IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

And at the same time, you cyclops cannot bring yourself to believe that human life is more sacred than that of an animal, such as a worm, a rat, or a grasshopper.

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And at the same time, you cyclops cannot bring yourself to believe that human life is more sacred than that of an animal, such as a worm, a rat, or a grasshopper.

To a worm, a worm's life is sacred.

To a rat, a rat's.

To a grasshopper, the grasshopper's life is what matters.

To you, human life is what matters.

But out of those four, only you are so damn arrogant as to declare that only you are right, and the others are wrong. The others just get on with their **** without such silliness. And you would be well served to do the same. Humans have dominion over all other animals we have encountered; but this is due to the power we have obtained, not some mystical bullshit that somehow makes us better than others.

As for health care, your mentality is the one which has lead to market crashes and spiraling prices - the notion that any and all 'government interference' kills industries and attempts at reforms and regulations are 'power grabs.' It's the same story that the Wall-street finance guys are saying about the regulations that are being proposed for the financial industry. The same story that the energy and manufacturing industries are saying, so that they don't ever have to pay for, clean up or care about their pollution and emissions. It's all based on one thing and one thing only - greed and the idea that profits should be as high as possible, at any cost. And I say, it is time that America rejected that idea and moved in a different direction.

And it appears that this is what is happening. You will no doubt mutter about how this is going to destroy the nation, and I'm sure that the words Socialism, Hitler, and whatever other nasty-sounding things you can think of will enter the conversation. But it seems to me that failure on the part of government to restrain the excesses of corporate behavior have lead to some pretty big problems that now have to be addressed, and you don't look to the group who caused those problems for the solution.

Cycloptichorn

It is also interesting to note that a baby cannot survive after being born at 9 months cannot survive either without assistance.

Wow, if this quote was not in black and white, I would never have believed anyone would ever have written it! It could be a joke, but having read your opinions for a long time now, cyclops, sadly I don't think its a joke, you are serious.

Is this a window into every liberal mind, or is this just cyclops?

This is scary to say the least. I sincerely hope that this mindset is not the approximate sample of more than one out of a million.

What I wonder, and nobody has explained it to my satisfaction, is this.

Why, if health care reform is such an emergency, will the biggest part of the bill not be implemented till 3 years AFTER it gets signed by Obama?

It is so typical of every madman in history to rail against corporate greed, and that includes the best of the best, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and all the rest of them. That is why I so disdain your comments about corporate greed.

It is nothing more than liberal leftist clap trap, thats all. And of all things, you preach from some moral high ground against greed, but you cannot stand up for the most helpless human being of life, the unborn, and you can't even say that a human has more value than a worm. Your mindset is not only spiritually bankrupt, but it is very very dangerous.

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It is so typical of every madman in history to rail against corporate greed, and that includes the best of the best, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and all the rest of them. That is why I so disdain your comments about corporate greed.

This is a false equivalence. Just because others were against corporate greed doesn't make it wrong to be against that. And, as predicted, you were unable to resist bringing Hitler into the conversation, b/c you don't seem able to have rational conversations without resorting to stuff like that.

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It is nothing more than liberal leftist clap trap, thats all. And of all things, you preach from some moral high ground against greed, but you cannot stand up for the most helpless human being of life, the unborn, and you can't even say that a human has more value than a worm. Your mindset is not only spiritually bankrupt, but it is very very dangerous.

You have no real substantive criticism, I wonder if you can even began to formulate reasoning WHY my mindset is dangerous, or even wrong.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

It is so typical of every madman in history to rail against corporate greed, and that includes the best of the best, Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and all the rest of them. That is why I so disdain your comments about corporate greed.

This is a false equivalence. Just because others were against corporate greed doesn't make it wrong to be against that. And, as predicted, you were unable to resist bringing Hitler into the conversation, b/c you don't seem able to have rational conversations without resorting to stuff like that.

You ignore the reasons why free markets work. If you don't wish to buy something, don't buy it. And if one company or business gets too greedy, there will be others that undercut and beat his price and service, and quality of product.

With government, we have no check and balance, and that is precisely why our founders feared government almost above any other entity.

Governments have historically abused people far worse than businesses, yet you don't seem to mention that. I mention Hitler because he was a portrayal of a mindset that despised business and capitalism. In fact, he connected the Jewish race to this evil of capitalism, and he thought he could eradicate this by exterminating a few million. He thought he could be more fair, more right, more utopian like. He did have a form of a leftist mindset, yes, government has the answer to cure the ills of mankind.

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It is nothing more than liberal leftist clap trap, thats all. And of all things, you preach from some moral high ground against greed, but you cannot stand up for the most helpless human being of life, the unborn, and you can't even say that a human has more value than a worm. Your mindset is not only spiritually bankrupt, but it is very very dangerous.

You have no real substantive criticism, I wonder if you can even began to formulate reasoning WHY my mindset is dangerous, or even wrong.

Cycloptichorn

Your mindset is dangerous because you marginalize human life, you do not value it, you apparently believe that power is more important than the sanctity of life. I believe such a mindset is very very dangerous, and if you do not understand why, I think you need to ask yourself a few very very serious questions and get it resolved.

Except it doesn't work that way, and you know it. Companies manipulate the markets in order to ensure that other companies can't spring up and beat their prices, and they bribe our government to keep this situation in place. Look at the hundreds of millions which private companies have spent on lobbying Congress to block reforms; it is obvious that the 'free market' isn't as free as you pretend, by a lot.

Cycloptichorn

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Except it doesn't work that way, and you know it. Companies manipulate the markets in order to ensure that other companies can't spring up and beat their prices, and they bribe our government to keep this situation in place. Look at the hundreds of millions which private companies have spent on lobbying Congress to block reforms; it is obvious that the 'free market' isn't as free as you pretend, by a lot.

Cycloptichorn

There are laws against bribery, and there are anti-trust laws, and price fixing laws. If you have the goods, bring it forward, otherwise keep your mouth shut. Companies actually produce something, at least most of them if they stay in business. The free market is free, you are free to buy nothing if you don't want to, go grow it yourself. Otherwise quit criticizing the people that produce something that people want, and quit supporting stuff that Obama comes up with that not everybody wants, you want him to ram it down our collective throats.

As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid moves forward crafting a Senate health-care bill that contains a public option -- with a state "opt out" -- the latest NBC/WSJ poll shows support for a government-run insurance plan at its highest level since the debate began.

According to the poll, 48% say they favor a public health plan administered by the federal government that would compete with private insurers, compared with 42% who oppose it. That's a shift from last month, though within the margin of error, when 48% opposed the public option and 46% supported it. And it's a 10-point swing from August, when 47% were in opposition and 43% were in favor.

In another question asked a different way -- is it important to give people a choice of a public option? -- a combined 72% answered that it was either "extremely important" or "quite important," while just 23% said it was "not that important" or "not at all important." Those numbers are virtually unchanged from last month.

Just as there is with anything run by a human being, corruption occurs, witness Enron, but some of those people are in jail, not so with the government enterprises, corruption is rampant but nobody cares, example Fannie and Freddie, and Chicago where political favors are common, including the Obamas. But nobody cares, including you. Thanks but no thanks to you and Obama's Chicago thuggery style of politics.

There are laws against bribery, and there are anti-trust laws, and price fixing laws.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi told her Democratic House Caucus last month:

"If it were up to me, we'd have single payer."

Uh, excuse me Madame Speaker -

It is up to you!

That's why Single Payer Action is focusing on the Democrats in Congress.

Because -- it is up to them.

More precisely, it's up to the House Single Payer Caucus --

The 88 members of Congress who have co-sponsored HR 676 - the single payer bill in the House.

If only half of them stood with us in opposition to Obamacare -- it would go down in flames -- as it deservedly must.

And everybody in, nobody out single payer would be national news.

In recent weeks, we have been traveling around the country calling on single payer activists -- doctors, nurses, patients, insurance consumers -- to come together to pressure the Single Payer Caucus to vote against Obamacare.

Obamacare is nothing but bailout to the insurance industry.

It will force uninsured Americans to purchase health insurance -- whether they can afford it or not - from corporations designed to rip them off.
The so-called public option is half-baked -- whether opt out, opt in, triggered, linked to Medicare rates or not -- it will be an abject failure.

It won't control costs.

It won't cover everyone.

It won't stop the wave of medical bankruptcies.
It leaves the insurance corporations in the driver's seat.
And it will probably strengthen them by taking the sickest and most expensive patients off their hands.
Activists from Vermont and Massachusetts tell us that they now regret not working to defeat similar half-baked measures for reform in their states.

Passages of those reforms did more harm than good and set back the movement for single payer in their states for years.

Let's not make the same mistake at the national level.

Call your member of Congress -- Congressional switchboard: 202.224.3121 -- and urge them to vote against Obama's bailout of the insurance industry.

Urge your member of Congress to launch a national debate on single payer, everybody in, nobody out health insurance.
(Dr. Marcia Angell -- former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine -- called single payer not only the best health care reform -- but the only health care reform that will both control costs and cover everyone.)
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