology gets in the way of a critical analysis every now and then?

okie wrote:

I think it has already been brought up about illegals and other problems with the statistics. For children of parents that can afford insurance but don't buy it, and for children of parents that can't afford it but qualify for other programs like Medicaid, but don't go sign up, are we supposed to now go find those people and lead them by the hand down to wherever they need to go to sign up or get insurance? I thought parents had a responsibility for their children?

So if children get no health care when they need it, it's sufficient to blame the parents and be done with it? Society has no responsibility? Does the same go for child abuse? Should we just say "Blimey, I thought parents had a responsibility for their children?"

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MISSION STATEMENT OF SHRINERS HOSPITALS FOR CHILDREN

Mission Statement

It is the mission of Shriners Hospitals for Children to:

* Provide the highest quality care to children with neuromusculoskeletal conditions, burn injuries and certain other special health care needs within a compassionate, family-centered and collaborative care environment.

* Provide for the education of physicians and other health care professionals

* Conduct research to discover new knowledge that improves the quality of life of children and families.

This mission is carried out without cost to the patient or family and without regard to financial need or relationship to a Shriner

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This mission is carried out without cost to the patient or family

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Miller wrote:

This mission is carried out without cost to the patient or family and without regard to financial need or relationship to a Shriner

How many children are treated at a Shriner across the United States?

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God bless America!
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old europe wrote:

How many children are treated at a Shriner across the United States?

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I like this surreal style of having a discussion. :wink:

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old europe wrote:

Miller wrote:
This mission is carried out without cost to the patient or family and without regard to financial need or relationship to a Shriner

How many children are treated at a Shriner across the United States?

5 seconds on google provided:

In 2006, Shriners Hospitals approved 38,984 new patient applications, attended to the needs of 128,578 patients and provided the following:

* 251,461 radiology procedures
* 296,859 outpatient, outreach and telemedicine visits
* 61,103 orthotic and prosthetic devices
* 24,609 surgical procedures
* 412,387 physical therapy treatments
* 181,174 occupational therapy treatments

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