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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Maybe Karl Rove might be in the same league.

Karl Rove is a nice guy, actually, just astute politically, but not ruthless at all. Not comparable to emanuel at all. And Cheney also a good guy.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That's what I have been telling you all along ci. Your universal ignorance, in which you must participate for logical coherence, relates to the "how". You are arguing about the "why" like people who are arguing about whether to cross the river who have no way of crossing it.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:51 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

I thought it made kicky rather difficult to assess actually ci. It is hard to say whether he is scared of okie or one of his backers. That about Mr Obama wanting to rape your parents is a bit far fetched I should think. I suspect irony.

Your suspicions on irony are probably very justified, lots of irony. kicky has never made much sense on much of anything.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 05:39 pm
@okie,
Actually, kicky makes a whole lot more sense than you ever did, okie. This is proven by all the challenges you have had over the years by almost everybody not associated by the extreme right, MACs, or conservatives.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 06:56 pm
@kickycan,
Your description of Obama is a slight exageration, dont you think?

After all...
Quote:
According to this douche bag, Obama eats babies, hates white people, wants to rape your parents, and is running a terrorist ring with other muslims just like him.


Now, can you actually support and back up these statements with some of Okies actual statements?
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 07:10 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Karl Rove is a nice guy, actually, just astute politically, but not ruthless at all. Not comparable to emanuel at all. And Cheney also a good guy.


but all the people you mention are politicians, regardless of political affiliation, the fact that they are politicians labels them unconscionable scumbag pricks

roger
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 07:11 pm
@djjd62,
Well, enough that the rest are under suspicion.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 07:20 pm
@djjd62,
okie claims Karl Rove is astute in politics; that's the reason why GWBush came out of the white house with one of the lowest approval ratings of any president.

Astute? ROFL
okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 08:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The reason Bush's approval ratings were down is because the main stream press spun everything against him for many years, and not many politicians can survive that kind of press. If they applied the same treatment to Obama, his approval ratings would be 40% or less already, and they are already down alot anyway, close to 50%.
okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 08:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Actually, kicky makes a whole lot more sense than you ever did, okie. This is proven by all the challenges you have had over the years by almost everybody not associated by the extreme right, MACs, or conservatives.

Liberals challenge every conservative on this forum, ci. It comes with the territory, but I base my opinions on what I believe, not what liberals believe, and I thought thats what a debate forum was for, to challenge each other. I can handle that. What I do not care for are below the belt comments, that comes from people with not much character, so their opinions mean even less as far as I am concerned. We should all be decent, regardless of our political beliefs.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 08:57 pm
@okie,
It wasn't the press; it was Bush who took the actions that the press reported. Show us any article where the press lied about Bush?

Obama's rating "down alot - close to 50%" shows you don't understand presidential history. That's still one of the highest ratings for any contemporary president.

Your "down alot" isn't really down alot; his rating is still tops based on history.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 08:59 pm
@okie,
What "you believe" have been way off the mark in consistency, outside resource, and common sense. These issues have been brought forward against your opinions that you conveniently ignore.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 09:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This thread is about health care, but even with all the favorable press for Obama, his ratings I think are about the same as Bush's this far into his presidency. Obama's ratings for how far he is into his term is not outstanding at all. I don't feel like looking it up, but that is my recollection of it.

When you discuss the press lying, I don't feel like going off on that tangent, a long ways, but it is pretty obvious the press can merely insinuate and concentrate on certain stories, use language that implies various things, and they can report without informing of the proper context.

Hurricane Katrina I think was a good example, it was the Louisiana governor and mayor of New Orleans that were 95% to blame, but the spin did not report all of that. Anybody with common sense however could figure out who was responsible for what. In the first place, FEMA is not responsible for evacuating New Orleans, they are responsible for fixing things after disasters occur, I could go on about that, but it was actually Bush that finally called the governor, even though it was not his responsibility, and told her to evacuate the city. She was too stupid to know what to do.

There are many many examples, ci, but what it boils down to is opinion on how all the issues played out and who did what and how. Admit that you don't like Bush, the press despised him, but I liked him okay, although I do not at all agree with some of his policies. In contrast, you must like Obama, I do not, I think he is a fraud and a cheap Chicago policitian with no experience, none. So you will defend him, the press defends him, I look for things he has screwed up and is screwing up, and there are plenty, most of which is not adequately reported, but if it was, his approval ratings would tank completely. I find it encouraging that they are quite a bit anyway, without the main press reporting the sleeze. Thanks to conservative pundits that at least provide some balance, otherwise the country would be lost.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 10:39 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Your description of Obama is a slight exageration, dont you think?

After all...
Quote:
According to this douche bag, Obama eats babies, hates white people, wants to rape your parents, and is running a terrorist ring with other muslims just like him.


Now, can you actually support and back up these statements with some of Okies actual statements?


Pay attention, mm:

Quote:
This is the Wikipedia description of the subject:



Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hye-PER-bə-lee, from ancient Greek "??'περβολή", meaning excess or exaggeration) is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is rarely meant to be taken literally.



Hyperbole is used to create emphasis. It is a literary device often used in poetry, and is frequently encountered in casual speech. It is also a visual technique in which a deliberate exaggeration of a particular part of an image is employed. An example is the exaggeration of a person’s facial feature in a political cartoon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole



Obviously, if say that someone eats babies, you are describing that person as a truly immoral, degenerate person. If you encounter the comment about President Obama, don't take it literally.



Interestingly, hyperbole can also be used to deflect criticism. For example, if I were to go overboard describing someone’s flaws, you could respond that they eat babies also, which would be a comment not on the subject that I was discussing, but on my rhetorical excesses.



There is a long and sad history behind the accusation of eating babies:



The claim that eating babies or fetuses is a common and accepted practice in China (or Thailand, Japan, Korea, or Israel, etc.) is essentially a modern version of an ancient form of prejudice known as "blood libel" " one group accusing another of murdering infants during the course of ritual sacrifices. According to the Greeks, the Jews did it; according to the Romans, the Christians did it; according to the Christians, it really was the Jews who did it; and so on since time immemorial.



Sociologists say the driving forces behind such bigotry are ignorance, xenophobia (fear of "the other"), and psychological projection (attributing perceived moral failings of one’s own group to others). As an example of the latter, it has been speculated that the spread of horror stories in the West about the supposed use of unborn babies as food in Asia may be fueled by qualms about social practices closer to home " practices such as abortion, for example, and the so-called "cannibalization" of fetal tissue for scientific research. urbanlegends.about.com/od/horrors/a/eating_babies.htm


Source



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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 10:48 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Thanks to conservative pundits that at least provide some balance, otherwise the country would be lost.


You're an ardent disciple of Glenn Beck. You parrot everything he says in your posts. Glenn Beck says Barack Obama is a racist. Your conservative pundit idol is an UNbalanced sleezebag who prostitutes his lying mouth for money.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 10:49 pm
@okie,
okie Your recollection on most things are faulty. If you don't have a definite recollection on anything, it's just a matter of doing a simple Google search.

If you take that simple step before you post, you'll gain more credibility on these threads.

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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 11:03 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:
Thanks to conservative pundits that at least provide some balance, otherwise the country would be lost.


You're an ardent disciple of Glenn Beck. You parrot everything he says in your posts. Glenn Beck says Barack Obama is a racist. Your conservative pundit idol is an UNbalanced sleezebag who prostitutes his lying mouth for money.

Debra, you totally misunderstand me. I am no disciple of Glen Beck. I do listen or watch Beck occasionally, not all the time. I usually agree with him, not always, but he has good stuff most of the time. You say Beck claims Obama is a racist, I have never heard him say so, so I don't know the context, but this I do know, as you should know, that Obama was a convert of and member of a church for many years, which was pastored by Jeremiah Wright, and this church's entire foundational belief was on something called Black Liberation Theology, which I do think is definitely racist doctrine. Look, I don't know everything about Obama, all I can do is judge him by what he has done, and that is a pretty big indicator of his religion and politics. Additionally, Wright railed against whites and Jews, and so forth, so what conclusion are we to draw from that?

So as usual, I dispelled your accusations pronto, using indisputable facts, no problem, it gets tiring to have to do that, Debra.
okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 11:27 pm
@okie,
Hey Debra, since you hate Beck, watch this video and chew on it for a while. But if its true, which I think it is, it aint purty, Debra, your guy Obama is a nothing more than a "community organizer" practicing Chicago thuggery politics as president.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 02:34 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:
Thanks to conservative pundits that at least provide some balance, otherwise the country would be lost.


You're an ardent disciple of Glenn Beck. You parrot everything he says in your posts. Glenn Beck says Barack Obama is a racist. Your conservative pundit idol is an UNbalanced sleezebag who prostitutes his lying mouth for money.

Debra, you totally misunderstand me. I am no disciple of Glen Beck. I do listen or watch Beck occasionally, not all the time. I usually agree with him, not always, but he has good stuff most of the time. You say Beck claims Obama is a racist, I have never heard him say so, so I don't know the context, but this I do know, as you should know, that Obama was a convert of and member of a church for many years, which was pastored by Jeremiah Wright, and this church's entire foundational belief was on something called Black Liberation Theology, which I do think is definitely racist doctrine. Look, I don't know everything about Obama, all I can do is judge him by what he has done, and that is a pretty big indicator of his religion and politics. Additionally, Wright railed against whites and Jews, and so forth, so what conclusion are we to draw from that?

So as usual, I dispelled your accusations pronto, using indisputable facts, no problem, it gets tiring to have to do that, Debra.


I have addressed your past rantings and posted youtube clips of Glenn Beck to establish that you're repeating his racist diatribes. I posted the specific clip where he calls Obama a racist. If you usually address my posts "pronto," then your allegation that you never heard Beck call Obama a racist is a lie.

You have paid tribute to him as a "conservative pundit" who has rescued this country from the evil leftists with his alleged "balanced" views. Your attempt to now distance yourself from Glenn Beck is wholly unconvincing. And again, you're parroting Glenn Beck and you're calling Obama a racist.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 02:41 pm
@Debra Law,
Post # 3,731,806

Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:

To better understand what Obama is doing with his policies, including the health care push, read Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, which were used by Community Organizers, so Obama is well schooled there I think. He is using all of them, but pay attention to Numbers 10 and 12.....



GLENN BECK says that Obama Is Just Like Saul Alinsky

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khOPxF66lXE[/youtube]

Okie: You're swallowing and regurgitating Glenn Beck, as usual. You're one of those people on the lunatic fringe who have so much empty space in their heads that they fill it by watching FOX 24/7. You worship the worst person in the world. He profits from your frothing appetite for his hate-mongering kool-ade.

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