IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

Yes, and regarding communcation, they are required as well.

Hence our discussion of "lies" and "half-truths", and the differences between those two words.

But scientists know what they mean map. Their coat-tail riders think they know what they mean but they don't know what they think they mean means. The rest of us watch with astonishment, and some gratitude at the tricks they can do.

But as far as I know they have never yet been trusted with running things. It's not what they do precisely because they can only do things that they know the meaning of and as running societies requires flying by the seat of your pants and keeping your fingers crossed it doesn't lend itself to their particular skills which, as I have allowed, are astonishing.

ci. is having himself on if he thinks a debate about UHC can be conducted in scientific language. It can only be conducted with lies, half-truths, distortions and expert management of media coverage.

The only thing ci. is any good at is telling grandmother how to suck eggs.

BTW map, Mac had the Bills so you and I are joint leaders in the NFL standings as of now.

The conservatives first charge that the democrats are cutting Medicare funding that will deny senior health care services, then this comes up in today's news:


They're riding both sides of the fence, and they're getting away with it, because most Americans don't know what the No Party is up to on health care; they want to destroy it.

How did they "force" the dems to do anything when the dems have the majority?

You're an idiot.
Quit asking stupid questions. I'm not answering them.

No wonder Max Baucus is one screwed up guy in there on the health care reform. Looks like he is a problematic character on other fronts, and this could explain why he doesn't seem to have any common sense. Maybe the Whitehouse has some dirt on him and he knows it, but perhaps the GOP can check this out anyway, and get the guy thrown out of Congress. But assume every other Democrat will circle the wagons around their own, this is standard procedure for their party. It was a corrupt party before Clinton, but the Clintonization of it will be very difficult to recover from. If people think I am down on the Democrats, they are correct, it is one pathetic organization from the top down, from Soros to ACORN, and all the rampant corruption in between.

GOP Calls for Ethics Probe of Baucus for Nominating Girlfriend for U.S. Attorney
Republicans on Saturday called on the Senate Ethics Committee to investigate the disclosure by a senior Democrat that he had recommended his girlfriend to be U.S. attorney.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/05/aide-baucus-nominated-girlfriend-fed-post/.t/

Soros and ACORN are not part of the democratic party; they are individuals and a nonprofit organization. To call them democratic shows how ignorant you are! Have you ever looked or read ACORN's bylaws?

A valid question, and yet the original statement remains true.

The dems know not how to use things like this to advance their goals.
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Its a valid question, and you cant answer it.
You didnt post a link to the article you quoted from, so nobody can read it.

You claim to want to use reason to debate and discuss, yet you immediately attack me when I asked a question.
If you had posted a link to the article in question, I would have been able to read it myself.
But you didnt.

Don't you know by now that the Dems need more than a majority to force cloture?

Politics is not one of mm's strong suits. mm also doesn't understand that the republicans in congress have become the "Destroy Obama Party Imbeciles" or DOPI.

Congress' debate on health care reform has turned into the minutia instead of the big picture that most people understand; continued double-digit cost increases while more Americans get dropped from the system.

They'd rather talk about death panels, cuts in Medicare (the GOP has taken both ends of this issue), and government control of health care.

They're staying away from cost savings, the need to address the increasing numbers of seniors as the baby-boomers retire, and the increasing cost of health care that will destroy our economy.

We are doomed; the No Party prefer the destruction of our country while they destroy Obama. Some democrats who are fighting reform and on the take from health insurance companies should be shot! They are traitors to our country.

You're 100% correct here. BOTH sides of the debate are using half-truths and distortions; this whole debate has been nothing but distortions from everyone.

map, If you're going to accuse me of "half-truths," you have to tell me why? You can't blame me for the "half truths" of congress, but you must also identify what half truths you are talking about. General accusations are meaningless.

How come you employ so many in your posts ci?

Show me where?

Heres a complete untruth you made up about me...



And when I challenged you on it, you didnt respond.
Why is that?

It starts with Obama. He started this whole thing with half truths and distortions, and still is carrying it on. One huge one is that he vowed, promised, gave a solemn oath not to sign any bill that would add one dime to the federal debt, and we all know that is utter and complete nonsense. Its not just this bill, but almost everything Obama has done and will do is adding unprecedented amounts to the debt. The man is delusional or a bald faced liar, one or the other.

The entire issue is riddled with problems at the very foundation of it. First of all, this whole thing was launched because of one huge point, that there were all these millions of people that are uninsured, but anybody with any sense would ask, who is that, and when we find out and narrow it down, it turns out that huge portions of the 45 some odd million are either not citizens at all, are already elgible for Medicaid, or could afford insurance but don't buy it. So what do the Democrats and Obama do, they forge ahead with the whole thing anyway, which makes no logical sense. If you have a problem that causes you to propose a solution, it seems we should focus on the problems for the proper solutions, so instead of fixing illegal immigrant problems, fixing Medicaid, or fixing the problem of people that can afford insurance but don't, what do they do, they instead throw the baby out with the bathwater. Lots of people are mad, mad, mad, and they are going to get madder if the Democrats ram this worthless legislation down our collective throats.

Washington has been broken for decades, why are you blaming Obama? If you want to be taken seriously you need to make more adult sounding statements.