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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 02:54 pm
From Okie's RUTHLESS DICTATORS thread.

Post # 3,731,800

Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:

And seriously, have you read Obama's books? Have you read about Saul Alinsky? Have you read about the Reverend Wright and Black Liberation Theology? Do you even know what Obama is about?


Okie is a mindless minion of the conservative movement (that caters to the money interests of big business). He spews the talking points that his puppeteers have fed to him. The above shows that he is spewing his master's (Glenn Beck's) racially divisive garbage:

GLENN BECK CALLS OBAMA A RACIST AND A COMMUNIST

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndc2LX2u98&feature=related[/youtube]

GLENN BECK SAYS OBAMA IS JUST LIKE SAUL ALINSKY

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khOPxF66lXE[/youtube]

When okie asks you if you know what Obama is about, he's trying to tell you that he's a racist, his association with Reverend Wright proves he's a racist, and he's a radical, a communist, a socialist, etc.

Okie doesn't have an original thought. He swallows and regurgitates whatever propagandist, hate-monger, fear-monger, Glenn Beck says on FOX News.


Okie. You claim to address my posts, pronto. Why haven't you addressed this one? Why do you claim that you never heard Beck say that Obama is a racist when I posted the clip for you on your Ruthless Dictators thread?
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 02:59 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Hey Debra, since you hate Beck, watch this video and chew on it for a while. But if its true, which I think it is, it aint purty, Debra, your guy Obama is a nothing more than a "community organizer" practicing Chicago thuggery politics as president.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKj8piIuH6o&feature=related[/youtube]


This just proves AGAIN that you're a disciple of Glenn Beck. Your denial is meaningless because you repeatedly regurgitate all the words that your hate and fear propaganda master feeds to you.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:19 pm
@Debra Law,
Quote:
Okie doesn't have an original thought. He swallows and regurgitates whatever propagandist, hate-monger, fear-monger, Glenn Beck says on FOX News.


But Debs--that assumes that the "propaganda, hate-mongering and fear-mongering" are not based on any facts. I'm not saying they are mind you. But if they are then they are fair game in okie's argument. Nothing need be original.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:47 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

From Okie's RUTHLESS DICTATORS thread.

Post # 3,731,800

Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:

And seriously, have you read Obama's books? Have you read about Saul Alinsky? Have you read about the Reverend Wright and Black Liberation Theology? Do you even know what Obama is about?


Okie is a mindless minion of the conservative movement (that caters to the money interests of big business). He spews the talking points that his puppeteers have fed to him. The above shows that he is spewing his master's (Glenn Beck's) racially divisive garbage:

GLENN BECK CALLS OBAMA A RACIST AND A COMMUNIST

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndc2LX2u98&feature=related[/youtube]

GLENN BECK SAYS OBAMA IS JUST LIKE SAUL ALINSKY

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khOPxF66lXE[/youtube]

When okie asks you if you know what Obama is about, he's trying to tell you that he's a racist, his association with Reverend Wright proves he's a racist, and he's a radical, a communist, a socialist, etc.

Okie doesn't have an original thought. He swallows and regurgitates whatever propagandist, hate-monger, fear-monger, Glenn Beck says on FOX News.

All of my thoughts are mine, Debra. I do listen to other opinions, such as Becks. To repeat, just because I use Beck as a reference for some information, that does not mean that I agree with every word he says. I do however agree that Obama must have some agreement with Black Liberation Theology, because that is the belief he adhered to for years. I also believe he agrees with Alinsky, because he used his philosophies as a community organizer, this is pretty well established. I don't know if you have researched these two entities, BLT, or Alinsky, but I recommend you do that, you seem to pretend as if they are totally benign and meaningless, or that Obama has no relationship to them at all.

Quote:
Okie. You claim to address my posts, pronto. Why haven't you addressed this one? Why do you claim that you never heard Beck say that Obama is a racist when I posted the clip for you on your Ruthless Dictators thread?

Why did I say I never heard Beck say that, its because I did not remember those specific words, Debra. He probably did accuse Obama of it, and I think I have to agree that Obama is highly suspect in this area, yes, and that is based upon pretty solid information. Obama would plead innocent to this, of course, but I think relationships mean something, beliefs mean something. Maybe you could try to argue that BLT has no connection to Obama, or that BLT is not racist, or that Wright is not racist. You have a right to your opinion, but let us just disagree, if that is your opinion, I think you are flat wrong, okay. I am comfortable with my opinions, and I will state them as they are. Also as Foxfyre has posted, other black conservatives also believe Wright and Obama are using racist politics. I am in good company with solid and sound opinion.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:51 pm
@okie,
Quote:
I am in good company with solid and sound opinion.


Laughing

So, because others agree with you, that makes your opinion 'solid?'

Damning by association is a low form of character assassination... I find it humorous that the best evidence you have re: Obama, is the opinions of people he associates with...

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:52 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Okie doesn't have an original thought. He swallows and regurgitates whatever propagandist, hate-monger, fear-monger, Glenn Beck says on FOX News.


But Debs--that assumes that the "propaganda, hate-mongering and fear-mongering" are not based on any facts. I'm not saying they are mind you. But if they are then they are fair game in okie's argument. Nothing need be original.

Spendius, note Debra never tries to debate BLT or Alinsky for example with any opposing information, she merely throws out accusations against Beck, with not really any detailed rebuttal, not that I have seen. Anybody that stakes their credibility or adheres to BLT or Alinsky, they are on very very shaky ground, and they are the ones that need to do the explainin, not Beck, or me. The reason Debra tries to discredit the opposition is that the opposition is starting to put a dent in their bandwagon, as it should. If her opposition was groundless with its charges, she would not be nearly so worried or animated over attacking us.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:56 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:

Hey Debra, since you hate Beck, watch this video and chew on it for a while. But if its true, which I think it is, it aint purty, Debra, your guy Obama is a nothing more than a "community organizer" practicing Chicago thuggery politics as president.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKj8piIuH6o&feature=related[/youtube]


This just proves AGAIN that you're a disciple of Glenn Beck. Your denial is meaningless because you repeatedly regurgitate all the words that your hate and fear propaganda master feeds to you.

Ha ha, very funny. I am no disciple of Beck, Beck doesn't even hold office or make any policies for this country, none. If anyone is a disciple, it is you of Obama's. After all, Obama is the messiah, so it is he that has disciples, that will all blindly follow the leader, no matter where he goes. He could bankrupt the country, which he has a good start on doing, and apparently you will blindly follow.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 04:05 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:

Hey Debra, since you hate Beck, watch this video and chew on it for a while. But if its true, which I think it is, it aint purty, Debra, your guy Obama is a nothing more than a "community organizer" practicing Chicago thuggery politics as president.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKj8piIuH6o&feature=related[/youtube]


This just proves AGAIN that you're a disciple of Glenn Beck. Your denial is meaningless because you repeatedly regurgitate all the words that your hate and fear propaganda master feeds to you.

Ha ha, very funny. I am no disciple of Beck, Beck doesn't even hold office or make any policies for this country, none. If anyone is a disciple, it is you of Obama's. After all, Obama is the messiah, so it is he that has disciples, that will all blindly follow the leader, no matter where he goes. He could bankrupt the country, which he has a good start on doing, and apparently you will blindly follow.


What difference does it make if your puppet master holds office? You're regurgitating his spurious talking points to oppose our president because your conservative talk radio/show "messiah" known as the hate- and fear-propagandist Glenn Beck opposes Obama. Beck doesn't oppose Obama because he wants to SAVE you from evil, he opposes Obama because he's paid BIG MONEY to flap his lying mouth.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 04:33 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

He could bankrupt the country, which he has a good start on doing, and apparently you will blindly follow.

I think you meant to say that he has a head start on bankrupting the country. You wouldn't pretend that things were all balanced and hunky dory before he came along, would you?
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 04:34 pm
@Debra Law,
What often happens is that commentators say what I already believe, that is mostly the case. I do not re-gurgitate what they say, I only use it if I agree with it, and if it matches up with what I know of the facts. Hopefully someday, you will actually understand this, so far not much hope of it. Conservatives believe in individualism, that is what we do, we think for ourselves, we do not follow the mindset of the masses. That is what Obama does, he claims to lead or represent the masses, not the individual. Something inherently is very wrong about Obama's philosophy, Debra. Hopefully someday you will see the light.

Freedom and liberty is not about the masses, its about us as individuals. Maybe you just never learned what America was about?
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 04:38 pm
@okie,
Speaking of what America is about, have you ever heard the phrase, "majority rule, minority rights"?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 04:49 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Conservatives believe in individualism, that is what we do, we think for ourselves, we do not follow the mindset of the masses.


Yup, just a big ol' Team of Mavericks, the Conservative faction. Each boldly and individually marching in lockstep.

Okie, I see Republican commentators on the web and TV say stupid ****, and then predictably you and others come on A2K and start repeating it a day or two later. It's a little sad that you don't realize this fact.

Cycloptichorn
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 05:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Are you a feral Cyclo and have worked it all out for yourself from first principles out of your basic hereditary capacities?
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 05:16 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Yup, just a big ol' Team of Mavericks, the Conservative faction. Each boldly and individually marching in lockstep.


I do that Cyclo. I'm into Mom, apple pie, cheap beer, football and cricket and ladies underclothes being tossed aside in abandoned delerious throbbings.

Does that make me a rabid liberal?
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 07:24 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Speaking of what America is about, have you ever heard the phrase, "majority rule, minority rights"?

I prefer individual rights. I consider myself an individual, not part of a minority or a majority.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 07:26 pm
@okie,
okie, Where does your individual right begin and end? Since you don't believe you belong in the majority, you don't consider yourself an American?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 03:34 am
The attacks in the USA against our European kind of healthcare systems are, of course, reported, commented, featured in our media - with more than just surprise.

Especially in Britain, where by now nearly any paper from the right to to the more left wrote about it.

It's the cover story in today's Guardian's G2-section:

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 03:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,

http://i28.tinypic.com/2u89vfd.jpg

Online, the report can be found >here<


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 03:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,

Basically, it's quite similar here in Germany, as I can tell since I've been in the accident surgical ward visiting my mother over a period of nine weeks (broken hip, hip replacement, two additional operations, since she ... could remember what had happened to her).
The difference, however, is that we usually just have one, two or -rarely- three bed rooms in our hospitals, no agency nurses and pay for our mandatory health insurance (together with long term care insurance) or private insurances.

And, in serious case, not only an ambulance is send to the patient but an emergency doctor as well (mother's last transports to hospital were all accompanied by an emergency doctor due to various reasons).
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 07:13 am
Little Israel feels it is much more advanced, vis-a-vis health care, than is the mighty USA.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1249418640226&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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