IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

@okie,

okie wrote:

The banks have treated me better than the government, which is going literally bankrupt. Social Security and Medicare is broke, period, and you guys are telling us that we need more bureaucracies to break us all. Common sense, you guys don't have it.

How is it, that you don't understand that without the 'evil government,' your banks - YOUR bank - would have failed. It would have gone bankrupt.

Without the US gov't bailing out AIG, Wells fargo, Citigroup, and Goldman all would have gone bankrupt. Heavily so. That would have dragged down hundreds of smaller banks who rely upon them.

Jesus Christ, Okie. You really have done no research at all into the last year's events. To accuse the gov't of going bankrupt, while praising the banks? Idiocy!

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Rush has nobody to blame but himself. When you make a career out of divisive invective, you have to expect that a certain amount of people will not like you. Cycloptichorn

It has been demonstrated that in this Ram issue, the quotes of Rush saying something about the value of slavery thrown out there are fictitious, they made them up. Rush has many black friends. I have listened to him off and on for years, and the man is no way a racist. He was a huge defender of Clarence Thomsas for example, and a personal friend of Clarence. It is no secret that the race baiters like Jackson are not about race, they only use it to further their socialist agenda, and they are the self appointed so-called leaders of the black community that will literally attack and destroy any black conservative.

Let's assume for a moment that Rush lives in a free society and people are free to believe what they want and free to not sell items to others if they so choose. Doesn't Rush say that is what he wants the US to be?

Rush is now whining that he doesn't like freedom when other people are free to do what they want.

You don't make much of a credible argument for freedoms if you whine when others don't do what you want and try to claim you are a victim when they act on their freedoms.

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@Rockhead,

Reports of your death have been greatly exaggerated.

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@Setanta,

I ain't dead yet. i'm just not very nice right now...

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

the more you point your elite old finger at the Dems, the less I respect your opinion.

I will survive.

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@georgeob1,

that makes me happy all the way to my little toes.

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I was thinking about health care again last night and came to the following conclusion on the public option:

If the government is going to mandate that all Americans have a health care insurance plan, then they must offer a public option which the government can set the price for to make accessible for all Americans which must provide a basic plan of coverage. With out this, a mandate would be completely stupid.

I have come around to the idea of a public option, but I still believe that govt provided health care would still be a better plan.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

I was thinking about health care again last night and came to the following conclusion on the public option:

If the government is going to mandate that all Americans have a health care insurance plan, then they must offer a public option which the government can set the price for to make accessible for all Americans which must provide a basic plan of coverage. With out this, a mandate would be completely stupid.

I have come around to the idea of a public option, but I still believe that govt provided health care would still be a better plan.

Agreed. A mandate without a public option would be the absolute worst.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

The banks have treated me better than the government, which is going literally bankrupt. Social Security and Medicare is broke, period, and you guys are telling us that we need more bureaucracies to break us all. Common sense, you guys don't have it.

The government is going bankrupt. But it must be noted that there were surpluses when Bush took office. Bush thought this indicated over taxation, and then proceeded to double the national debt.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

okie wrote:

The banks have treated me better than the government, which is going literally bankrupt. Social Security and Medicare is broke, period, and you guys are telling us that we need more bureaucracies to break us all. Common sense, you guys don't have it.

The government is going bankrupt. But it must be noted that there were surpluses when Bush took office. Bush thought this indicated over taxation, and then proceeded to double the national debt.

As on many other subjects, you must have a very special definition of budget surplus. That, or you thing Bush took office in 1969.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

Advocate wrote:

okie wrote:

The banks have treated me better than the government, which is going literally bankrupt. Social Security and Medicare is broke, period, and you guys are telling us that we need more bureaucracies to break us all. Common sense, you guys don't have it.

The government is going bankrupt. But it must be noted that there were surpluses when Bush took office. Bush thought this indicated over taxation, and then proceeded to double the national debt.

As on many other subjects, you must have a very special definition of budget surplus. That, or you thing Bush took office in 1969.

Erm. The budget surplus in FY 2000 was somewhere around 230 billion dollars.

Cycloptichorn

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

I was thinking about health care again last night and came to the following conclusion on the public option:

If the government is going to mandate that all Americans have a health care insurance plan, then they must offer a public option which the government can set the price for to make accessible for all Americans which must provide a basic plan of coverage. With out this, a mandate would be completely stupid.

I have come around to the idea of a public option, but I still believe that govt provided health care would still be a better plan.

What? The public option is the government run health care, is it not?

This debate forum is getting bizarre, I thought you were still one of the sensible ones here, McGentrix?

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@McGentrix,

You know, McGentrix, I'm just about to agree with you. If insurance is going to be mandated, and if we are to the point of telling insurance companies who they must insure, what is going to be covered, and at what rates, it might as well be government provided health care. There is just no sense in hundreds of companies each studying and interpreting new regulations, and spending their time working on compliance. Not that I'm expecting unusual competence and efficiency from the new army of govenment workers.

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@okie,

I don't think so. I'm visualizing Public Option as being the insurer of last resort, not public health care. I would expect it to be a low cost, low benefit alternative to private insurance. I admit, I'm kind of guessing.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

What? The public option is the government run health care, is it not?

This debate forum is getting bizarre, I thought you were still one of the sensible ones here, McGentrix?

No, the public option is merely another insurance plan. Does nothing to curtail health care costs at all or fix any of the myriad of issues that we have.

I am talking about govt run hospitals and clinics, tax payer funded, that directly service patients and employ doctors, nurses, etc. No insurance needed.

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@McGentrix,

Couldn't it also act as ordinary insurance, with which you pick your doctor and hospital? I kind of like the idea of a few doctors starving to death because nobody would let them treat their pet rock.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

okie wrote:

What? The public option is the government run health care, is it not?

This debate forum is getting bizarre, I thought you were still one of the sensible ones here, McGentrix?

No, the public option is merely another insurance plan. Does nothing to curtail health care costs at all or fix any of the myriad of issues that we have.

Woah there. The Public Option does curtail costs, in fact, it's an extremely strong method of doing so. It places downward price pressure on the entire industry, from hospitals to insurers. In every plan which has been studied by the CBO, public options show higher cost savings in the long run than plans which do not include them.

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I am talking about govt run hospitals and clinics, tax payer funded, that directly service patients and employ doctors, nurses, etc. No insurance needed.

British-style. It certainly would save a lot of paperwork.

Cycloptichorn

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@roger,

Not sure what you mean here. "Public option" would be a health care insurance plan available through the government. I have not bothered to read any of the details as to what it could possibly entail, as I see nothing but bureaucratic BS, red tape, lines and failure in it. It would also probably end up before the SCOTUS as it would cross state lines whereas individual insurance plans do not have that capacity now. I am sure Blue Cross would love to have have a single nation wide plan.

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@McGentrix,

I wasn't too clear. I was speaking of government health care, in the sense of insuring everyone, with all of us having the choice of which private doctor and facility to use our insurance with. Doctors would then have to compete on the basis of quality, rather being government employees. I see problems here, too, but maybe less than mandatory insurance, with a public option.

I don't see a reason in the world why public health care should or would exclude the possibility of either private payment, or private insurance to cover additional benefits. Needless to say, my opinions are not relevant to whatever Congress might cook up, late at night.

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@roger,

Those with the cash will have no problems getting whatever doctor they wish. I go to a one stop shop for my medical care. My GP is an internist but works in a place with lab/xray and all the various fields of specialists. They generally accept most insurance companies. I do not think they have the best doctors in the area, but it is adequate. Down side is it's 20 miles away from home and the local urgent care does not accept my insurance so for urgent crap I end up in ER.

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