IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

@hawkeye10,

These are some of those obvious facts that is being missed by okie et al. That's because they have no memory of our history; they believe all the problems in our country were created by Obama.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye, I am the adult. It is the liberals, starting with Obama, that live in denial. Obama makes these grand pronouncements, a couple of examples among many being no lobbyists, not signing any bill that adds a dime to the deficit, on and on, and I merely point out how ridiculous those claims are. The problem solving capability and methods in Washington are totally broken, I agree with that, but adults can point this out. I cannot help it if his supporters don't like what I say, but I am merely pointing out the obvious. I understand that I repeat the stuff over and over, but sheesh, there are alot of people that simply are not facing the truth, and so it bears repeating.

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Fact of the matter is that millions of unemployed will lose their health insurance under COBRA:

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U.S. unemployed face higher healthcare premiums

Reuters - 5 days ago
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Millions of unemployed U.S. workers face sharply higher Health Insurance premiums and loss of coverage as temporary federal Subsidies expire, a healthcare advocacy group said on Tuesday. With the U.S. Unemployment rate topping 10 percent, FamiliesUSA is urging Congress to extend a measure that helps laid-off workers maintain employer-sponsored Health coverage with a 65 percent subsidy on their Insurance premiums. A report released by the group on Tuesday said without the... Read full story at Reuters

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@cicerone imposter,

The act of the matter is that millions of Americans will suffer from inadequate services under Obama care.
Obama care can and will make health care in America worse than ever before.
More people will die under Obama care than without it.

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An internal revolt at the Business Roundtable over support for ObamaCare.

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@okie,

The only person in denial is you, okie. This great recession started during Bush's watch, December of 2007. If you bother to look at facts, you'll also learn that job losses were exceeding over a half million for several months soon after Bush left office before it was slowed down enough through what most economists claim was the result of the first TARP approved during Bush's last year in office. Yes, that was a republican administration that approved TARP.

You are also ignorant about what the stimulus plan is all about; most of the monies have not been spent, and a good portion of the stim bill is to fund extended benefits for those who have lost jobs to shelter and feed those families.

You are an idiot.

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@H2O MAN,

The entire thing is based upon spin and cooking the numbers, in all kinds of ways, H2OMAN. One of the most glaring is Obama claiming it is deficit neutral, and he would not sign anything that added one dime to the deficit. That should be enough for every man, woman, and child in this entire country to laugh the man out of town, but incredibly his blind followers continue to think he knows what he is talking about and is honest.

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@okie,

Funny claim coming from someone who never provides evidence for what you say. General accusations mean absolutely nothing, without explaining what you mean. Please provide credible evidence for your claims?

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Here is one of the Democrat's poster children pushing their stupid health care reform, the "great" Max Baucus. Another example of the culture of corruption in the Democratic Party. Democrats used that term against the Republicans in the past, but the term really fits infinitely better for their own party, and has for a very long time. Typical of the Democrats, they ignore their own corruption and circle the wagons. They have been doing this ever since I can remember. In contrast, the Republicans turn on their own and kick them out when it becomes obvious. But not the corrupt Democrats, no way. Maybe they don't because they are almost all corrupt, so if they turn on their own, perhaps they might think they would be next, and they don't want to be next?

"The controversy over Sen. Max Baucus mixing love and politics seems to have come and gone in a matter of days, with his Senate colleagues ignoring calls for an inquiry and the Montana Democrat playing down the significance of his move to nominate his girlfriend for U.S. attorney.

But critics say the revelation of what some believe may have been a conflict of interest speaks to a "pattern" of questionable behavior."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/08/baucus-stranger-controversy/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528FOXNews.com+-+Politics%2529

http://www.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Politics/baucusfinal_monster_397x224.jpg

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@okie,

If what you say is true, why are more republican government workers charged with crimes?

Please provide evidence and facts for your claim about democrats "ignore their own corruption" compared to republicans?

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@cicerone imposter,

According to USA Today reported by AP, there have been 9 congress members charged with crimes since 2000. 7 were republicans, and 2 were democrats.

Hey, okie, you look in the mirror lately?

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I am very sorry to report that the Public Option has been shot down in flames today. After the election of November 2010, changes to the Health Bill which further drain our treasury will be made.

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Pelosi Backs Off Gov't Option

http://www.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Politics/121109_pelo_doomsday_604x341.jpg

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@MASSAGAT,

MASSAGAT wrote:

I am very sorry to report that the Public Option has been shot down in flames today.

I'm not sorry. And most people aren't. But don't count your chickens before they hatch, these people are not to be trusted, simply because we all know what their ultimate goal is, which is single payer government health care. So there will be what are known as "triggers" in any legislation they push, the devil is in the details scenario, where some policy, sometimes appearing to be benign, will at some point according to their hope act as a trigger to cause another initiative or regulatory action upon something in the medical industry, either at doctors, hospitals, or insurance companies, which will lead toward their ultimate goal. I read a newspaper editorial last night, written by the editor of the newspaper, a person that had obviously studied the legislation, and the conclusion was that it is essentially a trojan horse piece of legislation.

It would be my opinion that any legislation by this bunch of socialists should be vigorously opposed. You cannot trust a fox to design the henhouse, plain and simple. The fox will design the thing to later fit his desires, not the desires and safety of the chickens.

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I see the Dems are playing hardball and intend on ramming this crap down our throats, whether the American people want it or not. I hope they pay dearly for it this coming election.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I see the Dems are playing hardball and intend on ramming this crap down our throats, whether the American people want it or not. I hope they pay dearly for it this coming election.

More than 50% of Americans prefer the Obama administration do nothing at all.

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@okie,

okie, The USAToday poll says you're a liar and a rumor monger.

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Poll: Americans want health care bill, but not the cost
Updated 7/14/2009 8:59 AM |

By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON " Most Americans say it's important to overhaul health care this year, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, but they are less enthusiastic about some of the proposals to pay for it.

And while a majority say controlling costs should be the legislation's top goal, more than nine in 10 oppose limits on getting whatever tests or treatments they and their doctors think are necessary.

The findings underscore the difficult path ahead for the White House and Congress as the health care debate enters crunch time. President Obama, who has called for the House and Senate to pass bills before their August recess, met Monday with two key congressional chairmen to try to hammer out financing for the $1 trillion-plus legislation.

"For those naysayers and cynics who think that this is not going to happen, don't bet against us," Obama said at the White House.

One advantage for the president: A third of those surveyed say they trust him and congressional Democrats most when it comes to changing health care, compared with 10% who choose congressional Republicans. Another 45% trust doctors and hospitals the most.

The poll of 3,026 adults, surveyed Friday through Sunday, has a margin of error of +/"2 percentage points. Some questions, asked of half the sample, have an error margin of +/"3 points.

By 56%-33%, those surveyed endorse the idea of enacting major health care changes this year. Just one in four say it's not important to them.

When it comes to financing the costs, six of 10 favor the idea of requiring employers to provide health insurance for their workers or pay a fee instead. Increasing income taxes on upper-income Americans, an approach backed by House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., is endorsed by 58%. Just over half support taxing sugary soft drinks.

By 53%-43%, though, those surveyed oppose taxing health care benefits above a certain level " Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., had floated that idea " and even more are against cutting Medicare costs, a provision of House and Senate plans.

"The dilemma is that Congress is trying to solve two problems simultaneously: save money and insure more people," says Robert Blendon, a professor of health policy at Harvard. Those focused on costs are likely to have little tolerance for paying higher taxes to cover the uninsured, he says.

In the poll, 52% choose controlling costs as more important; 42% cite expanding coverage.

What has happened since July when this poll was taken is the misinformation and the failure of congress to meet the mandate by the American people to "control costs." With all the flip-flopping that has gone on between the misinformation fed by the health care insurance industry and the conservatives, not many Americans now understand what is going on in congress. Most are confused, and will not vote in favor of any health bill that allows "death panels" and increased taxation.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I see the Dems are playing hardball and intend on ramming this crap down our throats, whether the American people want it or not. I hope they pay dearly for it this coming election.

Polls show most Americans want the reforms included in the bill, but like most things, aren't sure how happy they are about paying for it.

The 2010 elections won't be as bad for the Dems as you'd like, because your bunch is going to really harm each other with the whole Tea Party purity test thing.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

The 2010 elections won't be as bad for the Dems as you'd like, because your bunch is going to really harm each other with the whole Tea Party purity test thing.

Cycloptichorn

I am hoping for a tremendous resurgence of conservatism return to the polls next election and sweep the place clean in Washington and start over. Although I think this is possible for such a groundswell to occur, I think our old nemesis will always be there, demagoguery of conservatism, racial politics, and corruption attempts by groups like ACORN, especially in the inner cities. Obama did not study community organizing for nothing, and if I can compliment him on anything, I will say he did a great job of beating Hillary by organizing his supporters ver well out on the streets and neighborhoods. And in the general, he was successful in using slogans and promoting his cultlike figure status as some kind of messiah type of politician. The reason it worked is that alot of young people are susceptible to this sort of pop culture type of politics, unfortunately. What I would like to see is a resurgence of the backbone of America, the silent majority, rise up with their common sense view of the world and turn out in droves to vote against the libs emotional pop culture-like agenda.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
The 2010 elections won't be as bad for the Dems as you'd like, because your bunch is going to really harm each other with the whole Tea Party purity test thing.

Cycloptichorn

I am hoping for a tremendous resurgence of conservatism return to the polls next election and sweep the place clean in Washington and start over. Although I think this is possible for such a groundswell to occur, I think our old nemesis will always be there, demagoguery of conservatism, racial politics, and corruption attempts by groups like ACORN, especially in the inner cities. Obama did not study community organizing for nothing, and if I can compliment him on anything, I will say he did a great job of beating Hillary by organizing his supporters ver well out on the streets and neighborhoods. And in the general, he was successful in using slogans and promoting his cultlike figure status as some kind of messiah type of politician. The reason it worked is that alot of young people are susceptible to this sort of pop culture type of politics, unfortunately. What I would like to see is a resurgence of the backbone of America, the silent majority, rise up with their common sense view of the world and turn out in droves to vote against the libs.

Well, I'm sure you would like to see that; and to a certain extent, you WILL see some of that. The Dems have expanded as far as they reasonably can at this time and WILL lose some seats in the House; however, I don't see the same thing happening in the Senate.

A large part of the success for your party will depend on the interaction between the RNC and the 'tea party' people. So far things are off to a rocky start as your groups seem determined to cause fights in several high-profile races. The RNC isn't happy about this but can't just abandon figures such as Charlie Crist in FL. If the winter and spring sees more arguments on your side about who is the 'true conservative' candidate, chances of Dem victory go up tremendously.

Cycloptichorn

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