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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 01:55 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Incidentally, my doctor is not pro-testing. He will send me for a test if I demand it, but he is noted for natural healing, although he is an MD, he plays things conservatively, he sees too many cases of too pro-active medical treatments and tests as backfiring. I trust his judgement, and I agree with his philosophy, so I think testing is overrated. I believe the bulk of prevention can be done personally with wise lifestyle. I do not wish to borrow trouble by testing, not when I feel good, I exercise, and I don't have any symptoms.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:16 pm
@roger,
Preventive care includes sticking an extra 3 dollars on a pack of cigarettes and a dollar on a can of beer. Both profitable.

It could include stopping guys like farmerman setting out into Atlantic in a frail craft on what Mr Melville might have called The Sore Pussyfoot Run. That would save all those coastal rescue services being manned 24 hours a day. King Philip didn't supply The Armada with that.

Still--it keeps us entertained.

There are rumours afloat here that a new and large study is on the stocks, to be released later this year, that the preventive aspects of organic food and health consciousness generally have been found to be a cause of ill-health. The myth of Narcissus is not in our tradition for nothing.

Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:19 pm
@okie,
Seems, you really define 'prevention' in the USA differently then we do in Europe.

We've got doctors who are specialists in preventive medicine (it's taught at universities as well). We've got preventive ambulant as well as stationary centers for preventive medicine.

That has only very little to do with tests - tests may be the reason, though, that you get some prescription re preventive medicine ("courses" of any kind with educate physically and/psychical to prevent getting [more] ill).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:20 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

There are rumours afloat here that a new and large study is on the stocks, to be released later this year, that the preventive aspects of organic food and health consciousness generally have been found to be a cause of ill-health. The myth of Narcissus is not in our tradition for nothing.




We've got a study published that organic food is as healthy as any other. But that was already commonly known.
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okie
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:22 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:

The whitehouse snitch site has solicited emails to identify and provide information on people that are communicating opposition to their health plan, claiming it is disinformation. This activity may in fact be against the law. I need to read some more about that possibility.

Of course opponents claim, and I believe rightly so, that much of what they are saying is accurate, certainly more accurate than what the administration is putting out on their plan. The administration is the main entity engaged in disinformation. You have already admitted Obama has lied to you. Obama lies on a regular basis, he misinforms, and mischaracterizes what his proposed plan will do.

If you want some good information, forget whitehouse.gov and go to the Heritage Foundation website.


Okie: You're a f'ing LIAR. I have been the recipient of many mass emails containing outrageous lies about healthcare reforms and the alleged contents of HR3200. These emails do not contain one grain of truth. They are designed to misinform and frighten. You don't have a right to spread lies and then throw a tantrum because your lies are being debunked.

Debra, your post is ample proof of how credible you are. You have virtually none. Do you realize who you are supporting? Example, the chief advisor of Obama got his nickname "deadfish" from this incident as follows, this is the type of mentality you are supporting. I hope you can sleep at night, I don't see how you can. I want no part of the ilk that inhabits the whitehouse, and I want no part of their policies, none, only what I am forced to take, but I will work to convince anyone to vote these jokers out of office as soon as possible.

"At a dinner to celebrate President Clinton's first election victory, Mr Emanuel began to name those who he believed had earned his enmity. As he listed the names of those he saw as traitors, he grabbed a steak knife, stood up and began plunging the knife into the table and shouting "Dead! Dead! Dead!" after each name.

"When he was done, the table looked like a lunar landscape," one witness recalled. "It was like something out of The Godfather. But that's Rahm for you."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/profiles/3392848/Profile-Rahm-Emanuel-Barack-Obamas-new-enforcer.html

And Emanuel has a database now of his opponents? How scary is that? These are not trustworthy people, no way.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:31 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
. . . my doctor is not pro-testing. He will send me for a test if I demand it, but he is noted for natural healing . . . I do not wish to borrow trouble by testing, not when I feel good, I exercise, and I don't have any symptoms.


By the time you have symptoms, it is often too late for effective treatment.

My father's HMO doctor wasn't pro-testing either. The HMO clinic was paid the same by the HMO insurance plan for my dad's yearly physical regardless of whether they gave him a thorough exam or a cursory exam. So why do a thorough one?

My father's HMO doctor gave my father a cursory physical in March 1999 and gave him a "clean bill of health." In July 1999, my father was overly-tired, sleeping a lot, and lost his appetite. But he couldn't get an appointment right away to see his HMO doctor. He couldn't get any help for his symptoms until my step-mother wheeled him into the emergency room in August 1999. He was dead the first of September 1999. If his HMO had given him a thorough physical with a complete panel of standard tests back in March of that year, they could have caught his cancer while it was still treatable. When I complained to the HMO provider about the ineffectiveness of the yearly physical that they gave my dad, the HMO director told me that they didn't give him a full panel of standard tests because it wasn't "medically indicated" that he needed a full panel of standard tests. How absurd is that?

I hope you're happy with your doctor, okie. By withholding standard diagnostic testing to save you and/or your health insurance company money, by the time you experience symptoms of a serious illness, it might be too late for you too. After all, you don't want to "borrow trouble" by testing.
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The latest about a White House enemies list is a real scream. It is right in line with death panels, ACORN, etc. Huffington says that it is going to backfire on the right. Hope so!
Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:38 pm
Don't be questioning my credibility when you're the one claiming the government wants to create death panels and stab you to death with a steak knife.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:39 pm
@Debra Law,
I get a full annual physical exam by my doctor every year, and she makes sure to see me more often if there are health concerns that she wants to follow up on. She even asks me to write her if something is working or not working if she prescribes new meds, and if not, she will find another option for me to follow.

She detected my enlarged prostate from my annual exam, and that was followed by seeing a urologist followed by the oncologist and my radiation therapy.

I've had a persistent cough for five months now, and have seen my doctor about this problem. She prescribed a med for it, but it made me feel ill, so I stopped taking it, and I notified my doctor this morning by email. She already responded, and instructed me to stop one of my prescription meds to see if that helps. I feel that my communication with my doctor is extremely important for my health care, so it's a two-way street whether patients contact their doctors when they think something is wrong.

That's the way I handle my "preventive care."
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 02:46 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

The latest about a White House enemies list is a real scream. It is right in line with death panels, ACORN, etc. Huffington says that it is going to backfire on the right. Hope so!


The newly-created Language of the GOP and Insurance Industry designed to scare the brainless extremists into carrying their water:

Informing people of their right to make healthcare decisions for themselves via a living will = Creating Death Panel

Debunking the right wing extremist's campaign of lies and misinformation about health care reform = Creating Enemies List
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 03:27 pm
@okie,
Quote:
"At a dinner to celebrate President Clinton's first election victory, Mr Emanuel began to name those who he believed had earned his enmity. As he listed the names of those he saw as traitors, he grabbed a steak knife, stood up and began plunging the knife into the table and shouting "Dead! Dead! Dead!" after each name.

"When he was done, the table looked like a lunar landscape," one witness recalled. "It was like something out of The Godfather. But that's Rahm for you."


Sounds reminiscent of our minister who raged the NHS into existence in the face of the wailing. He probably meant "politically" dead. Not morgue dead. Hyperbole.
kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 03:29 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:

The whitehouse snitch site has solicited emails to identify and provide information on people that are communicating opposition to their health plan, claiming it is disinformation. This activity may in fact be against the law. I need to read some more about that possibility.

Of course opponents claim, and I believe rightly so, that much of what they are saying is accurate, certainly more accurate than what the administration is putting out on their plan. The administration is the main entity engaged in disinformation. You have already admitted Obama has lied to you. Obama lies on a regular basis, he misinforms, and mischaracterizes what his proposed plan will do.

If you want some good information, forget whitehouse.gov and go to the Heritage Foundation website.


Okie: You're a f'ing LIAR. I have been the recipient of many mass emails containing outrageous lies about healthcare reforms and the alleged contents of HR3200. These emails do not contain one grain of truth. They are designed to misinform and frighten. You don't have a right to spread lies and then throw a tantrum because your lies are being debunked.

Debra, your post is ample proof of how credible you are. You have virtually none. Do you realize who you are supporting? Example, the chief advisor of Obama got his nickname "deadfish" from this incident as follows, this is the type of mentality you are supporting. I hope you can sleep at night, I don't see how you can. I want no part of the ilk that inhabits the whitehouse, and I want no part of their policies, none, only what I am forced to take, but I will work to convince anyone to vote these jokers out of office as soon as possible.

"At a dinner to celebrate President Clinton's first election victory, Mr Emanuel began to name those who he believed had earned his enmity. As he listed the names of those he saw as traitors, he grabbed a steak knife, stood up and began plunging the knife into the table and shouting "Dead! Dead! Dead!" after each name.

"When he was done, the table looked like a lunar landscape," one witness recalled. "It was like something out of The Godfather. But that's Rahm for you."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/profiles/3392848/Profile-Rahm-Emanuel-Barack-Obamas-new-enforcer.html

And Emanuel has a database now of his opponents? How scary is that? These are not trustworthy people, no way.



This is a public service to any new members here who might have read this post.

Don't listen to this okie guy. He's a complete moron. He knows NOTHING. He will believe ANYTHING about President Obama, as long as it's bad. According to this douche bag, Obama eats babies, hates white people, wants to rape your parents, and is running a terrorist ring with other muslims just like him. He's an idiotic paranoid dick, and you should put him on ignore immediately.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 03:30 pm
Hey-- you can tell who the anti-UHC faction like debating with best and who the least.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:08 pm
@Debra Law,
Sorry about your father. How old was he?

In regard to my own health, it is a conscious decision I am taking. Also, I realize I won't live forever, so I am not going to plan on living forever by endless testing anyway. We all take gambles with our health, we win some, we lose some, I could mis-calculate by not having a test, but no plan of testing is perfect, there will always be exceptions and things that fall through the cracks. All that being said, I will not blame my doctor. One thing for sure, I won't kill myself with smoking or drinking, so that increases my odds somewhat.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:13 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
"At a dinner to celebrate President Clinton's first election victory, Mr Emanuel began to name those who he believed had earned his enmity. As he listed the names of those he saw as traitors, he grabbed a steak knife, stood up and began plunging the knife into the table and shouting "Dead! Dead! Dead!" after each name.

"When he was done, the table looked like a lunar landscape," one witness recalled. "It was like something out of The Godfather. But that's Rahm for you."


Sounds reminiscent of our minister who raged the NHS into existence in the face of the wailing. He probably meant "politically" dead. Not morgue dead. Hyperbole.

Sort of weird hyperbole, in my opinion, Spendius. Emanuel is not a nice guy, no way, he is known as one of the most ruthless politicians to come onto the political scene in Washington in a long time. This is no coincidence that Obama chose this guy to run the show.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:20 pm
@kickycan,
kicky, That's about the best description I've heard about okie from any a2ker. Thank you a million times - or should that be "billions." LOL
Debra Law
 
  2  
Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:43 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Emanuel is not a nice guy, no way, he is known as one of the most ruthless politicians to come onto the political scene in Washington in a long time.


That label belongs to Dick Cheney.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:44 pm
@Debra Law,
Maybe Karl Rove might be in the same league.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I thought it made kicky rather difficult to assess actually ci. It is hard to say whether he is scared of okie or one of his backers. That about Mr Obama wanting to rape your parents is a bit far fetched I should think. I suspect irony.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 04:47 pm
How is it possible to get universal health care when the citizens suffer from universal ignorance?
 

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